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Re: The importance of Rudy

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2025 4:15 pm
by Coolbreeze44
Wolvesfan21 wrote: Fri Nov 21, 2025 3:23 pm
Coolbreeze44 wrote: Fri Nov 21, 2025 11:52 am
Wolvesfan21 wrote: Fri Nov 21, 2025 6:22 am

That's what is interesting. Rudy is the exact opposite of Wiggins. Wiggins was and is a poor shooter, couldn't rebound, a weak motor, mostly didn't defend or couldn't or wouldn't, never took a charge in his life and was a perennial loser till he joined two or three or four (Kerr?) HOFers to ride on their coattails.

Wiggins is a case of wasted talent, got 50% of what he was capable of, we all knew he could be great but didn't care enough to do it. While Rudy is getting closer to 100% of what he is capable of. I respect the effort, I can't respect the non effort.

I understand why you like Wiggins and not Rudy.
https://x.com/Vullety/status/1991596495192400160?s=20
I could make a tape a thousand hours long of Wiggins pretending to be a cone on defense. It'd be really boring to watch though and sadly I've watched most of it already! :lol:
Andrew actually morphed into a very good defender during his career.

Let's stop with this. There is absolutely no reason to be arguing Rudy vs Wig. I like Rudy. He's been good for this franchise. I pull for him as hard as you do. But yes, he is a terrible offensive player.

Re: The importance of Rudy

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2025 1:39 pm
by FNG
I'm going to change my "get rudy shots" metric to 6 or more shots, because...well, because it fits my narrative better ;) ,

After the two recent home wins when Rudy had 6 shots in both (despite not playing the 4th quarter against the Spurs), here is the current scorecard:

Wolves record when he gets 6 or more shots: 10-3
Record when he gets 5 or fewer: 2-5

Sample size is getting bigger, and the mirror image results are quite dramatic. Get the big guy involved at both ends of the court!

Re: The importance of Rudy

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2025 3:45 pm
by Wolvesfan21
FNG wrote: Tue Dec 02, 2025 1:39 pm I'm going to change my "get rudy shots" metric to 6 or more shots, because...well, because it fits my narrative better ;) ,

After the two recent home wins when Rudy had 6 shots in both (despite not playing the 4th quarter against the Spurs), here is the current scorecard:

Wolves record when he gets 6 or more shots: 10-3
Record when he gets 5 or fewer: 2-5

Sample size is getting bigger, and the mirror image results are quite dramatic. Get the big guy involved at both ends of the court!
I think that as much as Rudy prides himself as a defensive anchor, not touching the ball on offense might get tiresome. It might even not be a conscious thing, probably isn't. And his defense might go from a 98/100 to a 92/100. Something like that.

Thats my feeling with the ball hog guys like LaVine or Trae. You take all these shots and not share the ball, like it or not it effects the team. They don't have that boost of feeling part of the game. Feeling like a TEAM.

Also it could be an indicator that our offense is clicking. If Rudy is getting open down low and getting feeds and converting at an elite level (76% not sure if that changed), it'll eventually free up the doubles on Ant so he can get cooking much more easily.

Re: The importance of Rudy

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2025 4:13 pm
by Phenom
Meanwhile Rudy will be in the running, if not winning, DPOY when Wemby misses the 65 game cut.

Re: The importance of Rudy

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2025 4:41 pm
by Q-is-here
Wolvesfan21 wrote: Tue Dec 02, 2025 3:45 pm
FNG wrote: Tue Dec 02, 2025 1:39 pm I'm going to change my "get rudy shots" metric to 6 or more shots, because...well, because it fits my narrative better ;) ,

After the two recent home wins when Rudy had 6 shots in both (despite not playing the 4th quarter against the Spurs), here is the current scorecard:

Wolves record when he gets 6 or more shots: 10-3
Record when he gets 5 or fewer: 2-5

Sample size is getting bigger, and the mirror image results are quite dramatic. Get the big guy involved at both ends of the court!
I think that as much as Rudy prides himself as a defensive anchor, not touching the ball on offense might get tiresome. It might even not be a conscious thing, probably isn't. And his defense might go from a 98/100 to a 92/100. Something like that.

Thats my feeling with the ball hog guys like LaVine or Trae. You take all these shots and not share the ball, like it or not it effects the team. They don't have that boost of feeling part of the game. Feeling like a TEAM.

Also it could be an indicator that our offense is clicking. If Rudy is getting open down low and getting feeds and converting at an elite level (76% not sure if that changed), it'll eventually free up the doubles on Ant so he can get cooking much more easily.
I think one of the things helping Rudy is the improved shooting around him, especially a backcourt of Ant and DDV, two 3-point gunslingers that take and make them at a high rate (yes, Conley makes them at a high rate too, but the volume and range isn't the same as DDV). Jaden is a much-improved shooter as well. This means that things are a little less crowded in the paint when Rudy gets the ball, meaning there are less arms and hands to poke it away or disrupt the pass, so he gets a lot more clean catches that even his paddle-hands can secure.

Re: The importance of Rudy

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2025 6:16 pm
by DNatagal
Wolvesfan21 wrote: Tue Dec 02, 2025 3:45 pm
FNG wrote: Tue Dec 02, 2025 1:39 pm I'm going to change my "get rudy shots" metric to 6 or more shots, because...well, because it fits my narrative better ;) ,

After the two recent home wins when Rudy had 6 shots in both (despite not playing the 4th quarter against the Spurs), here is the current scorecard:

Wolves record when he gets 6 or more shots: 10-3
Record when he gets 5 or fewer: 2-5

Sample size is getting bigger, and the mirror image results are quite dramatic. Get the big guy involved at both ends of the court!
I think that as much as Rudy prides himself as a defensive anchor, not touching the ball on offense might get tiresome. It might even not be a conscious thing, probably isn't. And his defense might go from a 98/100 to a 92/100. Something like that.

Thats my feeling with the ball hog guys like LaVine or Trae. You take all these shots and not share the ball, like it or not it effects the team. They don't have that boost of feeling part of the game. Feeling like a TEAM.

Also it could be an indicator that our offense is clicking. If Rudy is getting open down low and getting feeds and converting at an elite level (76% not sure if that changed), it'll eventually free up the doubles on Ant so he can get cooking much more easily.
This is very astute. It was like the last game in the 4th when the ball was moving and going from a good shot to a great shot. Finch allows the team to be as creative as they can be with a no structure offense, so when it works, it works really well.

Re: The importance of Rudy

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2025 8:25 pm
by Wolvesfan21
DNatagal wrote: Tue Dec 02, 2025 6:16 pm
Wolvesfan21 wrote: Tue Dec 02, 2025 3:45 pm
FNG wrote: Tue Dec 02, 2025 1:39 pm I'm going to change my "get rudy shots" metric to 6 or more shots, because...well, because it fits my narrative better ;) ,

After the two recent home wins when Rudy had 6 shots in both (despite not playing the 4th quarter against the Spurs), here is the current scorecard:

Wolves record when he gets 6 or more shots: 10-3
Record when he gets 5 or fewer: 2-5

Sample size is getting bigger, and the mirror image results are quite dramatic. Get the big guy involved at both ends of the court!
I think that as much as Rudy prides himself as a defensive anchor, not touching the ball on offense might get tiresome. It might even not be a conscious thing, probably isn't. And his defense might go from a 98/100 to a 92/100. Something like that.

Thats my feeling with the ball hog guys like LaVine or Trae. You take all these shots and not share the ball, like it or not it effects the team. They don't have that boost of feeling part of the game. Feeling like a TEAM.

Also it could be an indicator that our offense is clicking. If Rudy is getting open down low and getting feeds and converting at an elite level (76% not sure if that changed), it'll eventually free up the doubles on Ant so he can get cooking much more easily.
This is very astute. It was like the last game in the 4th when the ball was moving and going from a good shot to a great shot. Finch allows the team to be as creative as they can be with a no structure offense, so when it works, it works really well.
That was a really nice quarter to watch! Couldn't believe how they were passing it!

Re: The importance of Rudy

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2025 10:11 pm
by Q-is-here
FNG wrote: Tue Dec 02, 2025 1:39 pm I'm going to change my "get rudy shots" metric to 6 or more shots, because...well, because it fits my narrative better ;) ,

After the two recent home wins when Rudy had 6 shots in both (despite not playing the 4th quarter against the Spurs), here is the current scorecard:

Wolves record when he gets 6 or more shots: 10-3
Record when he gets 5 or fewer: 2-5

Sample size is getting bigger, and the mirror image results are quite dramatic. Get the big guy involved at both ends of the court!
11-3 now after coasting to victory over the Pelicans, LOL.

Re: The importance of Rudy

Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2025 3:55 pm
by Sundog
Alan Horton: Defending in isolation.

Nobody's done it better this season than Rudy Gobert.

75 players have defended 50+ isolations this year.

Rudy leads them all allowing just .569 points per chance.

Re: The importance of Rudy

Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2025 4:18 pm
by FNG
Sundog wrote: Sun Dec 07, 2025 3:55 pm Alan Horton: Defending in isolation.

Nobody's done it better this season than Rudy Gobert.

75 players have defended 50+ isolations this year.

Rudy leads them all allowing just .569 points per chance.
Alan Horton's incessant stats can get a little tiring, but I do learn things from him. I like this one, and it matches the eye test for me. Not a very productive game for Rudy last night with just 1 shot, but of course I blame his teammates for not getting him involved. He did draw a lot of fouls though, and getting into the bonus was a big factor in our getting 34 FTAs. The clips actually made 6 more buckets than we did, so the huge FT disparity won the game for us.