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Forgive me if this has been talked about, but I was listening to the Jalen & Jacoby podcast the other day about the Tibs hire, and Jalen Rose brought up that he thinks the Wolves will make a run at Jimmy Butler. Suggesting that Butler is at odds with the organization now, has played well under Tibs, would instantly improve the Wolves, and suggested the Wolves trade Zach LaVine + #5 for Jimmy Butler.

I think it's an interesting trade scenario, and one I'd likely pull the trigger on. But with Butler being 26? years old, that also gives me a bit of pause.

Thought I'd throw this out there!

I like Butler, Hockey, but I would vote thumbs down on that deal. We don't know what Zach LaVine might become, but my inclination is to wait around to find out. And I would argue that Zach was a better player than Butler in their respective second years. Zach and #5 is too much.

mrhockey89 wrote:Forgive me if this has been talked about, but I was listening to the Jalen & Jacoby podcast the other day about the Tibs hire, and Jalen Rose brought up that he thinks the Wolves will make a run at Jimmy Butler. Suggesting that Butler is at odds with the organization now, has played well under Tibs, would instantly improve the Wolves, and suggested the Wolves trade Zach LaVine + #5 for Jimmy Butler.

I think it's an interesting trade scenario, and one I'd likely pull the trigger on. But with Butler being 26? years old, that also gives me a bit of pause.

Thought I'd throw this out there!

I wouldn't trade both LaVine and the Pick. But I'd trade them our pick plus Pek's $12M/year contract for Butler. Then deal one of LaVine or Bazz in a separate trade.

LST, the reason I would pull the trigger is because while I think LaVine could become as good as Butler offensively, I don't think LaVine will ever get to where Butler is defensively. We'd be adding an All-Star SG in the early parts of his prime, a guy who would also fit well with what we have, and could help teach the young guys Tib's system, as well as bolster our defense and help turn this thing around on that end.

Carlos Danger wrote:

mrhockey89 wrote:Forgive me if this has been talked about, but I was listening to the Jalen & Jacoby podcast the other day about the Tibs hire, and Jalen Rose brought up that he thinks the Wolves will make a run at Jimmy Butler. Suggesting that Butler is at odds with the organization now, has played well under Tibs, would instantly improve the Wolves, and suggested the Wolves trade Zach LaVine + #5 for Jimmy Butler.

I think it's an interesting trade scenario, and one I'd likely pull the trigger on. But with Butler being 26? years old, that also gives me a bit of pause.

Thought I'd throw this out there!

I wouldn't trade both LaVine and the Pick. But I'd trade them our pick plus Pek's $12M/year contract for Butler. Then deal one of LaVine or Bazz in a separate trade.

c'mon man...the Bulls are not trading an All-Star SG in his early prime for a bad contract+the #5 pick in the draft. The Bullls would hang up the phone faster than they picked it up.

mrhockey89 wrote:

Carlos Danger wrote:

mrhockey89 wrote:Forgive me if this has been talked about, but I was listening to the Jalen & Jacoby podcast the other day about the Tibs hire, and Jalen Rose brought up that he thinks the Wolves will make a run at Jimmy Butler. Suggesting that Butler is at odds with the organization now, has played well under Tibs, would instantly improve the Wolves, and suggested the Wolves trade Zach LaVine + #5 for Jimmy Butler.

I think it's an interesting trade scenario, and one I'd likely pull the trigger on. But with Butler being 26? years old, that also gives me a bit of pause.

Thought I'd throw this out there!

I wouldn't trade both LaVine and the Pick. But I'd trade them our pick plus Pek's $12M/year contract for Butler. Then deal one of LaVine or Bazz in a separate trade.

c'mon man...the Bulls are not trading an All-Star SG in his early prime for a bad contract+the #5 pick in the draft. The Bullls would hang up the phone faster than they picked it up.

Right. An All-Star in his prime has never been traded for a top lotto pick plus some trash. Ever. Oh wait....how did that Kevin Love for Andrew Wiggins and Anthony Bennett (bad contract) go again?

Carlos Danger wrote:

mrhockey89 wrote:

Carlos Danger wrote:

mrhockey89 wrote:Forgive me if this has been talked about, but I was listening to the Jalen & Jacoby podcast the other day about the Tibs hire, and Jalen Rose brought up that he thinks the Wolves will make a run at Jimmy Butler. Suggesting that Butler is at odds with the organization now, has played well under Tibs, would instantly improve the Wolves, and suggested the Wolves trade Zach LaVine + #5 for Jimmy Butler.

I think it's an interesting trade scenario, and one I'd likely pull the trigger on. But with Butler being 26? years old, that also gives me a bit of pause.

Thought I'd throw this out there!

I wouldn't trade both LaVine and the Pick. But I'd trade them our pick plus Pek's $12M/year contract for Butler. Then deal one of LaVine or Bazz in a separate trade.

c'mon man...the Bulls are not trading an All-Star SG in his early prime for a bad contract+the #5 pick in the draft. The Bullls would hang up the phone faster than they picked it up.

Right. An All-Star in his prime has never been traded for a top lotto pick plus some trash. Ever. Oh wait....how did that Kevin Love for Andrew Wiggins and Anthony Bennett (bad contract) go again?

Comparing a No. 5 pick and a $12M bad contract to a No. 1 pick and a $5M contract might not be good math on your part... And I don't understand why so smug about it either considering it's a terrible offer for Chicago and one that would get turned down faster than you can say Nikola.

Carlos Danger wrote:

mrhockey89 wrote:

Carlos Danger wrote:

mrhockey89 wrote:Forgive me if this has been talked about, but I was listening to the Jalen & Jacoby podcast the other day about the Tibs hire, and Jalen Rose brought up that he thinks the Wolves will make a run at Jimmy Butler. Suggesting that Butler is at odds with the organization now, has played well under Tibs, would instantly improve the Wolves, and suggested the Wolves trade Zach LaVine + #5 for Jimmy Butler.

I think it's an interesting trade scenario, and one I'd likely pull the trigger on. But with Butler being 26? years old, that also gives me a bit of pause.

Thought I'd throw this out there!

I wouldn't trade both LaVine and the Pick. But I'd trade them our pick plus Pek's $12M/year contract for Butler. Then deal one of LaVine or Bazz in a separate trade.

c'mon man...the Bulls are not trading an All-Star SG in his early prime for a bad contract+the #5 pick in the draft. The Bullls would hang up the phone faster than they picked it up.

Right. An All-Star in his prime has never been traded for a top lotto pick plus some trash. Ever. Oh wait....how did that Kevin Love for Andrew Wiggins and Anthony Bennett (bad contract) go again?

Not comparable situations at all. And here's why:

#1: Wiggins was the #1 pick in a strong top heavy draft, and was compared to some huge names coming out. This is considered a 2 player draft, so the #5 pick is not even reasonably equivalent to the #1-2 pick in this draft in terms of value in a trade.

#2: Butler's a more valuable piece than Kevin Love when it comes to building a championship team. He's a 2 way player.

#3: Bennett's contract was a LOT better than Pek's. Bennett still had some upside to him and there was hope he could stay healthy and build a career. At this point, we're lucky to get 20 games out of Pek, and it's at double the salary.

Again, not comparable situations at all.

Oh, and I forgot to mention.. #4: LeBron James isn't the GM of Chicago like he is Cleveland.

Camden wrote:

Carlos Danger wrote:

mrhockey89 wrote:

Carlos Danger wrote:

mrhockey89 wrote:Forgive me if this has been talked about, but I was listening to the Jalen & Jacoby podcast the other day about the Tibs hire, and Jalen Rose brought up that he thinks the Wolves will make a run at Jimmy Butler. Suggesting that Butler is at odds with the organization now, has played well under Tibs, would instantly improve the Wolves, and suggested the Wolves trade Zach LaVine + #5 for Jimmy Butler.

I think it's an interesting trade scenario, and one I'd likely pull the trigger on. But with Butler being 26? years old, that also gives me a bit of pause.

Thought I'd throw this out there!

I wouldn't trade both LaVine and the Pick. But I'd trade them our pick plus Pek's $12M/year contract for Butler. Then deal one of LaVine or Bazz in a separate trade.

c'mon man...the Bulls are not trading an All-Star SG in his early prime for a bad contract+the #5 pick in the draft. The Bullls would hang up the phone faster than they picked it up.

Right. An All-Star in his prime has never been traded for a top lotto pick plus some trash. Ever. Oh wait....how did that Kevin Love for Andrew Wiggins and Anthony Bennett (bad contract) go again?

Comparing a No. 5 pick and a $12M bad contract to a No. 1 pick and a $5M contract might not be good math on your part... And I don't understand why so smug about it either considering it's a terrible offer for Chicago and one that would get turned down faster than you can say Nikola.

First of all - nobody is smug. He threw out an idea and I threw out one as well. Neither is likely to happen. But one is no more crazy than the other. Second, while I really appreciate your taking the time to give me the math lesson, I'm sure you are sharp enough to realize other pieces can be added to make things work (as was done in the Love trade). And finally, if the deal is not favorable or at a minimum equal - then you don't do it - period. This idea of sending both a top five pick and a promising young (and cheap) player in LaVine would not seem "fair" unless you are a Bulls fan.