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According to this:

http://nypost.com/2016/04/26/the-tom-thibodeau-fear-that-scared-off-knicks-and-lakers/

Nothing shocking or damning to me about Thibs. Those teams didn't want a coach who wanted significant say in what the organization wanted to do. Their loss and likely our gain. The more I listen to the various spots on radio or podcasts Thibs has been doing he either isn't quite the guy the media has portrayed or he is playing the media game well. Either way is good.

This is an interesting lengthy article about the Bulls injury woes and it sounds like the Bulls medical staff was/is part of the problem of the injury woes of the franchise. I read an article a couple weeks ago that when he took the job in Chicago Thibs wanted to bring over someone that he was familiar with from when he was in Houston but the Bulls refused. I'm not suggesting Thibs is blameless but if the Bulls medical staff legitamately has issues that's a pretty big problem.

http://www.blogabull.com/2016/4/7/11321660/chicago-bulls-injury-history-training-staff-derrick-rose

monsterpile wrote:Nothing shocking or damning to me about Thibs. Those teams didn't want a coach who wanted significant say in what the organization wanted to do. Their loss and likely our gain. The more I listen to the various spots on radio or podcasts Thibs has been doing he either isn't quite the guy the media has portrayed or he is playing the media game well. Either way is good.

This is an interesting lengthy article about the Bulls injury woes and it sounds like the Bulls medical staff was/is part of the problem of the injury woes of the franchise. I read an article a couple weeks ago that when he took the job in Chicago Thibs wanted to bring over someone that he was familiar with from when he was in Houston but the Bulls refused. I'm not suggesting Thibs is blameless but if the Bulls medical staff legitamately has issues that's a pretty big problem.

http://www.blogabull.com/2016/4/7/11321660/chicago-bulls-injury-history-training-staff-derrick-rose

Yep. Could be damage control on their part. I mean...the Knicks might end up going with Kurt Friggin' Rambis for cripes sake. That might be an easier pill to swallow if they say they looked at Thibbs but had too many concerns (when reality probably is Glen Taylor was quicker to the punch).

I'm guessing Thibs never had any interest in the NY job

After Chicago Thibs wanted control. He was never getting that in New York or LA. Jackson wants a mouthpiece in New York.

I continue to see Phil Jackson as perhaps the most overrated mind in NBA history. I've said this before, but I don't think he ever won a championship without at least 2 top 50 all-time players on his roster...luckiest coach in the history of basketball. If this article is accurate (and I suspect it is), preferring Rambis to Thibs just proves how basketball-stupid Jackson is. My god! The fact of the matter is his ego is too big to allow a bright basketball mind to share decision making with him. He obviously has some talent on his roster with Carmelo and Porzingis, but without two HOFers, we are going to see how successful Jackson can be...I'm looking forward to seeing Jackson/Rambis flop in NY.

longstrangetrip wrote:I continue to see Phil Jackson as perhaps the most overrated mind in NBA history. I've said this before, but I don't think he ever won a championship without at least 2 top 50 all-time players on his roster...luckiest coach in the history of basketball. If this article is accurate (and I suspect it is), preferring Rambis to Thibs just proves how basketball-stupid Jackson is. My god! The fact of the matter is his ego is too big to allow a bright basketball mind to share decision making with him. He obviously has some talent on his roster with Carmelo and Porzingis, but without two HOFers, we are going to see how successful Jackson can be...I'm looking forward to seeing Jackson/Rambis flop in NY.

I think you are dead on when you site Phil's ego. Jalen Rose said something I found interesting about the Knicks. He said they wrote a check for Phil and wrote a check for Melo and now they have Porzingis so...He said the Knicks are making money does the owner REALLY care about winning or has he paid the money to make some things happen and now just rake in the money. Not sure I agree with that take but I thought it was a different/interesting perspective.

longstrangetrip wrote:I continue to see Phil Jackson as perhaps the most overrated mind in NBA history. I've said this before, but I don't think he ever won a championship without at least 2 top 50 all-time players on his roster...luckiest coach in the history of basketball. If this article is accurate (and I suspect it is), preferring Rambis to Thibs just proves how basketball-stupid Jackson is. My god! The fact of the matter is his ego is too big to allow a bright basketball mind to share decision making with him. He obviously has some talent on his roster with Carmelo and Porzingis, but without two HOFers, we are going to see how successful Jackson can be...I'm looking forward to seeing Jackson/Rambis flop in NY.

Couldn't agree more LST. I think back in his heyday as head coach, he had to do something right to win that many titles, even if it was just managing the various egos on his roster. But those days are long past and he's been living off of his "zen-master" persona ever since. He's become lazy and closed minded as a result, which is ironic for someone that claims to be such a forward-thinking free spirit.

Q12543 wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:I continue to see Phil Jackson as perhaps the most overrated mind in NBA history. I've said this before, but I don't think he ever won a championship without at least 2 top 50 all-time players on his roster...luckiest coach in the history of basketball. If this article is accurate (and I suspect it is), preferring Rambis to Thibs just proves how basketball-stupid Jackson is. My god! The fact of the matter is his ego is too big to allow a bright basketball mind to share decision making with him. He obviously has some talent on his roster with Carmelo and Porzingis, but without two HOFers, we are going to see how successful Jackson can be...I'm looking forward to seeing Jackson/Rambis flop in NY.

Couldn't agree more LST. I think back in his heyday as head coach, he had to do something right to win that many titles, even if it was just managing the various egos on his roster. But those days are long past and he's been living off of his "zen-master" persona ever since. He's become lazy and closed minded as a result, which is ironic for someone that claims to be such a forward-thinking free spirit.

Yeah, I think that's a fairer opinion than mine. You're right...regardless of what Jackson has become, he deserves some credit for all those rings.

Going to college in southern Connecticut in the late 60s/early 70s, I was a huge Knicks fan. My friends and I adopted Jackson as our lovable Knicks mascot. We loved him because he was a hippie/athlete like most of us (no other NBA player has ever admitted doing LSD during the season!), and so inept on the basketball court. He missed the entire magical 1970 championship season with a back injury, and we actually thought his absence was instrumental in their success...he was that bad. We all thought he would end up as a somewhat goofy college professor...nobody ever thought he would continue in basketball after he quit playing. So I have to admit I was quite shocked when he became the legendary coach.

I don't find him as lovable today as I did back then.

longstrangetrip wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:I continue to see Phil Jackson as perhaps the most overrated mind in NBA history. I've said this before, but I don't think he ever won a championship without at least 2 top 50 all-time players on his roster...luckiest coach in the history of basketball. If this article is accurate (and I suspect it is), preferring Rambis to Thibs just proves how basketball-stupid Jackson is. My god! The fact of the matter is his ego is too big to allow a bright basketball mind to share decision making with him. He obviously has some talent on his roster with Carmelo and Porzingis, but without two HOFers, we are going to see how successful Jackson can be...I'm looking forward to seeing Jackson/Rambis flop in NY.

Couldn't agree more LST. I think back in his heyday as head coach, he had to do something right to win that many titles, even if it was just managing the various egos on his roster. But those days are long past and he's been living off of his "zen-master" persona ever since. He's become lazy and closed minded as a result, which is ironic for someone that claims to be such a forward-thinking free spirit.

Yeah, I think that's a fairer opinion than mine. You're right...regardless of what Jackson has become, he deserves some credit for all those rings.

Going to college in southern Connecticut in the late 60s/early 70s, I was a huge Knicks fan. My friends and I adopted Jackson as our lovable Knicks mascot. We loved him because he was a hippie/athlete like most of us (no other NBA player has ever admitted doing LSD during the season!), and so inept on the basketball court. He missed the entire magical 1970 championship season with a back injury, and we actually thought his absence was instrumental in their success...he was that bad. We all thought he would end up as a somewhat goofy college professor...nobody ever thought he would continue in basketball after he quit playing. So I have to admit I was quite shocked when he became the legendary coach.

I don't find him as lovable today as I did back then.

Thanks for sharing that LST.

I don't think Phil is all that loveable at this point. While I think he is a brilliant guy and likely still has a great basketball mind it all comes back to his ego and how he often comes off as an arrogant guy that think he is smarter than everyone else.