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The way too early mock drafts have our beloved Wolves taking him.
If that happens I would put him on a strict regiment of Jucy Lucys from Matts for a good year.

5-8 bar or Matts, who you got?

My attempt to lighten the mood in here.

The NBA needs to force he and Jalen suggs to go to the Wolves for spurning the gophers

I'm not sold on Suggs as a potential star. He seems more Rondo than Lillard.

As for Holmgren, I just chuckle that the mocks just automatically assume the Wolves will be in the running for the top pick because of course.....Wolves.

Q12543 wrote:I'm not sold on Suggs as a potential star. He seems more Rondo than Lillard.

As for Holmgren, I just chuckle that the mocks just automatically assume the Wolves will be in the running for the top pick because of course.....Wolves.

Wolves might not even have their pick next year.

PorkChop wrote:The way too early mock drafts have our beloved Wolves taking him.
If that happens I would put him on a strict regiment of Jucy Lucys from Matts for a good year.

5-8 bar or Matts, who you got?

My attempt to lighten the mood in here.

Parlor, Saint Dinette and others over both... even if it's not a Ju(i)cy Lucy.

But I'd go Matt's > 5-8... but I'm definitely willing to do another taste test at both joints.


[Note: It will be interesting to see just how much he fills that frame. He's just so skinny right now, it's almost unnerving. He seems legit though.]

PorkChop wrote:The way too early mock drafts have our beloved Wolves taking him.
If that happens I would put him on a strict regiment of Jucy Lucys from Matts for a good year.

5-8 bar or Matts, who you got?

My attempt to lighten the mood in here.

Great question, Pork. I like 'em both, but I give a slight nod to 5-8 (only been to the Cedar one). Matt's also pisses me off because they don't take credit cards. Who carries cash anymore unless you're a drug dealer?

Who you got, Pork?

I'm so sick of our best basketball players leaving the state. I love Williams Arena and Gopher basketball, and it's a tragedy these great high school players keep rejecting us. I get that they want a better chance of winning an NCAA championship, but you're going to be more of a star in a lesser program like Minnesota. Michael Hurt is a great talent, but had to defer to other stars at Duke his freshman year...there's no question in my mind that he would have gotten to the NBA one year earlier if he had stayed home. And Suggs might have averaged 20-8-5 at Minnesota as the star of the team, and he might have been the consensus first pick rather than one of three. I actively cheered against Gonzaga in the finals because I thought it might dissuade Holmgren from going there, but no such luck.

FNG,

While I am also EXTREMELY sick of none of the MN kids staying home, I think we need to be a bit honest with ourselves here. If I was a top kid and had chance at Duke, Kansas, Gonzaga, NC, etc.....and then MN.....I think we can all say MN would NOT be in our top list. And regarding the draft and exposure component, I just don't agree. I have yet to see a player "overlooked" on one of those dominant programs regardless of playing 1st, 2nd or 3rd fiddle. Heck, think about Towns at Kentucky. Didn't they have 7 1st rounders or something from that team? From a pure "business" standpoint, it has proven over and over that going to large basketball school impacts draft opportunity.

All that said, it may just take 1 or 2 of these guys to stay and start a movement. Like you, I keep hoping every year will begin this change.....and it just never happens. BUT, teams like Wisconsin and others seem to do just fine every year despite not getting the top ranked players. It is very possible to win consistently without getting top 100 kids all the time.

And while Chet is great from a skillset standpoint, I just don't see how he can have success at the college or NBA level anytime soon. He dominates with length at HS level, but is going to get manhandled once he moves to college program. If he can put on 20+ lbs, he has a chance. I just question his potential to gain weight, as I would assume he has been working with nutritionist, etc over past couple years. That said, guys like KG and Durant were similar builds coming out of HS.....so there are precedents of players becoming great despite weight. I just don't think Chet will end up a top 5 pick as currently thought.

Yeah, I understand your point, Hicks. I can understand why a HS star wants it all...a shot at an NCAA championship (which he isn't going to get here) plus an NBA career. I think it's short-sighted though. Guys like Ant and Cade Cunningham might still have been in the running for top pick if they went to a powerhouse instead of staying home, but maybe not. Is Ant the #1 pick if he goes to a school where he isn't the only scorer? Is Cunningham a consensus first pick if he goes to Duke and averages 10-12 PPG because there are 6 other McDonald's All-American mouths that have to be fed? Maybe, KAT is a good example of a guy who went #1 despite modest stats in college. But also Michael Hurt almost certainly gets to the NBA a year earlier if he stays home and is a star, and maybe Tre Jones goes much higher than the 42nd pick if he stays in Minnesota and averages 20 PPG and 8 assists a game (and by the way, Tre has not been very good, but he likely would have gone higher with better college stats).

Ultimately I'm a Gopher homer, Hicks, so I am probably trying to make a case from a not very objective perspective ;-) .

One other note, FNG... there's truth in good basketball players getting better playing with good/better players... with the best coaching/connections/reputation.

FNG wrote:Yeah, I understand your point, Hicks. I can understand why a HS star wants it all...a shot at an NCAA championship (which he isn't going to get here) plus an NBA career. I think it's short-sighted though. Guys like Ant and Cade Cunningham might still have been in the running for top pick if they went to a powerhouse instead of staying home, but maybe not. Is Ant the #1 pick if he goes to a school where he isn't the only scorer? Is Cunningham a consensus first pick if he goes to Duke and averages 10-12 PPG because there are 6 other McDonald's All-American mouths that have to be fed? Maybe, KAT is a good example of a guy who went #1 despite modest stats in college. But also Michael Hurt almost certainly gets to the NBA a year earlier if he stays home and is a star, and maybe Tre Jones goes much higher than the 42nd pick if he stays in Minnesota and averages 20 PPG and 8 assists a game (and by the way, Tre has not been very good, but he likely would have gone higher with better college stats).

Ultimately I'm a Gopher homer, Hicks, so I am probably trying to make a case from a not very objective perspective ;-) .

Michael Hurt did play for the gophers he was a career off the bench player. Matthew Hurt played at Duke.