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Go and get Jimmer Fredette. Has a career .381 3 pt percentage.

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:Are we in favor of attaching the new first round pick to Aldrich's deal to open up a good 10 million so the team can buy some shooting?

I'm not. Just sign whoever is left. That pick is a nice value for a team that now will need to be looking for young cheap players to develop.

monsterpile wrote:

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:Are we in favor of attaching the new first round pick to Aldrich's deal to open up a good 10 million so the team can buy some shooting?

I'm not. Just sign whoever is left. That pick is a nice value for a team that now will need to be looking for young cheap players to develop.

Reluctantly, I'm with you Monster. I really hate to go into a draft without a 1st round draft pick. But beyond our concern over the lack of 3-point shooting, I'm more concerned about the lack of any rotation wing player who can backfill behind Wiggins or Butler. They shouldn't play more than 35 minutes. So who's going to play the remaining cumulative 26 minutes per game at those two positions? And who's going to fill in for any stretch of games when one or the other is out with an injury. Wiggins has been highly durable, but Butler has missed an average of about 15 games per season with various nagging injuries -- not surprising given how hard he plays. And even with Wiggins anything can happen. We're incredibly vulnerable right now to a HUGE drop off when Wiggins and Butler aren't both in the game.

lipoli390 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:Are we in favor of attaching the new first round pick to Aldrich's deal to open up a good 10 million so the team can buy some shooting?

I'm not. Just sign whoever is left. That pick is a nice value for a team that now will need to be looking for young cheap players to develop.

Reluctantly, I'm with you Monster. I really hate to go into a draft without a 1st round draft pick. But beyond our concern over the lack of 3-point shooting, I'm more concerned about the lack of any rotation wing player who can backfill behind Wiggins or Butler. They shouldn't play more than 35 minutes. So who's going to play the remaining cumulative 26 minutes per game at those two positions? And who's going to fill in for any stretch of games when one or the other is out with an injury. Wiggins has been highly durable, but Butler has missed an average of about 15 games per season with various nagging injuries -- not surprising given how hard he plays. And even with Wiggins anything can happen. We're incredibly vulnerable right now to a HUGE drop off when Wiggins and Butler aren't both in the game.

Lip, I know you like keeping future first round picks, but given what you've just said about us being so thin behind Wiggins and Butler, would you still not consider including that pick with Aldrich to open cap space for a more established player, or maybe in a sign and trade with an RFA?

SameOldNudityDrew wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:Are we in favor of attaching the new first round pick to Aldrich's deal to open up a good 10 million so the team can buy some shooting?

I'm not. Just sign whoever is left. That pick is a nice value for a team that now will need to be looking for young cheap players to develop.

Reluctantly, I'm with you Monster. I really hate to go into a draft without a 1st round draft pick. But beyond our concern over the lack of 3-point shooting, I'm more concerned about the lack of any rotation wing player who can backfill behind Wiggins or Butler. They shouldn't play more than 35 minutes. So who's going to play the remaining cumulative 26 minutes per game at those two positions? And who's going to fill in for any stretch of games when one or the other is out with an injury. Wiggins has been highly durable, but Butler has missed an average of about 15 games per season with various nagging injuries -- not surprising given how hard he plays. And even with Wiggins anything can happen. We're incredibly vulnerable right now to a HUGE drop off when Wiggins and Butler aren't both in the game.

Lip, I know you like keeping future first round picks, but given what you've just said about us being so thin behind Wiggins and Butler, would you still not consider including that pick with Aldrich to open cap space for a more established player, or maybe in a sign and trade with an RFA?

Drew -- I would definitely consider it, depending on who I'd be able to get with the cap space I get from the transaction. I'd like to first see whether we can sign Afflalo for the $4.3 million room exception. Then I'd look at signing D-League players, Dunleavy and possibly McLemore using the minimum salary exception.

SameOldNudityDrew wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:Are we in favor of attaching the new first round pick to Aldrich's deal to open up a good 10 million so the team can buy some shooting?

I'm not. Just sign whoever is left. That pick is a nice value for a team that now will need to be looking for young cheap players to develop.

Reluctantly, I'm with you Monster. I really hate to go into a draft without a 1st round draft pick. But beyond our concern over the lack of 3-point shooting, I'm more concerned about the lack of any rotation wing player who can backfill behind Wiggins or Butler. They shouldn't play more than 35 minutes. So who's going to play the remaining cumulative 26 minutes per game at those two positions? And who's going to fill in for any stretch of games when one or the other is out with an injury. Wiggins has been highly durable, but Butler has missed an average of about 15 games per season with various nagging injuries -- not surprising given how hard he plays. And even with Wiggins anything can happen. We're incredibly vulnerable right now to a HUGE drop off when Wiggins and Butler aren't both in the game.

Lip, I know you like keeping future first round picks, but given what you've just said about us being so thin behind Wiggins and Butler, would you still not consider including that pick with Aldrich to open cap space for a more established player, or maybe in a sign and trade with an RFA?

This team is going to have a continual need to reload around KAT, Buckets, and Wig going forward. They're always going to be tight up against the cap or very close to it so having younger players grow into reserve roles will be vital. Unless they believe they're all in on winning it all in the next two seasons I think it would be foolish. On the other hand I guess if they do trade the pick to clear space and the result is a team that truly competes with, and shows itself to be close to beating the Warriors then vets will be begging to sign, or something.

TheSP wrote:

SameOldNudityDrew wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:Are we in favor of attaching the new first round pick to Aldrich's deal to open up a good 10 million so the team can buy some shooting?

I'm not. Just sign whoever is left. That pick is a nice value for a team that now will need to be looking for young cheap players to develop.

Reluctantly, I'm with you Monster. I really hate to go into a draft without a 1st round draft pick. But beyond our concern over the lack of 3-point shooting, I'm more concerned about the lack of any rotation wing player who can backfill behind Wiggins or Butler. They shouldn't play more than 35 minutes. So who's going to play the remaining cumulative 26 minutes per game at those two positions? And who's going to fill in for any stretch of games when one or the other is out with an injury. Wiggins has been highly durable, but Butler has missed an average of about 15 games per season with various nagging injuries -- not surprising given how hard he plays. And even with Wiggins anything can happen. We're incredibly vulnerable right now to a HUGE drop off when Wiggins and Butler aren't both in the game.

Lip, I know you like keeping future first round picks, but given what you've just said about us being so thin behind Wiggins and Butler, would you still not consider including that pick with Aldrich to open cap space for a more established player, or maybe in a sign and trade with an RFA?

This team is going to have a continual need to reload around KAT, Buckets, and Wig going forward. They're always going to be tight up against the cap or very close to it so having younger players grow into reserve roles will be vital. Unless they believe they're all in on winning it all in the next two seasons I think it would be foolish. On the other hand I guess if they do trade the pick to clear space and the result is a team that truly competes with, and shows itself to be close to beating the Warriors then vets will be begging to sign, or something.

You're right SP. There are a couple ways to look at this. Hard to know in the abstract. What the Wolves should do with the pick really depens as we all know on the particular players involved -- i.e., who we would get by giving up the pick.

Why is the pick such a big deal now? I remember more then half of you on here saying the pick was worthless when the ricky trade went down?

I have serious doubts that the player we could sign with $ from dumping Aldrich would be a player most people here would support giving up a lottery protected pick in a trade for another team. That's basically what that deal would be.

Now is where Thibs and Layden get to show they are among the top franchises targeting and finding cheap useful players that can help the team. We have heard next to nothing about the Wolves and interest in wing except Dunlevey and I saw somewhere there was a tweet about them being interested in Justin Holiday. I think Thibs has some guys at those spots he can get for not a whole lot of money. It wouldn't shock me.

Squishypoo wrote:Why is the pick such a big deal now? I remember more then half of you on here saying the pick was worthless when the ricky trade went down?

I don't remember anyone here saying the pick was worthless. It's probably going to be a pretty low pick -- in the 25-28 range. But Butler was taken at #30, Tony Parker at #29 and Rudy Gobert at #26 or 27 if I recall. Then there are players like Draymond Green and Paul Millsap who were taken in the upper quadrant of the 2nd round. So I see significant value in the pick from OKC. It has a little more value to us than it otherwise would given the fact that we likely won't have our own first round pick because of the Payne trade. We don't have our own 2nd round pick next year either.