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Jokic

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:50 am
by Porckchop
Is he the MVP? Thoughts on Kendrick Perkins recent comments?

Re: Jokic

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 11:57 am
by Coolbreeze44
If Giannis can finish the season healthy, he is the MVP.

Re: Jokic

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 12:17 pm
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
Nikola Jokic should be the unquestioned MVP. No player has made their teammates better this season. The Nuggets are the top seed in the Western Conference with a six (!) game cushion on the second seed Grizzlies. Jokic has also never played with another All-Star on his team. Oh, and he's averaging a 24/12/10 triple double on absurd efficiency.

No disrespect to Giannis Antetoukounmpo or Joel Embiid, but I don't think the MVP race is particularly close.

Re: Jokic

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:23 pm
by Monster
Camden wrote:Nikola Jokic should be the unquestioned MVP. No player has made their teammates better this season. The Nuggets are the top seed in the Western Conference with a six (!) game cushion on the second seed Grizzlies. Jokic has also never played with another All-Star on his team. Oh, and he's averaging a 24/12/10 triple double on absurd efficiency.

No disrespect to Giannis Antetoukounmpo or Joel Embiid, but I don't think the MVP race is particularly close.


The seasons these 3 guys are having is simply terrific. Joki? and Embiid are shooting over 80% on FTs as true big dude centers. I'll add that Jason Tatum is having a heck of a season too. I'm kinda sad that I don't watch more games than I do. Might have to watch more playoff games this year.

Re: Jokic

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:34 pm
by Carlos Danger
I'm a VORP guy. The formula works. Joki?'s 7.3 VORP is well above #2 Don?i?'s 6.0. It has to be Joker's. Not bad for the guy who was drafted immediately after we grabbed Glenn Robinson III.

Re: Jokic

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:01 pm
by Coolbreeze44
Averaging over 31 points while being a perennial All NBA defense selection. Nobody can boast anything close to that. He's also leading the team with the best record in the league. Giannis.

Re: Jokic

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:09 pm
by Carlos Danger
CoolBreeze44 wrote:Averaging over 31 points while being a perennial All NBA defense selection. Nobody can boast anything close to that. He's also leading the team with the best record in the league. Giannis.


It's very impressive. But he's taking 6 more FGA/game than Joker plus 6 more FTA/game. Joker has been more efficient and that is reflected in the advanced stats.

You have a good point on the defense which does warrant additional consideration. But IMHO, I think it's still Joker.

Re: Jokic

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:12 pm
by Coolbreeze44
Carlos Danger wrote:
CoolBreeze44 wrote:Averaging over 31 points while being a perennial All NBA defense selection. Nobody can boast anything close to that. He's also leading the team with the best record in the league. Giannis.


It's very impressive. But he's taking 6 more FGA/game than Joker plus 6 more FTA/game. Joker has been more efficient and that is reflected in the advanced stats.

You have a good point on the defense which does warrant additional consideration. But IMHO, I think it's still Joker.

Giannis plays less minutes and draws so much attention on his drives. You can't go wrong with either obviously, I hope they get to play against each other in the finals. That would solve the debate.

Re: Jokic

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:26 pm
by kekgeek
CoolBreeze44 wrote:
Carlos Danger wrote:
CoolBreeze44 wrote:Averaging over 31 points while being a perennial All NBA defense selection. Nobody can boast anything close to that. He's also leading the team with the best record in the league. Giannis.


It's very impressive. But he's taking 6 more FGA/game than Joker plus 6 more FTA/game. Joker has been more efficient and that is reflected in the advanced stats.

You have a good point on the defense which does warrant additional consideration. But IMHO, I think it's still Joker.

Giannis plays less minutes and draws so much attention on his drives. You can't go wrong with either obviously, I hope they get to play against each other in the finals. That would solve the debate.


The nuggets are 27.6 pts better per 100 with him on then off. That is nuts.

I like Giannis more but the finals argument is invalid to me when the Bucks arguably would have 4 of the best 5 players in that series

Re: Jokic

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:30 pm
by Coolbreeze44
kekgeek1 wrote:
CoolBreeze44 wrote:
Carlos Danger wrote:
CoolBreeze44 wrote:Averaging over 31 points while being a perennial All NBA defense selection. Nobody can boast anything close to that. He's also leading the team with the best record in the league. Giannis.


It's very impressive. But he's taking 6 more FGA/game than Joker plus 6 more FTA/game. Joker has been more efficient and that is reflected in the advanced stats.

You have a good point on the defense which does warrant additional consideration. But IMHO, I think it's still Joker.

Giannis plays less minutes and draws so much attention on his drives. You can't go wrong with either obviously, I hope they get to play against each other in the finals. That would solve the debate.


The nuggets are 27.6 pts better per 100 with him on then off. That is nuts.

I like Giannis more but the finals argument is invalid to me when the Bucks arguably would have 4 of the best 5 players in that series

I guess I can agree Joker has more value to his team. But IMO Giannis is the better player. I think he's the best player in the world.