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State of the Wolves 4 Games In

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:58 pm
by Lipoli390
OK, we have a really small sample size to work with after only 4 games, but what the heck. Actually, I think it's appropriate to include the 4 preseason games as well since the way the team played in preseason is consistent with the way they've played so far in the regular season. So I'd say we have an 8 game sample to work with.

WHAT I EXPECTED

There are some things we've seen that I expected based on what we saw late last season after Finch arrived. I expected the Wolves to play with pace and they definitely have. I expected Edwards to be a dynamic offensive player and that's what he's been so far his season. I expected KAT to get 25 efficient points and night because that's what he's always done since he came to the NBA. I also expected him to play fairly well defensively because he's shown marked improvement on that end of the floor the last couple years. I expected Vando to be a high-energy, rebounding Rodman-like player because that's what we saw last last season and that was actually the book on him coming into the League. I expected Beverley to be a high-energy, feisty talkative defender and team leader because that's who he is and it was obvious that he'd fit that role well with the Wolves. I also expected McDaniels to be an excellent, smart defender and good rebounder because that's what he was last season. So in those respects, I haven't been surprised.

POSITIVE SURPRISE -- DEFENSIVE IDENTITY

Although I expected defensive improvement from KAT and new that the presence of Beverley would help defensively, I never expected to see what we've seen so far from our Wolves. I did not expect to see this team play relentless, stifling defense and be among the best defensive teams statistically. I new Beverley would be very good defensively and that KAT would be decent based on what we saw from his last season. But I didn't expect KAT to be this good. And I knew Edwards had the physical potential to be a great defense, but I wasn't ready to expect that from him; yet he's been stellar defensively so far this season and preseason. Of course, I wasn't expecting much from DLO defensively, but he's been more than OK on that end of the floor; he's been really good. So now we have Edwards, KAT and DLO playing well defensively on top of the players we expected to be good defensively - Beverley, Okogie, Vanderbilt and McDaniels. Put it all together and you have a 3-1 team that hasn't played particularly well on the offensive end.

There's been a lot of discussion on this Board about the importance of developing a team identity and the fact that the Wolves haven't had one. I think we've all suspected that the team might eventually develop an identity as a fast-paced, high-scoring offensive team that needs to score a lot of points to win. That seems to have been the vision Rosas had for this team. But this team has thrown us an unexpected curve ball. I see the Wolves developing an identity as a relentless, attacking, ball-hawking defensive team that keeps opposing offensive players uncomfortable. I see an uber-talented 19-year old who has just discovered something called defense and realizes that he loves it. You probably all read his comment from yesterday about this team having the best defense in the NBA. You could see in his comments the sense of pride and joy he feels in the way he and the team generally has been playing defensively. He's our second-best player now and will eventually be our best player. So to see him not only playing stellar defense but taking great pride in it tells me that what we've seen so far from this team defensively is real and sustainable. I love the fact that DLO, while struggling offensively in the team's first three games, played constantly hard and well on the defensive end. He could have moped and sulked, but instead he stayed fully engaged defensively.

We'll see how the defense holds up over the course of the NBA grind and against the better teams in the League. But so far, the development of an identify as a defensive team is the biggest reason for optimism about the Wolves.

NEGATIVES SURPRISES

The only negative surprise thus far has been the team's offensive struggles. We expected a high-scoring team with defensive struggles and so far we have a defensive team that has struggled offensively. There are two main pieces to the team's offensive struggles. The first is the surprisingly poor offense from to of our best offensive talents - DLO and Beasley. DLO seemed to have come out of his offensive slump against Milwaukee although his 3-point shooting remained sub-par. Beasley has yet to get his shot back, although I like his hustle and improved passing. The good news is that both players have a long enough track record of offensive success to be confident that they will both come around and shoot the ball the way they always have throughout their careers. That's an exciting prospect because if we truly are the defensive team we appear to be, then this team will be really good once they start getting the offense from DLO and Beasley that we expected along with the offense we've been getting and should continue getting from KAT and Edwards. The other piece of our offensive woes is the lack of offensive firepower once you get beyond KAT, Edwards, DLO and Beasley. Beverley will give us some 3-point shooting. But what will we get from Price? Will McDaniels develop the 3 part of the 3&D player I believe he can be? Is there anyone else on this roster who can develop into an offensive threat? Those questions will be important ones going forward, but not nearly as important as we might have thought if the team's defense remains at the level it's been at this first 8 games.

REBOUNDING

To me, this is the team's biggest problem and it's Achilles heel. As expected, the Wolves have been terrible on the boards so far this season, except for last night's game against the Bucks. There is only so much Finch can do with this roster. But the one thing he has to do -- and that he did last night -- is put Vanderbilt in the starting line up with McDaniels and play those guys 30+ minutes a game. Those two together gave the Wolves the edge on the boards last night after getting crushed on the boards the previous two games. Unfortunately, that tandem wont' be enough against teams with more size. I love Vanderbilt's energy, athleticism, nose for the ball and fearlessness crashing the boards and McDaniels is a solid rebounder with terrific length and athleticism. But they're both under 200 pounds and Vando's standing reach is under 9'0. At some point, this team needs to add size to hold its own on the boards and have a good shot at being a playoff team.

So those are my thoughts on the state of the Timberwolves after 4 regular season and 4 preseason games. My thoughts might be entirely different 8 games down the road. But so far, so good.

Re: State of the Wolves 4 Games In

Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 7:12 am
by Monster
That's a good breakdown Lip.

I'm terms of the. wolves playoff chances it's VERY early still but looking at the standings there are a couple positives beyond the Wolves record.

1. Some of the teams that you would expect tone bad are bad so far.

2. No other bad/playoff fringe teams have gotten off to a crazy good start record wise.

3. Some teams that will likely be in the mix for the playoffs or much better have started off poorly.

Again this is super early but I think a lot of us expect that of the Wolves make the postseason it might be close in terms of wins and loses. The spot the Wolves are in even with favorable slate of games to start is encouraging.

Re: State of the Wolves 4 Games In

Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 7:27 am
by Q12543 [enjin:6621299]
Generally agree with your first impressions Lip. Why is it that this team always seems to have multiple guys at once struggling with their shots!? Aggravates me to no end. Can't we have one season where three or four guys catch fire and start off well above their career average? That never happens with us. It's always the opposite.

I am very worried about our bench. Beverley is likely to get hurt at some point. Naz looks like a disaster defensively. Prince hasn't really impressed me at all. And Beasley still hasn't found his stroke. I think we are on thin ice with this group and I am very worried about what happens if some of our starters are out for a period of time, especially KAT.

Re: State of the Wolves 4 Games In

Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 9:04 am
by Lipoli390
Q12543 wrote:Generally agree with your first impressions Lip. Why is it that this team always seems to have multiple guys at once struggling with their shots!? Aggravates me to no end. Can't we have one season where three or four guys catch fire and start off well above their career average? That never happens with us. It's always the opposite.

I am very worried about our bench. Beverley is likely to get hurt at some point. Naz looks like a disaster defensively. Prince hasn't really impressed me at all. And Beasley still hasn't found his stroke. I think we are on thin ice with this group and I am very worried about what happens if some of our starters are out for a period of time, especially KAT.


Q - I share your concern about our bench. That's probably the one things on which my perspective has changed from preseason to regular season. I thought we looked pretty deep in preseason. But I don't our bench holds up well at the higher level of play in the regular season. Right now, we have five proven quality NBA-level bench players: Beverley, Beasley, Prince, Reid and Okogie and each one comes with some serious questions:

Beverley: He's our best bench guy by far. But can he stay healthy? History tells us he won't

Beasley: Quality scorer & probably best bench 3-point shooter. But can he defend & will his shot return? I'm not optimistic about his defense improving, but I think his shot will come back.

Prince: Quality vet; still young at 27. Purportedly healthy for first time in 2 yrs. But will he start to look better than he has so far and will his 3-point shooting return to career form? He hasn't impressed me either thus far, but I have to believe he'll at least get back to his career point shooting percentage of around 37%

Reid: Talented offensive player. But will he ever be able to defend remotely well? And will his strange flat-footed 3-point shot ever become consistent?

Okogie: A terrific defender. But will he ever develop a consistently good corner three. And can we afford to have him on the court given our need for more size and rebounding?

Re: State of the Wolves 4 Games In

Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 11:55 am
by Monster
lipoli390 wrote:
Q12543 wrote:Generally agree with your first impressions Lip. Why is it that this team always seems to have multiple guys at once struggling with their shots!? Aggravates me to no end. Can't we have one season where three or four guys catch fire and start off well above their career average? That never happens with us. It's always the opposite.

I am very worried about our bench. Beverley is likely to get hurt at some point. Naz looks like a disaster defensively. Prince hasn't really impressed me at all. And Beasley still hasn't found his stroke. I think we are on thin ice with this group and I am very worried about what happens if some of our starters are out for a period of time, especially KAT.


Q - I share your concern about our bench. That's probably the one things on which my perspective has changed from preseason to regular season. I thought we looked pretty deep in preseason. But I don't our bench holds up well at the higher level of play in the regular season. Right now, we have five proven quality NBA-level bench players: Beverley, Beasley, Prince, Reid and Okogie and each one comes with some serious questions:

Beverley: He's our best bench guy by far. But can he stay healthy? History tells us he won't

Beasley: Quality scorer & probably best bench 3-point shooter. But can he defend & will his shot return? I'm not optimistic about his defense improving, but I think his shot will come back.

Prince: Quality vet; still young at 27. Purportedly healthy for first time in 2 yrs. But will he start to look better than he has so far and will his 3-point shooting return to career form? He hasn't impressed me either thus far, but I have to believe he'll at least get back to his career point shooting percentage of around 37%

Reid: Talented offensive player. But will he ever be able to defend remotely well? And will his strange flat-footed 3-point shot ever become consistent?

Okogie: A terrific defender. But will he ever develop a consistently good corner three. And can we afford to have him on the court given our need for more size and rebounding?


The bench is a concern and it hasn't performed well. However I think this could end up being a positive group and here are some reasons why.

The only thing that's wrong with Prince is that he isn't hitting 3's. I've been very happy with what he has done otherwise. Physically he moves like a quick big 3 and D guard. In addition to having a solid track record of 3 point shooting he is also a career 82% from the FT line. I think he is going to be quite valuable and will make some shots and he plays a solid brand of basketball.

Meanwhile Beasley...I think some concern is fair because as a fan of his I also don't think he is absolutely proven as a shooter plus he has really struggled in the past defending. Still it seems likely he figures out his shot and part of his value is he is good in transition. Defensively this system of aggression would seem to suit him as often his effort isn't the problem. If you have a guy willing to give effort at least have him do that instead of solid is enough or whatever. If Beasley returns to being the dynamic Wolves scorer he was that will be pretty big. I'll be ok if he improves and therefore doesn't suck on D and drops off on his offense. He will be more worthwhile with that trade off. He also seems more competent and comfortable dribbling the ball and doing something other than shooting it. As long as that's real and He doesn't try to do too much with his seemingly improved skills that will help.

Also when considering the bench no mention of McLaughlin. Right now he has been VERY solid. Yeah he hasn't hit a 3 yet but he never turns the ball over and is averaging over 3 steals per 36. If he continues his solid play he will help stabilize that bench. Is he going to be awesome? No probably not but that's ok if he is consistently solid. He will have some meh games too that's what happens with bench guys and even good starters. He probably can already be credited for helping the Wolves win one game.

Let's be honest the Wolves are 3-1 and a bunch of guys haven't exactly played well or at least offensively. It also helps the Wolves haven't exactly had the strongest opponents. Yes there are concerns but it also feels like some guys that are likely to turn it around to some extent have not played well. Naz has even struggled some offensively. I don't think that will continue. His defense has looked bad tho and I had usually said he was better than other have thought. That's not looking like a good take this season. Lol

Re: State of the Wolves 4 Games In

Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 12:00 pm
by thedoper
I think that once KAT starts getting those post passes off quicker when he's playing with the bench they can end up being offensively lethal. I am hoping it will be a result of practice. There was a point in one of the games where Kat was playing with Prince, Beverly, and Beasley and my initial thought was how great it could be if Finch was really running a 5 out set. 4 of the 5 can drain the 3 (all 5 if you make Naz the 5th). I actually think once Finch starts getting creative with the 2nd unit there will be some games when they really get going.

Re: State of the Wolves 4 Games In

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 11:57 am
by FNG
The state of the Wolves after 8 games is decidedly different than it was after 4. The injuries some hoped wouldn't repeat themselves are striking again with oft-injured PatBev and DLo already missing games, and the shooting continues to be atrocious. KAT has lost the board here, as his immaturity seems to hurt us more than his terrific stats help us. On the positive side, the defense does look improved...I didn't see last night's game, but I thought we were excellent defensively Thursday night and merely victimized by unconscious shooting.

With the favorable early schedule, some here were predicting a 7-3 start or even 8-2. Now with road games coming up against Memphis and Golden State, 3-7 seems far more likely. 3-7 with the easiest schedule in the league doesn't leave much room for optimism, but I'm still hopeful we can turn things around and get to 35 wins...I mean we're not going to shoot 32.6% on threes for the season, are we? The question is will Gupta and new ownership be satisfied with that, or will they choose to blow things up as many here are advocating. We'll have to see.

Re: State of the Wolves 4 Games In

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 2:38 pm
by kekgeek
Hey at least Glenn Taylor is finding loopholes to get the 1.2k stimulus check like 18 other billionaires

https://www.propublica.org/article/these-billionaires-received-taxpayer-funded-stimulus-checks-during-the-pandemic

Re: State of the Wolves 4 Games In

Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2021 7:26 am
by FNG
kekgeek1 wrote:Hey at least Glenn Taylor is finding loopholes to get the 1.2k stimulus check like 18 other billionaires

https://www.propublica.org/article/these-billionaires-received-taxpayer-funded-stimulus-checks-during-the-pandemic


Thanks for providing this information, kek. There's a lot of doom and gloom on this board with the 3-game losing streak, but this will lift the spirits of those of us who were concerned about how Glenn and Becky were getting by during the pandemic. I for one am happy to see our tax dollars going to help the truly needy.

Re: State of the Wolves 4 Games In

Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2021 4:01 pm
by DNatagal
How can a team with this much athletic ability and offensive skill not have multiple alley-oop type passes at the rim for dunks?

Does the lack of calls for Ant and others come from the total lack of respect afforded KAT?
When was the last time KAT set a proper screen and rolled to the hoop?

Maybe what this team needs is to go old school. Run a set play that requires 5 passes before a shot can be taken.

Either that or just tell ANT no 3's until he has drawn 4 fouls at the rim.