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Coaches get handed good teams.
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:55 pm
by Porckchop
Not the other way around. Why would an experienced good coach allow himself to be lead to slaughter . Young coaches use teams like the Wolves to sell themselves for better jobs. If this guy can turn this squad into a .500 team he's as good as gone.
Re: Coaches get handed good teams.
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:14 pm
by kekgeek
PorkChop wrote:Not the other way around. Why would an experienced good coach allow himself to be lead to slaughter . Young coaches use teams like the Wolves to sell themselves for better jobs. If this guy can turn this squad into a .500 team he's as good as gone.
This isn't college. If you can make a team good, you'll be there as long as you want until you get fired.
Re: Coaches get handed good teams.
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:29 pm
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
kekgeek1 wrote:PorkChop wrote:Not the other way around. Why would an experienced good coach allow himself to be lead to slaughter . Young coaches use teams like the Wolves to sell themselves for better jobs. If this guy can turn this squad into a .500 team he's as good as gone.
This isn't college. If you can make a team good, you'll be there as long as you want until you get fired.
Yeah, the NBA is different than college in this instance. If you can build a winner in the NCAA, you've proven your worth that you can recruit, shape, coach, and lead a group of young men. Theoretically, that can translate to another program because players are only there for four years. You can implement your program and then go get the talent to fit it via recruiting. And as your reputation grows so does your ability to sign top players.
The NBA isn't as "easy" because teams that are good usually stay good for some time. Superstars blossom and the league gets harder and harder to win. Top players are scarce. All-Star talents aren't as available. Role players are at a premium. If you're able to help a team become decent or even good in the NBA, you'd be foolish to leave for another job.
Re: Coaches get handed good teams.
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:37 pm
by Porckchop
If a team like New Jersey fails to make the finals in the next two years at the same time our coach somehow makes the Wolves competitive and the Nets come calling you don't think he'd go running to a championship caliber team?
Re: Coaches get handed good teams.
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:43 pm
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
PorkChop wrote:If a team like New Jersey fails to make the finals in the next two years at the same time our coach somehow makes the Wolves competitive and the Nets come calling you don't think he'd go running to a championship caliber team?
I'm almost positive that Finch's contract length with Minnesota runs longer than a couple of years. The Nets only have Harden, Durant, and Irving signed through 2022-23. If they haven't won a championship by then, what makes you think they're ever going to? Not to mention the attractive core of that team will only be older and possibly elsewhere. If the Wolves were actually on the come up it would make no sense to leave.
Re: Coaches get handed good teams.
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:02 pm
by Porckchop
Camden0916 wrote:PorkChop wrote:If a team like New Jersey fails to make the finals in the next two years at the same time our coach somehow makes the Wolves competitive and the Nets come calling you don't think he'd go running to a championship caliber team?
I'm almost positive that Finch's contract length with Minnesota runs longer than a couple of years. The Nets only have Harden, Durant, and Irving signed through 2022-23. If they haven't won a championship by then, what makes you think they're ever going to? Not to mention the attractive core of that team will only be older and possibly elsewhere. If the Wolves were actually on the come up it would make no sense to leave.
Just an example. But the way teams stockpile the best talent ( and the Wolves will never be one of those teams) it's likely that if a coach can prove his worth on a lesser talented team he will go in search of winning a ring on a championship caliber team if an organization comes calling. Coaches are no different than players in that regard are they?
Re: Coaches get handed good teams.
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:03 pm
by AbeVigodaLive
kekgeek1 wrote:PorkChop wrote:Not the other way around. Why would an experienced good coach allow himself to be lead to slaughter . Young coaches use teams like the Wolves to sell themselves for better jobs. If this guy can turn this squad into a .500 team he's as good as gone.
This isn't college. If you can make a team good, you'll be there as long as you want until you get fired.
Yep. Money can be made in any NBA city.
Re: Coaches get handed good teams.
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:04 pm
by Porckchop
I know it's ridiculous and Debbie downerish to look that far down the road.
Re: Coaches get handed good teams.
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:09 pm
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
PorkChop wrote:Camden0916 wrote:PorkChop wrote:If a team like New Jersey fails to make the finals in the next two years at the same time our coach somehow makes the Wolves competitive and the Nets come calling you don't think he'd go running to a championship caliber team?
I'm almost positive that Finch's contract length with Minnesota runs longer than a couple of years. The Nets only have Harden, Durant, and Irving signed through 2022-23. If they haven't won a championship by then, what makes you think they're ever going to? Not to mention the attractive core of that team will only be older and possibly elsewhere. If the Wolves were actually on the come up it would make no sense to leave.
Just an example. But the way teams stockpile the best talent ( and the Wolves will never be one of those teams) it's likely that if a coach can prove his worth on a lesser talented team he will go in search of winning a ring on a championship caliber team if an organization comes calling. Coaches are no different than players in that regard are they?
Who coached the last super teams? Erik Spoelstra, David Blatt, Ty Lue, Steve Kerr, Frank Vogel, and Steve Nash. Why didn't Brad Stevens leave Boston? Why didn't Quin Snyder leave Utah? I just don't think your theory here has much to go off of.
Re: Coaches get handed good teams.
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:39 pm
by kekgeek
Pork there isn't examples of the thing you are saying. Off the top of my head I can't think of one head coach who has left a smaller market team to join a bigger market team/ more talented team without being fired 1st.
I can only think of Doc but he was moved from Boston to LA to Phi and the only change when he was under contract was Boston to LA