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Becuz right now I'm only finding optimism in what futility my reward us. This is much sooner than past seasons even tho this team has more individual talent

I tweeted this earlier. I think it's unfortunately the way to go...

Goals for the Minnesota Wolves before 2019-20:

- Trade Jimmy Butler for a young wing/big with two-way promise.

- Dump Andrew Wiggins for, at worst, expiring contracts and a first-round pick. Clear that contract.

- Hard TANK mode for Duke SG/SF R.J. Barrett.

Camden wrote:I tweeted this earlier. I think it's unfortunately the way to go...

Goals for the Minnesota Wolves before 2019-20:

- Trade Jimmy Butler for a young wing/big with two-way promise.

- Dump Andrew Wiggins for, at worst, expiring contracts and a first-round pick. Clear that contract.

- Hard TANK mode for Duke SG/SF R.J. Barrett.

Not a bad plan Cam. You forgot, "Fire Thibs!" in there, but perhaps that is implied.

My fear is whatever regime comes in next will think they know how to properly utilize Wiggins and get the most out of him, not realizing that they are wasting their time. There is probably still a team or two willing to gamble on him, but that list has been dwindling for quite a while now.

Q12543 wrote:

Camden wrote:I tweeted this earlier. I think it's unfortunately the way to go...

Goals for the Minnesota Wolves before 2019-20:

- Trade Jimmy Butler for a young wing/big with two-way promise.

- Dump Andrew Wiggins for, at worst, expiring contracts and a first-round pick. Clear that contract.

- Hard TANK mode for Duke SG/SF R.J. Barrett.

Not a bad plan Cam. You forgot, "Fire Thibs!" in there, but perhaps that is implied.

My fear is whatever regime comes in next will think they know how to properly utilize Wiggins and get the most out of him, not realizing that they are wasting their time. There is probably still a team or two willing to gamble on him, but that list has been dwindling for quite a while now.

I also support Cam's plan, assuming it includes getting rid of Thibodeau.

Honestly, I'd like to see a better coach take a shot a making better use of Wiggins. At a minimum, I think a better coach could increase Andrew's trade value. And who knows, maybe Andrew is ready to take a big step forward in his 5th season like Oladipo did last season. But it's not going to happen under Thibodeau because Thibodeau continues to use Wiggins in ways that accentuate his weaknesses and ignore his strengths. Otherwise, right now I'd say that the Kings are probably the best potential trade partner for Wiggins.

The best trade partner for Wiggins will be Toronto next year after they lose Kawhi and they are going into rebuild mode. I'm sure if the Toronto plan fails Masai looks for a better opportunity anyway. There's no reason to trade him just yet as I see it. Continue to monitor his progress then when there's a chance to actually get some gains, make the trade. Wiggins has a depreciated value on the open market right now, selling at this point would be a horrible business decision.

thedoper wrote:The best trade partner for Wiggins will be Toronto next year after they lose Kawhi and they are going into rebuild mode. I'm sure if the Toronto plan fails Masai looks for a better opportunity anyway. There's no reason to trade him just yet as I see it. Continue to monitor his progress then when there's a chance to actually get some gains, make the trade. Wiggins has a depreciated value on the open market right now, selling at this point would be a horrible business decision.

...but you do realize his value could go down further? The only thing that has kept his value above some nominal figure is his age and athleticism (which we rarely see on display). But that is starting to fade as well now that we're 4+ years into his career with nothing but a pile of mediocrity to show for it.

Q12543 wrote:

thedoper wrote:The best trade partner for Wiggins will be Toronto next year after they lose Kawhi and they are going into rebuild mode. I'm sure if the Toronto plan fails Masai looks for a better opportunity anyway. There's no reason to trade him just yet as I see it. Continue to monitor his progress then when there's a chance to actually get some gains, make the trade. Wiggins has a depreciated value on the open market right now, selling at this point would be a horrible business decision.

...but you do realize his value could go down further? The only thing that has kept his value above some nominal figure is his age and athleticism (which we rarely see on display). But that is starting to fade as well now that we're 4+ years into his career with nothing but a pile of mediocrity to show for it.

The only way his value would go down further would be injury. That is the logical business realization. His value has reached the bottom because it is the beginning of his contract and he has yet to live up to the lofty expectations people have for him. Either way he is a legit NBA player and his real value will come to light as he moves closer to his next contract. We are so far away from that we right now that it would be silly to move without value, especially when this team has no direction anyway.

thedoper wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

thedoper wrote:The best trade partner for Wiggins will be Toronto next year after they lose Kawhi and they are going into rebuild mode. I'm sure if the Toronto plan fails Masai looks for a better opportunity anyway. There's no reason to trade him just yet as I see it. Continue to monitor his progress then when there's a chance to actually get some gains, make the trade. Wiggins has a depreciated value on the open market right now, selling at this point would be a horrible business decision.

...but you do realize his value could go down further? The only thing that has kept his value above some nominal figure is his age and athleticism (which we rarely see on display). But that is starting to fade as well now that we're 4+ years into his career with nothing but a pile of mediocrity to show for it.

The only way his value would go down further would be injury. That is the logical business realization. His value has reached the bottom because it is the beginning of his contract and he has yet to live up to the lofty expectations people have for him. Either way he is a legit NBA player and his real value will come to light as he moves closer to his next contract. We are so far away from that we right now that it would be silly to move without value, especially when this team has no direction anyway.

But he isn't playing for free! There is the opportunity cost of his salary. Could that money be better spent on a more productive player or players?

Q12543 wrote:

thedoper wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

thedoper wrote:The best trade partner for Wiggins will be Toronto next year after they lose Kawhi and they are going into rebuild mode. I'm sure if the Toronto plan fails Masai looks for a better opportunity anyway. There's no reason to trade him just yet as I see it. Continue to monitor his progress then when there's a chance to actually get some gains, make the trade. Wiggins has a depreciated value on the open market right now, selling at this point would be a horrible business decision.

...but you do realize his value could go down further? The only thing that has kept his value above some nominal figure is his age and athleticism (which we rarely see on display). But that is starting to fade as well now that we're 4+ years into his career with nothing but a pile of mediocrity to show for it.

The only way his value would go down further would be injury. That is the logical business realization. His value has reached the bottom because it is the beginning of his contract and he has yet to live up to the lofty expectations people have for him. Either way he is a legit NBA player and his real value will come to light as he moves closer to his next contract. We are so far away from that we right now that it would be silly to move without value, especially when this team has no direction anyway.

But he isn't playing for free! There is the opportunity cost of his salary. Could that money be better spent on a more productive player or players?

Looks like Myles Turner is getting 4 years 80 million. He may have actually took a step back last year and while he is a modern big in that he shots 3's unless you are really impactful bigs aren't getting a ton of money. The Pacers after last offseason get the benefit of the doubt but ultimately the way teams want wings I think Wiggins will have some teams or a team willing to give him a whirl. The Kings seem like a perfect spot. I'd bet the Kings would do a deal for Wiggins righty now if he was offered.

A smaller thing but the Wolves don't have their 2nd round pick this year as the final one to fulfill the trade for Tyus. They do have a pick coming to them from...the Heat. So if the Wolves make a deal with the Heat and make the Heat better they actually worsen that asset. It's not a huge deal but it should be something considered in those negotiations or at least when considering what assets you are getting out of the deal from the Wolves perspective.

As for this draft is SUPPOSEDLY not that strong. Shrug it's too early but one positive is this roster has potential for adding a number of young players (expiring deals) if we get more draft picks back in a deal for Butler or any other player.