khans2k5 wrote:...and Iggy broke up with Nick Young today. No chance Russell and Young can be on the same team next year.
Well, any organization that had to choose between Young and Russell....and chooses Nick Young....well, I am not sure what to say here. Even the Lakers won't make that mistake.
Yeah, I agree that it sounds stupid, Hicks. But I think it's more complicated than Russell or Young. Apparently almost the entire team turned on Russell after the incident...accidental or not, they interpreted it as snitching, and there mat be no greater crime in the NBA. There's no guarantee Russell can win his teammates back if they trade Young. I really think they have to move Russell.
I agree, LST. I think it goes well beyond Young. There's no way the Lakers would consider moving Russell for our #5 pick if it were just Young. I'm still not convinced the Lakers would do that deal under any circumstances. If they would, then I think it's more than just his snitching on Young. It would have to be other character issues -- maybe work ethic, selfishness or something. Again, if the Lakers are willing to do that deal their willingness makes me suspicious enough to say no.
lipoli390 wrote:I agree, LST. I think it goes well beyond Young. There's no way the Lakers would consider moving Russell for our #5 pick if it were just Young. I'm still not convinced the Lakers would do that deal under any circumstances. If they would, then I think it's more than just his snitching on Young. It would have to be other character issues -- maybe work ethic, selfishness or something. Again, if the Lakers are willing to do that deal their willingness makes me suspicious enough to say no.
Bingo. If you think they are going to give up on Russell for the one incident alone, you're crazy. I'm not convinced they want to move him, but if they do you can bet it is due to more than the snitching issue.
lipoli390 wrote:I agree, LST. I think it goes well beyond Young. There's no way the Lakers would consider moving Russell for our #5 pick if it were just Young. I'm still not convinced the Lakers would do that deal under any circumstances. If they would, then I think it's more than just his snitching on Young. It would have to be other character issues -- maybe work ethic, selfishness or something. Again, if the Lakers are willing to do that deal their willingness makes me suspicious enough to say no.
Bingo. If you think they are going to give up on Russell for the one incident alone, you're crazy. I'm not convinced they want to move him, but if they do you can bet it is due to more than the snitching issue.
Normally I'd agree with that, but the Lakers have been one of the worst run teams over the past five or more years. Maybe not Kahn bad, but bad enough that maybe they're spooked by nothing more than their teams reaction to the snitching.
You also have to look at it from a free agent perspective, not just who's already on the team. Keeping Russell is going to take LA out of the running for a decent chunk of free agents. Who wants to go to a team with that much drama going on between the existing players already? The NBA is the boys club and Russell is a whistle blower. That's a disaster. You can either ship out half the team or trade 1 guy because there is no coming back from what's happened. The whole team turned on him. It's not as simple as just telling them all to deal with it and dump Young.
If Dunn is off the board, I'd be open to this trade. One thing Russel brings that Hield and Murray don't (at least not yet) is the ability to run the pick and roll at an advanced level. He has the size to play either guard position and adds another very capable ball handler. Hield and Murray look like pure 2s to me and neither did much in terms of play making off the dribble (although I realize Murray has shown this ability before college....just don't know how much stock to put into that). So in that regard they are redundant with LaVine. I only like Dunn slightly better because of his defensive chops - something we desperately need.
As long as we are speculating on the relationship between Russell and the Lakers, is speculating the opposite just as reasonable? Posters here are possibly overvaluing Young's romantic relationship with a lady while undervaluing his relationship with his money, job, and relationship with teammates. Sure, Young was probably angry in the moment and those that come for the next months, but i'm sure he's well aware that there are tons of trophy girlfriends out there for a man with that occupation. Is it not possible that the Lakers are fine by now, and we are still assuming they're a broken team who needs to sell low on their 2nd overall pick last year? Personally, i'd bet they'd turn down a #5 for Russell trade.
I will admit that I do not pay attention to social media/media in general, so if there is info out there suggesting otherwise, then feel free to spare me the embarrassment. Otherwise, it's unreasonable for us to assume we have any clue as to what the NBA brotherhood is like. I personally believe they're more than fine moving on to the next line of tail, and perhaps Russell did Young a favor by relieving him of the duty of breaking it off with a woman he was actively cheating on.
kekgeek1 wrote:Just in my opinion but I think it is terrible that in our society that a person that exposes infidelity is the one who gets in trouble and the one actually committing the act gets off easy. Just my opinion though
I don't condone infidelity either, but betrayal of trust seems at least as, if not more, evil to me. If you confided in someone you considered a friend that you had done something you didn't want revealed and that person secretly taped it and allowed it to be fodder for the whole world, how would you feel?
Isn't cheating on a significant other a betrayal of trust? Betraying someone you share intimate relations with is 10x worse than betraying a coworker/teammates trust. Young had what was coming, and if it wasn't Russell it wouldve been something else that got him caught. Russell getting tarnished for this whole incident is completely wrong. If Young valued his girlfriend, he wouldnt have cheated. If he didn't value her enough, then getting caught really shouldnt matter all that much.
kekgeek1 wrote:Just in my opinion but I think it is terrible that in our society that a person that exposes infidelity is the one who gets in trouble and the one actually committing the act gets off easy. Just my opinion though
I don't condone infidelity either, but betrayal of trust seems at least as, if not more, evil to me. If you confided in someone you considered a friend that you had done something you didn't want revealed and that person secretly taped it and allowed it to be fodder for the whole world, how would you feel?
Isn't cheating on a significant other a betrayal of trust? Betraying someone you share intimate relations with is 10x worse than betraying a coworker/teammates trust. Young had what was coming, and if it wasn't Russell it wouldve been something else that got him caught. Russell getting tarnished for this whole incident is completely wrong. If Young valued his girlfriend, he wouldnt have cheated. If he didn't value her enough, then getting caught really shouldnt matter all that much.
I agree 100%, future...Young is the bad guy here, not Russell. But I think we are looking at the incident through a white suburban lens, not through the lens of a typical NBA player. I don't know for sure of course, but I think if you secretly polled NBA players on who was the more guilty party here, 90% would say Russell. Snitching is the ultimate sin in urban black culture, and especially in the NBA where infidelity is so common.
