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Stud, enough said

Hoping he can get over 31 wins for the 1st time in his career this year. I do like Zach but don't know if he is just a good stats bad team guy

I would take Zach over DLO. It's not that hard though, lol.

kekgeek1 wrote:Hoping he can get over 31 wins for the 1st time in his career this year. I do like Zach but don't know if he is just a good stats bad team guy

His career On/Off rating and Net On/Off rating is incredibly bad. And this year it is as bad as ever, despite his career year (so far) as a scorer. I know his defense is poor, but he's a solid passer and the scoring he does do is pretty damn efficient. So it's just crazy to me how he tends to drag down lineups when he's on the floor year after year.

Q12543 wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:Hoping he can get over 31 wins for the 1st time in his career this year. I do like Zach but don't know if he is just a good stats bad team guy

His career On/Off rating and Net On/Off rating is incredibly bad. And this year it is as bad as ever, despite his career year (so far) as a scorer. I know his defense is poor, but he's a solid passer and the scoring he does do is pretty damn efficient. So it's just crazy to me how he tends to drag down lineups when he's on the floor year after year.

I like Zach just not sure he can play winning basketball. Will be interesting to see if he ever plays on a really good team would be excel or he a liability.

kekgeek1 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:Hoping he can get over 31 wins for the 1st time in his career this year. I do like Zach but don't know if he is just a good stats bad team guy

His career On/Off rating and Net On/Off rating is incredibly bad. And this year it is as bad as ever, despite his career year (so far) as a scorer. I know his defense is poor, but he's a solid passer and the scoring he does do is pretty damn efficient. So it's just crazy to me how he tends to drag down lineups when he's on the floor year after year.

I like Zach just not sure he can play winning basketball. Will be interesting to see if he ever plays on a really good team would be excel or he a liability.

I'd like to see him on either LA team to see if he can drag them down to miss the playoffs.

kekgeek1 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:Hoping he can get over 31 wins for the 1st time in his career this year. I do like Zach but don't know if he is just a good stats bad team guy

His career On/Off rating and Net On/Off rating is incredibly bad. And this year it is as bad as ever, despite his career year (so far) as a scorer. I know his defense is poor, but he's a solid passer and the scoring he does do is pretty damn efficient. So it's just crazy to me how he tends to drag down lineups when he's on the floor year after year.

I like Zach just not sure he can play winning basketball. Will be interesting to see if he ever plays on a really good team would be excel or he a liability.

LaVine is a guy that should be pieced around as a main scoring threat. Not a guy who should be put into a crowd of BS, nor a guy to clamor to for a rebuild.

Yeah, I think the key with these high-scoring/low net rating types is they need to be surrounded by really smart, vet players that can defend. I put Bradley Beal, DeMar DeRozan, Zach LaVine, and our own DLO in this category. They are all various forms of disaster on defense, yet they can all fill it up and get you a bucket when everything else breaks down.

I think what Future was trying to say above is that you can't make any of these guys a centerpiece. They are almost like very highly paid role players, with their role being to score the ball. But they aren't build-around type guys.

Q12543 wrote:Yeah, I think the key with these high-scoring/low net rating types is they need to be surrounded by really smart, vet players that can defend. I put Bradley Beal, DeMar DeRozan, Zach LaVine, and our own DLO in this category. They are all various forms of disaster on defense, yet they can all fill it up and get you a bucket when everything else breaks down.

I think what Future was trying to say above is that you can't make any of these guys a centerpiece. They are almost like very highly paid role players, with their role being to score the ball. But they aren't build-around type guys.

At least, Beal and especially DeRozan have experience on winning teams.

Heck, DeRozan has won more playoff series than the Timberwolves franchise.

ESPN top 100 has-

Wiggins- outside 100
DeRozen- 82
DLO- 69
Zach- 56
Beal- 22
Kyrie- 25
KAT- 23

As far as the Bulls, if your top ranked player is 56th you are in trouble. You can say the ESPN rankings are bad sure, but I think 56th for LaVine is about right.