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Net On/Off Rating is basically the net rating of the team while the player is on the court per 100 possessions subtracted by the net rating of the team while the player is off the court per 100 possessions. It adds additional color to just plain net rating by including how the team does when the player is not in the lineup.

I am not including any players with three seasons or less in the league. I think a lot of factors can skew both net rating and net On/Off rating in any given game/month/season. So the stats I give below are for players with 4 or more seasons in the league. That helps smooth out outlier situations and some of the random variability. It also means they have played with a variety of teammates and potentially a variety of teams.

Notable player lists to follow.....

The Stars' Career Net On/Off Ratings:

Steph Curry = +12.0
LeBron James = +11.3
Chris Paul = +10.9
Joel Embiid = +9.7
Nikola Jokic = +7.8
Blake Griffin = +7.4
Damien Lillard = +7.2
Rudy Gobert = +7.0
Paul George = +6.8
Pascal Siakim = +6.8
Jimmy Butler = +6.7
Jrue Holiday = +6.2
Giannis = +6.0
KAT = +5.6
Kawhi Leonard = +5.3
Lamarcus Aldridge = +5.2
Kemba Walker = +5.2
Anthony Davis = +5.1
James Harden = +5.1
Kevin Durant = +5.0
Russell Westbrook = +4.9
Kevin Love = +4.9
Bradley Beal = +4.4
Kyle Lowry = +4.4
Kyrie Irving = +3.1

The Elite Role Player Net On/Off Ratings:

Draymond Green = +9.8
Robert Covington = +7.1
Davis Bertans = +5.9
Ricky Rubio = +5.1
Patrick Beverley = +4.8
Michael-Kidd Gilchrist = +4.8
Andre Iguodala = +4.2
Kyle Korver = +3.5
Al-Farouq Aminu = +3.4

The Volume Scorer/Low Impact Player Net On/Off Ratings:

Zach LaVine = -4.6
D'Angelo Russell = -3.1
Julius Randle = -2.8
Harrison Barnes = -2.6
Brandon Ingram = -1.1

Good stuff, Q. I like your categories, which really help with comparisons. I read an analysis of DLO several months ago that highlighted his poor on-off rating. DLO has a lot of improving to do if he's going to become the elite player the Wolves need next to KAT. I hope he doesn't become another guy with a big salary the Wolves need to off-load.

So you're saying Rubio is a better player then DLO?

WolvesFan21 wrote:So you're saying Rubio is a better player then DLO?

Get ready!

The advanced stats maven's wet dream PG vs. a member of the DeMar Derozan "but this guy sucks because" all stars.

WolvesFan21 wrote:So you're saying Rubio is a better player then DLO?

I'm not saying anything, as I just listed a bunch of numbers in descending order. If I did the same thing with a metric like PER (which measures purely individual stats) it would look differently.

What the stat says is that over his career, teams do better with DLO on the bench. I realize there is a bunch of noise, which is why I use a career number versus just a single season. I do find it interesting that literally none of the other people folks think of as "stars" have that phenomena. So I reject any notion that this is just a weird statistical anomaly and has absolutely nothing to do with DLO. The question is how much is due to DLO's shortcomings and how much is due to statistical noise?

Q12543 wrote:

WolvesFan21 wrote:So you're saying Rubio is a better player then DLO?

I'm not saying anything, as I just listed a bunch of numbers in descending order. If I did the same thing with a metric like PER (which measures purely individual stats) it would look differently.

What the stat says is that over his career, teams do better with DLO on the bench. I realize there is a bunch of noise, which is why I use a career number versus just a single season. I do find it interesting that literally none of the other people folks think of as "stars" have that phenomena. So I reject any notion that this is just a weird statistical anomaly and has absolutely nothing to do with DLO. The question is how much is due to DLO's shortcomings and how much is due to statistical noise?

"Better player"? That's a subjective evaluation. I guess the answer lies in what a fan values in a player and what criteria he uses to evaluate a specific player. D-Lo clearly scores more points and makes more threes than Rubio, so those who value offensive criteria like that would likely say he is the better player. But ultimately this game is about scoring more points than the other team if you intend to win. And while it's not a perfect stat, Q's net on/off seems to measure this as well as any stat. I note that a lot of players I admire have the best net on/offs, and a lot of players I see as great offensive players but not necessarily winners have the worst. Rubio has consistently had good on/off numbers during his career while D-Lo has not. Q won't say it but I will- based on criteria that are important to me, Rubio is the better player.

By the way, Q- where do you find these net on/off numbers?

The stat is from basketball-reference.com in the Play by Play section. It seems to differ slightly from the NBA.com on/off stats section. I just find the b-ball reference ones easier to sort through. I'm sure I missed some guys on the lists above, as this wasn't meant to be exhaustive but instead illustrative.