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Is there a chance we truly make a play for him? Daw the tweets tonight saying he would be open to a trade. Not sure what it would take to get him though. Saw an article talking about them getting wiggins for him. HA! I was thinking something like rubio and bazz for him but that seems a little lopsided toward us. Anyone heard anything on this? Anyway we could get him without including lavine towns or wiggins?

No chance they are giving up any of the big 3 for him.

crazysauce wrote:Is there a chance we truly make a play for him? Daw the tweets tonight saying he would be open to a trade. Not sure what it would take to get him though. Saw an article talking about them getting wiggins for him. HA! I was thinking something like rubio and bazz for him but that seems a little lopsided toward us. Anyone heard anything on this? Anyway we could get him without including lavine towns or wiggins?

I think we have to get him without giving up one of the big three. To me the extra piece would have to be a draft pick.

I'll comment a bit more on Dragic in this thread.

Again if you don't want to give up a Young 3 for Dragic (which ain't happening) you are gonna have to give up Dunn (plus maybe something else) or find a 3rd team to make it work.

Dragic' contract assuming he stays healthy (he is 30 and actually has been more healthy games missed wise than I thought) seems like a pretty reasonable deal maybe even a bit of a value contract by the time this summer hits. I think overall he is a better player than Rubio and makes about 3 million more and they basically are signed for the same amount of time.

Dragic's game is that of a combo guard but I mean that in a very complimentary way in that he can do pretty much anything pretty well. He can pass the ball he can penetrate and get looks for guys and he can just score either for himself or play off the ball completely. He is pretty savvy with the ball he is fun to watch when he is rolling. There are games were so feel like he gets lost and doesn't do anything but the guy can play. Is he a good defender? No but I've never thought he was a bad one and he has plenty of physical attributes to be plenty good on that end. How many times has he been on a good team? I think he would be terrific here.

Again the problem is to get you you have to give up something pretty good or what would Miami just dump him? If you wanted to be aggressive and win more games the next couple years trading Dunn for him if Miami valued Dunn could make sense but even though Dunn has struggled...I love the guy's defense and offensively he is showing some positive signs. What if Dunn becomes the impact level of player Dragic is? That's not a super high bar but it would be a pretty nice player. On top of whatever you have to give up to Dragic you have to pay him as well. Basically you have to invest in the guy quite a bit. Now if you move Rubio one way or another the salary difference between those guys isn't too great but there is a bit there.

Also is this team good enough for Dragic? He wants to go to a winning team. We aren't that yet. Maybe in a few weeks... :)

As I mentioned in the other Dragic thread, there is no question that he is a better shooter and scorer than Ricky. But you need to decide what a team that already has three young players averaging over 20 PPG needs...more scoring, and more of all the other things Ricky does better. Let's compare their career numbers:


Rubio: 9.9PPG, 8.8APG, 4.3 RPG, 2.2 SPG

Dragic: 12.7, 4.8, 2.9, 1.0

Plus we know Rubio is a far better defender, younger, and makes $3 million less. As someone said in another thread, it's not certain that we will have a much better offense with Dragic instead of Rubio, but it is certain that our defense will be worse. This one just doesn't make sense to me.

I think the question LST is that if you have a PG out there that really needs to be accounted for defensively and opens the floor up more for our "big 3", does that take our offense from Top 10 (which is what it is now with Rubio) to Top 3 or 4?

Defensively, PGs have less of an overall impact than wings and bigs. That's not to say we wouldn't take a hit with Dragic defensively, but how much would that be versus what we gain offensively?

I'm on the fence with this one, but frankly, I don't think there is a deal out there that works for all parties involved.

Q12543 wrote:I think the question LST is that if you have a PG out there that really needs to be accounted for defensively and opens the floor up more for our "big 3", does that take our offense from Top 10 (which is what it is now with Rubio) to Top 3 or 4?

Defensively, PGs have less of an overall impact than wings and bigs. That's not to say we wouldn't take a hit with Dragic defensively, but how much would that be versus what we gain offensively?

I'm on the fence with this one, but frankly, I don't think there is a deal out there that works for all parties involved.

I don't disagree that Dragic makes us more dangerous offensively, and especially when Thibs turns to the offensive set that some of us don't like with Wig on the ball and Ricky in the corner...there's no question that Dragon looks much better in that corner than Ricky! But I think you might be undervaluing the defensive gap between the two. Ricky's long arms and lane-clogging instincts disrupt offensive flow in a way that doesn't always show up in the conventional numbers, and we lose that with Dragic. I think that is the main reason for his superior on/off numbers compared to Dragic that you posted earlier.

I think the on/off difference is probably because of the disastrous play from our backup point guards over the years. Also, the Rubio we know is a damn good defender, BUT we've seen that his impact on team defense is minimal. That's likely because of the position he plays.

I think Dragic is a slam dunk upgrade over Rubio.

longstrangetrip wrote:

Q12543 wrote:I think the question LST is that if you have a PG out there that really needs to be accounted for defensively and opens the floor up more for our "big 3", does that take our offense from Top 10 (which is what it is now with Rubio) to Top 3 or 4?

Defensively, PGs have less of an overall impact than wings and bigs. That's not to say we wouldn't take a hit with Dragic defensively, but how much would that be versus what we gain offensively?

I'm on the fence with this one, but frankly, I don't think there is a deal out there that works for all parties involved.

I don't disagree that Dragic makes us more dangerous offensively, and especially when Thibs turns to the offensive set that some of us don't like with Wig on the ball and Ricky in the corner...there's no question that Dragon looks much better in that corner than Ricky! But I think you might be undervaluing the defensive gap between the two. Ricky's long arms and lane-clogging instincts disrupt offensive flow in a way that doesn't always show up in the conventional numbers, and we lose that with Dragic. I think that is the main reason for his superior on/off numbers compared to Dragic that you posted earlier.

LST, I think if you have a Dragic, the need for Wig to be on the ball in those situations goes away.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

Q12543 wrote:I think the question LST is that if you have a PG out there that really needs to be accounted for defensively and opens the floor up more for our "big 3", does that take our offense from Top 10 (which is what it is now with Rubio) to Top 3 or 4?

Defensively, PGs have less of an overall impact than wings and bigs. That's not to say we wouldn't take a hit with Dragic defensively, but how much would that be versus what we gain offensively?

I'm on the fence with this one, but frankly, I don't think there is a deal out there that works for all parties involved.

I don't disagree that Dragic makes us more dangerous offensively, and especially when Thibs turns to the offensive set that some of us don't like with Wig on the ball and Ricky in the corner...there's no question that Dragon looks much better in that corner than Ricky! But I think you might be undervaluing the defensive gap between the two. Ricky's long arms and lane-clogging instincts disrupt offensive flow in a way that doesn't always show up in the conventional numbers, and we lose that with Dragic. I think that is the main reason for his superior on/off numbers compared to Dragic that you posted earlier.

LST, I think if you have a Dragic, the need for Wig to be on the ball in those situations goes away.

Bingo. The main reason Thibs does it now is because he wants the ball-handler to be a threat to score. Rubio doesn't have that ability and we need LaVine to space the floor.