With the Vikings demise the Wolves HAVE to make the playoffs

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

Giving up a single draft choice in the 2nd - 4th range seems like an awfully small price to pay to solidify the position this year and provide insurance going forward.

I would agree. I think it all comes down to trusting our scouts to get the right guy.

That's a lot of faith in a guy that isn't starting right now to help save the season without having gone through training camp camp AND then be a possible solution for next year and that guy is a backup for another team. For example Glennon is a FA next year so he may not even stuck around if he might be needed. I think this is another odd example of how people easily fall in love with backups. If the Vikings get lucky and get the right guy that's great. It could happen but I'll temper my expectations.

Let's also keep in mind Speilman is pretty prepared I'm sure he has a list of guys he would be interested in if the worst case scenarios happen. That's his job. Every GM should have guys scouted to some extent in case they need to make a move.

Ya, making the superbowl with a recycled backup QB from another team who gets no training camp or preseason to learn the offense and work with the team is a huge long shot. Hill is probably a better option just for the fact we can use the full playbook and not a really small portion of it. I'm not a fan of Hill, but the claims that certain guys will just come in here and keep us a super bowl contender are very naive.

[Coolbreeze44]

<cough> Curt Warner <cough>

[TAFKASP]

<cough> Curt Warner <cough>

So what are the Arena league QB stats? Or better yet the LFL?

[Monster]

Giving up a single draft choice in the 2nd - 4th range seems like an awfully small price to pay to solidify the position this year and provide insurance going forward.

I would agree. I think it all comes down to trusting our scouts to get the right guy.

That's a lot of faith in a guy that isn't starting right now to help save the season without having gone through training camp camp AND then be a possible solution for next year and that guy is a backup for another team. For example Glennon is a FA next year so he may not even stuck around if he might be needed. I think this is another odd example of how people easily fall in love with backups. If the Vikings get lucky and get the right guy that's great. It could happen but I'll temper my expectations.

Let's also keep in mind Speilman is pretty prepared I'm sure he has a list of guys he would be interested in if the worst case scenarios happen. That's his job. Every GM should have guys scouted to some extent in case they need to make a move.

Ya, making the superbowl with a recycled backup QB from another team who gets no training camp or preseason to learn the offense and work with the team is a huge long shot. Hill is probably a better option just for the fact we can use the full playbook and not a really small portion of it. I'm not a fan of Hill, but the claims that certain guys will just come in here and keep us a super bowl contender are very naive.

In addition thinking that the guy you give up that worthwhile draft pick is going to be significantly better than some other experienced former starter/backup is going to far. Paying a 2-4th round pick for a backup QB is sorta like paying a premium for a guy that's a 2-3 starter in baseball and then they end up being barely better than some career minor leaguer that you end up having to call up because your rotation blows. It wasn't that long ago these guys were touted as possible long term solutions to the Vikings QB situation by various folks both fans and pundits.

Ryan Mallet. One guy I remember saying he was by far the most talent backup in the league. Yeeaaah right.

Kirk Cousins hey the guy looked great last year and man I always liked the guy but is he actually for real? I hope so but he ain't a sure thing either.

Josh Freeman we got him for nothing it was less than a year before he was a guy that was looking terrific was young all the physical talent you could ask for and um he looked Spugeon Wynn like and now his career is basically over. At least we didn't give up a pick for him.

If we trade or sign a guy we might get a Kirk Cousins. We might get a Brian Hoyer which actually would be pretty decent. We may also get a Ruan Mallet or Josh Freeman. I'm just throwing out examples here but idk I think I would wait to see who a team lets go and go after that guy than give up a 3rd round pick for a guy that might be crap.

On the positive end of the spectrum Tyrod Taylor had a pretty nice year last year coming basically out of nowhere and of course then he got paid so we will see how that goes long term. It's not out of the realm of possibility to find a cast off guy and they be worthwhile even if it's for just a season. That's what the Vikinfs used to known for doing with a terrific Oline plenty of weapons and Denny Green and his staff making things work.

[TheFuture]

Monster, you aren't going to get a Kirk cousins surprise in a trade. QB is the most important position in the nfl, and arguably in all of sports. The amount of time/money spent on evaluating these guys 1-3 is absurd. Once a QB is in the grips of a team it is highly unlikely that they move on from them unless they decide they are hot garbage. The only other reason is if they feel they cannot afford them/aren't worth the investment risk, which we saw with Brock Osweiler last offseason. That is likely the only reason a team like the Bengals moves on from a QB like AJ McArron. The injury risk in the nfl is too high to trade a quality young backup QB unless you are absolutely fleecing the other team. I'm having a very difficult time coming up with the last QB traded that actually succeeded on its new team. Can anyone name one?

In my opinion, your only chance of finding a needle in a haystack is through FA. It is highly unlikely but we have nothing to lose at this moment and anything to gain.

[TheFuture]

<cough> Curt Warner <cough>

Kurt Warner is an extreme exception, not the rule. There was also a ton more experience under his belt than anyone else you've been bringing up. He also was not traded for. Your idea of salvaging this season is bonkers. What we should do is exactly what the staff will do. Trade a late pick or pick up a cheap option through FA. If hill and that FA fail our team then we accept our mid to high level draft pick and continue to build for our future.

Teams only spend a 2nd - 4th round pick on a rookie QB they can control and develop for 4 seasons. They don't give such valuable assets away for another teams garbage. The Successful franchises are always gaining, never giving. Just go look at what Green Bay, indianapolis, or New England did when their QBs got hurt, they accepted the lost season and got better draft position.

[Monster]

Preach Future Preach. I agree with all that you are saying.

I will say that for teams trading for backups that Matt Schaub worked out pretty well for a few years.

[Coolbreeze44]

<cough> Curt Warner <cough>

Kurt Warner is an extreme exception, not the rule. There was also a ton more experience under his belt than anyone else you've been bringing up. He also was not traded for. Your idea of salvaging this season is bonkers. What we should do is exactly what the staff will do. Trade a late pick or pick up a cheap option through FA. If hill and that FA fail our team then we accept our mid to high level draft pick and continue to build for our future.

Teams only spend a 2nd - 4th round pick on a rookie QB they can control and develop for 4 seasons. They don't give such valuable assets away for another teams garbage. The Successful franchises are always gaining, never giving. Just go look at what Green Bay, indianapolis, or New England did when their QBs got hurt, they accepted the lost season and got better draft position.

Nobody in the NFL accepts a lost season before it even begins. That might happen in the NBA, but not the NFL where there is so much parity. Your idea to throw away this season is just idiotic. We have extra picks to deal and I believe Rick is going to pony up to bring in a decent option.

[Coolbreeze44]

Preach Future Preach. I agree with all that you are saying.

I will say that for teams trading for backups that Matt Schaub worked out pretty well for a few years.

What the hell is the matter with you Monster? Future's takes in this thread are ridiculous and I'm starting to think he's just trolling.

[Monster]

Preach Future Preach. I agree with all that you are saying.

I will say that for teams trading for backups that Matt Schaub worked out pretty well for a few years.

What the hell is the matter with you Monster? Future's takes in this thread are ridiculous and I'm starting to think he's just trolling.

<cough> Curt Warner <cough>

Kurt Warner is an extreme exception, not the rule. There was also a ton more experience under his belt than anyone else you've been bringing up. He also was not traded for. Your idea of salvaging this season is bonkers. What we should do is exactly what the staff will do. Trade a late pick or pick up a cheap option through FA. If hill and that FA fail our team then we accept our mid to high level draft pick and continue to build for our future.

Teams only spend a 2nd - 4th round pick on a rookie QB they can control and develop for 4 seasons. They don't give such valuable assets away for another teams garbage. The Successful franchises are always gaining, never giving. Just go look at what Green Bay, indianapolis, or New England did when their QBs got hurt, they accepted the lost season and got better draft position.

Nobody in the NFL accepts a lost season before it even begins. That might happen in the NBA, but not the NFL where there is so much parity. Your idea to throw away this season is just idiotic. We have extra picks to deal and I believe Rick is going to pony up to bring in a decent option.

Who said anyone is giving up on the season?