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2 years 10.4 million?

Good news.

https://twitter.com/DaneMooreNBA/status/1428790594067968003

Vanderbilt hasn't signed yet that's what Diallo signed for with the Pistons.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1428476459925057542?s=21

That's Dane Moore's own speculation. While I could live with a deal like that for Jarred Vanderbilt, I just don't think he has any leverage in order to get that. I think it'll be closer to four-million annually. We've seen rumors/reports that Vanderbilt wanted six-million annually and the Wolves wanted to to get him for three-million. They'll meet somewhere in the middle, but Minnesota can simply wait him out if they so choose.

Camden0916 wrote:That's Dane Moore's own speculation. While I could live with a deal like that for Jarred Vanderbilt, I just don't think he has any leverage in order to get that. I think it'll be closer to four-million annually. We've seen rumors/reports that Vanderbilt wanted six-million annually and the Wolves wanted to to get him for three-million. They'll meet somewhere in the middle, but Minnesota can simply wait him out if they so choose.

I would guess the Wolves won't want to wait too long because they have no PF right now. Vanderbilt has some leverage. The reality is both sides have motivation to come meet in the middle somewhere. Vanderbilt has a great opportunity with the Wolves and the Wolves want him ready to go possibly as their starting PF or at least part of a committee approach. I could see the Wolves going as high as 3 years 14 million maybe any higher salary would come with a partial guaranteed option for the 3rd year or something like that.

It keeps sounding like McLaughlin is going to get just a bit above the vet min so like 2 million. They might be willing to give him just a bit more to start since they really squeezed him last season on the 2-way deal.

monsterpile wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:That's Dane Moore's own speculation. While I could live with a deal like that for Jarred Vanderbilt, I just don't think he has any leverage in order to get that. I think it'll be closer to four-million annually. We've seen rumors/reports that Vanderbilt wanted six-million annually and the Wolves wanted to to get him for three-million. They'll meet somewhere in the middle, but Minnesota can simply wait him out if they so choose.

I would guess the Wolves won't want to wait too long because they have no PF right now. Vanderbilt has some leverage. The reality is both sides have motivation to come meet in the middle somewhere. Vanderbilt has a great opportunity with the Wolves and the Wolves want him ready to go possibly as their starting PF or at least part of a committee approach. I could see the Wolves going as high as 3 years 14 million maybe any higher salary would come with a partial guaranteed option for the 3rd year or something like that.

It keeps sounding like McLaughlin is going to get just a bit above the vet min so like 2 million. They might be willing to give him just a bit more to start since they really squeezed him last season on the 2-way deal.

I wouldn't be that comfortable if I was Jarred Vanderbilt. Personally, I like Vando's strengths and think he can build upon them in a way that benefits this team, but he hasn't proven his worth over a full season to this point. That's likely why he's still unsigned. Much of what makes him an attractive young player is thinking about what he's done in limited sample sizes and projecting that over 82 games in a consistent role.

Minnesota has played this negotiation out correctly to this point knowing that they have the power to match an offer sheet from another team should Vando get one. One alternative is signing an Isaiah Hartenstein and/or Harry Giles should Vando's asking price or offer sheet exceed what the front office is comfortable with giving him. Those three should have similar markets right now and we're essentially playing the waiting game to see what the first one gets. Lastly, the Wolves could also allow Vando to walk and start Naz Reid at the four/five alongside Karl-Anthony Towns and shift gears to accommodate that. The Wolves have options. I'm not so sure Vando has as many.

Camden0916 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:That's Dane Moore's own speculation. While I could live with a deal like that for Jarred Vanderbilt, I just don't think he has any leverage in order to get that. I think it'll be closer to four-million annually. We've seen rumors/reports that Vanderbilt wanted six-million annually and the Wolves wanted to to get him for three-million. They'll meet somewhere in the middle, but Minnesota can simply wait him out if they so choose.

I would guess the Wolves won't want to wait too long because they have no PF right now. Vanderbilt has some leverage. The reality is both sides have motivation to come meet in the middle somewhere. Vanderbilt has a great opportunity with the Wolves and the Wolves want him ready to go possibly as their starting PF or at least part of a committee approach. I could see the Wolves going as high as 3 years 14 million maybe any higher salary would come with a partial guaranteed option for the 3rd year or something like that.

It keeps sounding like McLaughlin is going to get just a bit above the vet min so like 2 million. They might be willing to give him just a bit more to start since they really squeezed him last season on the 2-way deal.

I wouldn't be that comfortable if I was Jarred Vanderbilt. Personally, I like Vando's strengths and think he can build upon them in a way that benefits this team, but he hasn't proven his worth over a full season to this point. That's likely why he's still unsigned. Much of what makes him an attractive young player is thinking about what he's done in limited sample sizes and projecting that over 82 games in a consistent role.

Minnesota has played this negotiation out correctly to this point knowing that they have the power to match an offer sheet from another team should Vando get one. One alternative is signing an Isaiah Hartenstein and/or Harry Giles should Vando's asking price or offer sheet exceed what the front office is comfortable with giving him. Those three should have similar markets right now and we're essentially playing the waiting game to see what the first one gets. Lastly, the Wolves could also allow Vando to walk and start Naz Reid at the four/five alongside Karl-Anthony Towns and shift gears to accommodate that. The Wolves have options. I'm not so sure Vando has as many.

Who is playing once Naz or Towns sits? The wolves clearly value Vando more than the other guys you mention and so do you and I. They clearly do not want him to walk. Yes the wolves have played this well and Vanderbilt is doing what he can to secure the best contract he can. The wolves want him and the reality is that this is likely going to get resolved in the next month or so before trading camp starts. FA hasn't even been 3 weeks old yet. If Vanderbilt signs for a solid 3 year deal now and becomes a valuable player at the end of the contract he will be 25 and can cash in.

The question I have is how long will the market for any starting PF remain strong? I say that for the next year or so or If Vanderbilt signed a 3 year deal. What if Vanderbilt turns into a young Taj Gibson type contributor? What's that worth 10 million? 15 million a year? If Vanderbilt REALLY believed in himself he would actually consider playing for the qualifying offer and ball out this year and see what happens. That's risky but if all he was getting is 3 million a year the Wolves were offering then playing for the qualifying offer and betting on himself wouldn't be too crazy. I think we agree that the Wolves will likely be willing to pay the 4 million a year to keep him and that might be enough to pass on the risk of a a better deal. I just don't buy that Vanderbilt has very little options. The Wolves don't have to blow him away with an offer but if they believe in Vanderbilt they will want to get him signed to a value contract that also mitigates their risk if he doesn't work out. Both sides are playing risk reward game and both want it to work out well with Vanderbilt doing it for the Wolves.

I agree with Cam. Vanderbilt has very little leverage in this situation. I like Vando's potential, but right now he's an unproven, high-energy defender/rebounder with questionable hands and no shot. Very few teams have roster spots and few teams have much cap space or exception money left. No one is banging down the door for Vando or likely to do so. I just don't see another team offering Vando multiple years at more than around $3M per year. And the Wolves can keep him at the QO number of $2.08M for a year if no other team offers more. At some point, reality will set in for Vanderbilt and he'll have to decide whether to sign for one year at $2.08M or 2-3 years at $3 - $4M per year.

I'm hoping the Wolves re-sign Vando. A reasonable deal in my view would be a 3-year/$10.5M contract with a player option on the 3rd year. I'd like to see the Wolves also sign Hartenstein or Giles. I just don't think we'll have enough luxury tax room to sign Millsap. The Suns and Hawks both have an open roster spot and money to spend and they are probably more attractive destinations for Millsap than Minnesota.

Monster, I agree that both sides would benefit from coming together and reaching a deal, but in no way, shape, or form does Jarred Vanderbilt have the leverage it appears you're insinuating. Minnesota can go several different ways to plug their holes if Vando's asking price remains higher than it should or higher than the Wolves are comfortable with paying him.

If he truly had the options you're alluding to he would have been able to sign an offer sheet with another team already and forced Minnesota to act within three days. That hasn't happened because of the reasons I explained in the prior post. Vanderbilt is an unproven-but-intriguing young role player that has not had a consistent role in the NBA. He does not have legs to stand on in a negotiation. The most leverage he has at this point would be to sign the qualifying offer and test the waters next year, but that's also risking potential earnings should something go wrong for him this year. Minnesota should absolutely play hard ball with him and avoid another Juan Hernangomez type contract.