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I know there aren't many Vikings posters on this board, but I thought I would weigh in here. I think the die may be cast already, but I hope the Wilfs give Frazier another chance. I met him at a prayer breakfast a few summers ago after the North Mpls. devastating tornado, and I haven't often met anyone so impressive. AP and others are actively lobbying for him to stay, and I can see why. He is an exceptional human being and leader, and I think can do great things with this team. This season was a disaster, but injuries in the defensive backfield and lack of a competent QB are not Leslie's fault.

Zigi, I know you follow this board closely. Go ahead and fire the defensive and offensive coordinators, but keep Leslie Frazier.

I can't blame Frazier for this year and he did make the playoffs last year. A rotating door at QB is terrible for any team, especially when the QBs are Ponder/Cassell/Freeman. Need a franchise guy in this upcoming draft. Bortles perhaps? Hell, maybe even Manziel. Get fans back into this team. Some decent young pieces already in place with a dash of veterans. QBs the most important position in sports. Get the Vikes one and then see how Frazier operates.

AP, Rudolph, Kalil, Patterson, Jennings (vet), Smith, Floyd, Rhodes, Greenway (vet), Henderson (vet) and even the kicker Walsh (he's money). Some good--some great-- young pieces there. Won't go anywhere without a QB, though.


Chargers made the playoffs today. Got the help we needed and even though it was ugly, we won our game. 6th seed thank you very much! First round against the Bengals!

I agree, the problem isn't Frazier but his foolish loyalty to his coordinators and veterans. If they were to fire both coordinators and bring in qualified, experienced people who are likely to embrace new/young talent rather than having blind loyalty to last years/decades stud then I think Frazier would be fine. However old dogs don't change their spots and Frazier is an old school coach in a modern win now league.

I like Frazier but I think it's time to accept that he's not the answer.

Fire them all...Need a fresh start.. If they fire just the coordinators then frazier would most likly bring in some crap guys anyway... The balme is on all of them its the HC job to work with both OC and DC to get better and change it up at half time if things are not going good... They came in with a game plan and statyed with it all game,They do not know how to adjust if things are going bad... And allso they are very predictable on both sides of the ball..

He gone.

I got a suggestion: How about a deep breath?

This isn't the '77 Bucs. They were 5-10-1, and one can argue they were about 10 plays from being 10-6, with no Rudolph or Harrison Smith.

Even before cutting Greenway and maybe trading AP(?), they have 3 picks in the top 60 and a TON of cap room.

I'm not devasted, but I was hoping he would get another run with two GOOD coordinators.

There's no injustice this offseason that will overtake what that guy in CLE got subjected to. Quick stat: They were 3-0 with Hoyer, and 1-12 with Campbell/Weeden, even though one of those was the MIN game that MIN probably wins with Rudolph/Smith.

JasonIsDaMan wrote:I got a suggestion: How about a deep breath?

This isn't the '77 Bucs. They were 5-10-1, and one can argue they were about 10 plays from being 10-6, with no Rudolph or Harrison Smith.

Even before cutting Greenway and maybe trading AP(?), they have 3 picks in the top 60 and a TON of cap room.

I'm not devasted, but I was hoping he would get another run with two GOOD cordinators.

There's no injustice this offseason that will overtake what that guy in CLE got subjected to. Quick stat: They were 3-0 with Hoyer, and 1-12 with Campbell/Weeden, even though one of those was the MIN game that MIN probably wins with Rudolph/Smith.

Did you ever watch any games? Even when Rudolph was playing they never used the guy, And thats the HC's/OC fault.. Another thing they did was letting ponder start games when it was clear as day Matt was the better of the 2... Again thats the HC making that call..Don't matter now they did the right thing and fired him..And how many games did they lose late in the 4thQ that they should of won? Again thats on the HC and his play calling..

Squishypoo wrote:

JasonIsDaMan wrote:I got a suggestion: How about a deep breath?

This isn't the '77 Bucs. They were 5-10-1, and one can argue they were about 10 plays from being 10-6, with no Rudolph or Harrison Smith.

Even before cutting Greenway and maybe trading AP(?), they have 3 picks in the top 60 and a TON of cap room.

I'm not devasted, but I was hoping he would get another run with two GOOD cordinators.

There's no injustice this offseason that will overtake what that guy in CLE got subjected to. Quick stat: They were 3-0 with Hoyer, and 1-12 with Campbell/Weeden, even though one of those was the MIN game that MIN probably wins with Rudolph/Smith.

Did you ever watch any games? Even when Rudolph was playing they never used the guy, And thats the HC's/OC fault.. Another thing they did was letting ponder start games when it was clear as day Matt was the better of the 2... Again thats the HC making that call..Don't matter now they did the right thing and fired him..And how many games did they lose late in the 4thQ that they should of won? Again thats on the HC and his play calling..

1. Rudolph was targeted 43 times for 30 catches in the 8 games he played. Prorated over a full season, that's top ten for TE's. And when you consider that he's a pro-bowler that other teams game plan for, that's a decent number. And do PLAYERS ever get assigned responsibility in your world?

2. Nothing is "clear" when it comes to "ponder" and "Matt". "Matt" has a slight edge in rating (81.6 vs. 77.9), while "ponder" has a slight edge in QBR (51.2 vs. 48.7). Well, one thing is clear: Those are the QB's the coaches were given to work with.

3. Your argument about me saying that the Vikes were 10 or so plays away from being 10-6 is....to ask me if I noticed how many of their games came down to the wire? Very good. Yes I did notice. One more first down by the offense, one less first down given up by the defense. That 5 to 10 plays. Get it?

Look, I understand. You are clearly one of the 32 best in the world at whatever the hell it is you do, and all that success has afforded you the fortune needed to afford internet access, which you use to go to message boards and point out how less than perfection will not cut it. All I'm saying is take a breath, then ask yourself: Was Fraizer REALLY given the best chance to succeed?