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Assume we end up with a top three pick this year. Would you trade that pick and Rubio for Myles Turner with 2 years left on his $18M per year contract? Would you view change depending on whether we have the #1, #2 or #3 pick? Would this deal be realistic?

Would you trade the same for John Collins (maybe add Culver) on a max contract in a sign-and-trade? Same questions?

Other trade ideas to acquire an established big?

Lip, if we get a top 3 selection I would simply make the pick.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Lip, if we get a top 3 selection I would simply make the pick.

I would too. But if Rosas thinks a Myles Turner or John Collins could turn our KAT/DLO/Ant trio into a contender, then I think he'll be able to deal a top three pick for one or the other (definitely Turner) without giving up DLO or Beasley. But if up to me, I'd keep the pick. And as I've mentioned before, I'd be looking to deal DLO.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Lip, if we get a top 3 selection I would simply make the pick.

Yeah, that's my opinion also. I like Turner a lot, but I really think Mobley will end up being a better center, and he would be perfect next to KAT. They are both terrific shot blockers, but Mobley's handle and passing are better at 19 than Turner's are now. I love Cunningham and Suggs too, buy Mobley would be ideal for this team.

lipoli390 wrote:Assume we end up with a top three pick this year. Would you trade that pick and Rubio for Myles Turner with 2 years left on his $18M per year contract? Would you view change depending on whether we have the #1, #2 or #3 pick? Would this deal be realistic?

Would you trade the same for John Collins (maybe add Culver) on a max contract in a sign-and-trade? Same questions?

Other trade ideas to acquire an established big?

A top 3 pick for Myles Turner? Lip have you been spending time with Mook in the high post? I would demand anyone be fired on the spot for making that trade.

John Collins yeah that's more interesting. I'm not paying a premium price in terms of assets for Collins if he is also getting a max salary. I'm not convinced he is worth that much money and I'm a fan of the guy.

Like Cool said if we get a top 3 pick than just select a guy.

Like I've been saying if you want a center just spend a few million on a FA.

I'll say this here after watching that Miami game I like the idea of having plenty of guard depth and someone than can really score coming off the bench. If you can kinda fix the position next to Towns without dealing away say Malik Beasley it won't hurt to have all those guards.

I get trying to come up with a way to fix that frontcourt spot but I'm not sure it's going to be easy to acquire someone that's a no brainer improvement. We have seen what it cost either financially or in assets to add guys last off season or the trade deadline. I also get we don't want to go cheapish and end up with another Juancho or Cole Aldrich etc but we also need to expect this team to be able to come up with a Aaron Bynes Dwayne Dedmon type that other teams have been able to find. We may have one of those type impact guys currently on the roster.

monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:Assume we end up with a top three pick this year. Would you trade that pick and Rubio for Myles Turner with 2 years left on his $18M per year contract? Would you view change depending on whether we have the #1, #2 or #3 pick? Would this deal be realistic?

Would you trade the same for John Collins (maybe add Culver) on a max contract in a sign-and-trade? Same questions?

Other trade ideas to acquire an established big?

A top 3 pick for Myles Turner? Lip have you been spending time with Mook in the high post? I would demand anyone be fired on the spot for making that trade.

John Collins yeah that's more interesting. I'm not paying a premium price in terms of assets for Collins if he is also getting a max salary. I'm not convinced he is worth that much money and I'm a fan of the guy.

Like Cool said if we get a top 3 pick than just select a guy.

Like I've been saying if you want a center just spend a few million on a FA.

I'll say this here after watching that Miami game I like the idea of having plenty of guard depth and someone than can really score coming off the bench. If you can kinda fix the position next to Towns without dealing away say Malik Beasley it won't hurt to have all those guards.

I get trying to come up with a way to fix that frontcourt spot but I'm not sure it's going to be easy to acquire someone that's a no brainer improvement. We have seen what it cost either financially or in assets to add guys last off season or the trade deadline. I also get we don't want to go cheapish and end up with another Juancho or Cole Aldrich etc but we also need to expect this team to be able to come up with a Aaron Bynes Dwayne Dedmon type that other teams have been able to find. We may have one of those type impact guys currently on the roster.

As I said in my last post, Monster, I would NOT deal our top three pick for Turner or Collins. I was just throwing out ideas that would actually be realistic. I'm don't we can get a top big man without giving up a lottery pick, especially if we don't include Beasley or DLO in the deal. And right now, I don't think DLO has much trade value anyway. As between Turner and Collins, Turner is actually the better fit for the Wolves. Turner is a better defenders and much better rim protector than Collins and that's the type of player we need next to KAT. Collins' is more of an offensive player and he needs shots. We already have three shot-takers in our starting lineup - KAT, DLO and Edwards. We have four if Beasley's included in the starting lineup. Collins wouldn't fit well in that lineup. The Collins deal makes even less sense if the Wolves have to give him a max contract.

I still think we could get Myles Turner straight up for Beasley. And apparently Atlanta was willing to deal Collins for Beasley if we also included a future 1st round pick (although not clear how protected if at all that pick would be). But as FNG pointed out, we really need offensive firepower in our second unit with DLO returning to his starting role. In my mind, that offensive firepower should be Beasley. I'm not sure I want to plug the defensive hole in our front court by giving up the team's best perimeter shooter and the only high caliber scorer we have on our roster who could conceivably anchor the second unit. If we're not going to deal Beasley but still want a high caliber proven defensive big next to KAT, our options are limited. Would I give up a top 3 pick in this year's draft to get that sort of big man? Absolutely not. But it's something Rosas might consider - at least that's my fear.

lipoli390 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:Assume we end up with a top three pick this year. Would you trade that pick and Rubio for Myles Turner with 2 years left on his $18M per year contract? Would you view change depending on whether we have the #1, #2 or #3 pick? Would this deal be realistic?

Would you trade the same for John Collins (maybe add Culver) on a max contract in a sign-and-trade? Same questions?

Other trade ideas to acquire an established big?

A top 3 pick for Myles Turner? Lip have you been spending time with Mook in the high post? I would demand anyone be fired on the spot for making that trade.

John Collins yeah that's more interesting. I'm not paying a premium price in terms of assets for Collins if he is also getting a max salary. I'm not convinced he is worth that much money and I'm a fan of the guy.

Like Cool said if we get a top 3 pick than just select a guy.

Like I've been saying if you want a center just spend a few million on a FA.

I'll say this here after watching that Miami game I like the idea of having plenty of guard depth and someone than can really score coming off the bench. If you can kinda fix the position next to Towns without dealing away say Malik Beasley it won't hurt to have all those guards.

I get trying to come up with a way to fix that frontcourt spot but I'm not sure it's going to be easy to acquire someone that's a no brainer improvement. We have seen what it cost either financially or in assets to add guys last off season or the trade deadline. I also get we don't want to go cheapish and end up with another Juancho or Cole Aldrich etc but we also need to expect this team to be able to come up with a Aaron Bynes Dwayne Dedmon type that other teams have been able to find. We may have one of those type impact guys currently on the roster.

As I said in my last post, Monster, I would NOT deal our top three pick for Turner or Collins. I was just throwing out ideas that would actually be realistic. I'm don't we can get a top big man without giving up a lottery pick, especially if we don't include Beasley or DLO in the deal. And right now, I don't think DLO has much trade value anyway. As between Turner and Collins, Turner is actually the better fit for the Wolves. Turner is a better defenders and much better rim protector than Collins and that's the type of player we need next to KAT. Collins' is more of an offensive player and he needs shots. We already have three shot-takers in our starting lineup - KAT, DLO and Edwards. We have four if Beasley's included in the starting lineup. Collins wouldn't fit well in that lineup. The Collins deal makes even less sense if the Wolves have to give him a max contract.

I still think we could get Myles Turner straight up for Beasley. And apparently Atlanta was willing to deal Collins for Beasley if we also included a future 1st round pick (although not clear how protected if at all that pick would be). But as FNG pointed out, we really need offensive firepower in our second unit with DLO returning to his starting role. In my mind, that offensive firepower should be Beasley. I'm not sure I want to plug the defensive hole in our front court by giving up the team's best perimeter shooter and the only high caliber scorer we have on our roster who could conceivably anchor the second unit. If we're not going to deal Beasley but still want a high caliber proven defensive big next to KAT, our options are limited. Would I give up a top 3 pick in this year's draft to get that sort of big man? Absolutely not. But it's something Rosas might consider - at least that's my fear.

Thanks for clarifying Lip. I was starting to worry about you. lol

What past information makes you think Rosas would give up that type of asset for a defensive big? I would say the knock a lot of folks here have on Rosas is he hasn't valued a defensive big.

Turner does seem to be a good fit and I wonder what it would take to get him. I was looking at that a few days ago and really Indiana doesn't really have a replacement for him currently. So unless they get something back pretty exciting I wouldn't think they would give him up especially since we can't just absorb his salary. The other problem with Turner is he has struggled somewhat with injuries and is his current one someone concerning? Maybe there is a 3rd team that could get on on the deal to get your guy Myles Turner to the Wolves. :)

Here is another possible thing to consider. If the Wolves can't put together the right deal to add a more established talent next to Towms they should sign the best FA big on a value deal which might be an added asset in a future trade to get that guy maybe it's even Turner. Maybe the guy they sign is enough of answer or a bridge to a guy currently on the roster. We don't know yet for certain of the Wolves Turner Beasley who was undervalued in Denver into a good player (it's looking positive) but I'd like to see them find a big that nobody else seemed to want and turn him into a valuable guy even if they aren't the answer. One player that I don't think would be the answer (more of a cheap flyer) but might be valuable is Mo Wagner. I think he would cheap and his some nice size plays hard and has a theoretical skill set that might be quite useful. IMO the Wolves should replace Ed Davis roster spot with a somewhat experienced guy that has shown something and yet they might be pretty cheap. Maybe that's Alex Len or Wagner or another FA. I would be fine playing more for someone like Noel also.

It will be interesting to see how Marvin Bagley finishes out the last few games now that he is healthy. I saw he has done some good things since coming back. If you had to pick between Bagley and Obi Toppin which guy would you bet on?

Monster - You should know better than to think I of all people on this board would trade a top 3 draft pick for anything! :)

As for Turner, his toe injury will require surgery. The expert talking about his surgery said that there is often chronic pain after the surgery. Moreover, it's a 6-month recovery period so he probably wouldn't be available for the beginning of the season. The Pacers seem just fine up front with Sabonis and Bitadze. They also have McDermott at PF and a couple of other bigs in JaKarr Sampson, Oshae Brissett and Amida Brimah. So I can see the Pacers dealing But the Pacers are also loaded in the backcourt with Brogdon, LeVert, Justin Holiday, Aaron Holiday and TJ McConnell. So as you suggested, it's hard to see a deal for Turner materialize without a 3rd team involved.

The Wolves will have the full $9M MLE to work with, which should be enough to sign a quality defensive vet big. But I'm not sure who that would be and the Wolves will still have to pull off some salary-trimming trade to avoid the luxury tax. And salary-trimming trades usually require giving up assets. I hope this franchise is done giving up future first round picks to clear salary space

I wouldn't be interested in Bagley or Toppin. Neither one is known for his defense. In Toppin's case, he hasn't even shown anything on the offensive end as a rookie. At least Bagley has shown himself to be an NBA-caliber offensive player with upside to be even better on that end. But I don't think it makes sense to deal for him, although I'd do a deal if it were just Culver for Bagley straight up.

lipoli390 wrote:Monster - You should know better than to think I of all people on this board would trade a top 3 draft pick for anything! :)

As for Turner, his toe injury will require surgery. The expert talking about his surgery said that there is often chronic pain after the surgery. Moreover, it's a 6-month recovery period so he probably wouldn't be available for the beginning of the season. The Pacers seem just fine up front with Sabonis and Bitadze. They also have McDermott at PF and a couple of other bigs in JaKarr Sampson, Oshae Brissett and Amida Brimah. So I can see the Pacers dealing But the Pacers are also loaded in the backcourt with Brogdon, LeVert, Justin Holiday, Aaron Holiday and TJ McConnell. So as you suggested, it's hard to see a deal for Turner materialize without a 3rd team involved.

The Wolves will have the full $9M MLE to work with, which should be enough to sign a quality defensive vet big. But I'm not sure who that would be and the Wolves will still have to pull off some salary-trimming trade to avoid the luxury tax. And salary-trimming trades usually require giving up assets. I hope this franchise is done giving up future first round picks to clear salary space

I wouldn't be interested in Bagley or Toppin. Neither one is known for his defense. In Toppin's case, he hasn't even shown anything on the offensive end as a rookie. At least Bagley has shown himself to be an NBA-caliber offensive player with upside to be even better on that end. But I don't think it makes sense to deal for him, although I'd do a deal if it were just Culver for Bagley straight up.

I forgot about Bitadze. I wonder if the Celtics wish they had done that sign and trade for Turner. He is hurt now but before that...

So...you are glad we didn't end up with Toppin? What a difference a few months makes in how we see prospects. I don't think the Knicks are going to just give him away at this point. I still believe Toppin could end up being a nice player but like you said defense was the big question mark for him. Honestly if I was the Kings would ride out Bagley as long as I could because they aren't getting anything of value for him. This season it feels like he has shown more in the games he has played than he did before and he just turned 22. Honestly I would be thrilled if we could get Bagley for Culver if we had some extra asset to throw in I would even consider it. We didn't really having anything to sweeten the deal I would want to give up for a flyer on Bagley. I mean if Layman had shown himself to be a better player I would be willing to add him in to sweeten the deal but I doubt that's going to help make the deal happen. To get Bagley he would have to pretty much demand to come to the Wolves which simply sounds hilarious and if he did that part of me would think we shouldn't want him because of that. Lol

As for the Wolves trimming some salary I think Rubio is moveable without paying to do so but we will need to take back some salary . Layman is a guy I think they could move in some sort of deal since I think he can actually play and is an expiring not getting paid a bunch of money. Assuming it doesn't cost much money to sign Vanderbilt then let's say they do nothing else all the team really needs is to sign a big. It's worth remembering some worthwhile bigs some of them younger guys at the time have signed for the vet minor not much more. The Wolves could still get a solid player to fill out their roster without going over the lux tax. I would say they could sign RHJ but at this point I think they could use another guy with more legit center size. Vando is basically a younger, longer possibly less impactful (this season was encouraging) but more intriguing version of RHJ. If somehow Vando isn't brought back (I would be kinda surprised) I would have RHJ on speed dial.* I'm still in on bringing back McLaughlin for cheap even though we will be bringing in Bolmaro.

* Do some younger people even know what speed dial is?

Monster - I love the idea of brining back JMac. Bringing back Vando should be a priority. I think he has a much higher ceiling than RHJ. But if he ends up no better than RHJ, then I'm fine with that too. I'd definitely have RHJ on our free agent list for next season.