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Trade for Jordan Hill
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:56 pm
by khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]
The Lakers are done now that Kobe is out. We should try to snag Hill from them as he would be a great fit as an athletic big between Love and Pek. He may not be a great rim protector, but he is a really good rebounder and can play either the 4/5 so we wouldn't be giving up so much size in the paint as we do when we roll with Love/DC. DC is an expiring which is what they would want back. We'd probably have to do a DC/Price/2nd rounder for Hill/Kelly to make the salaries work and roster sizes work. He only makes 3.5 million and we could probably retain him for a similar deal if it works out here and we do some more winning. He and Bud went to Arizona at the same time, so that could be a bonus in trying to keep him here. We need some better scoring at the rim on the second unit and he could give us some of that and he would probably benefit from playing with Ricky as well. I think this it the type of upgrade we need to make if we are serious about getting out of the first round of the playoffs. The backup bench production for our bigs is awful and this could bolster that weakness.
Re: Trade for Jordan Hill
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:00 pm
by JasonIsDaMan [enjin:7981157]
I have a Christmas wish.
I would like this board to go one month. Thirty one days. 744 hours. 44640 minutes. 2678400 seconds. Without, um, someone suggesting the the league's HIGHEST REVENUE TEAM would gladly trade one of its' two best players of that particular season, whom also happens to be playing on an expiring contract that is LESS THAN THE MLE, for two absolute scrubs and a pick that will be in the 40's. And I know I'm pushing it with that first request, but if I can be indulged with a second, I would also like that the board go one month (etc.) without, um, someone suggesting that said player having said good season is also desperate to then sign a deal that is worth same (or less, cross our fingers) as the one he is currently playing under.
I know Iran and Israel will be best of friends AND every homeless person will have a two bedroom condo before this happens, but it is my Christmas wish.
Re: Trade for Jordan Hill
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:10 pm
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
I've been wanting Jordan Hill for quite some time now.
Re: Trade for Jordan Hill
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:10 pm
by khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]
Ya dude, because so many teams are going to be willing to give up a first round pick in this draft for a bench big. There's no reason they would do this trade with the purpose of tanking to get another franchise player a la what the Spurs did with Duncan and Robinson because their only hope at the playoffs may not play another game for them this season after he just broke his knee. So if they can't get a first round pick and they need to tank to get another franchise player since they are old an injured right now, why wouldn't they trade him for another bench player and get a pick out of it? Nobody is giving them a first for Hill and they aren't going to take anything back that isn't expiring. They aren't going to want to get better as a result of trading their players, they are going to want assets be it expiring's or picks. It's called being a seller for a reason.
Re: Trade for Jordan Hill
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:38 pm
by Squishypoo [enjin:6648839]
Better chance of getting kaman from them.
Re: Trade for Jordan Hill
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:41 pm
by JasonIsDaMan [enjin:7981157]
khans2k5 wrote:Ya dude, because so many teams are going to be willing to give up a first round pick in this draft for a bench big. There's no reason they would do this trade with the purpose of tanking to get another franchise player a la what the Spurs did with Duncan and Robinson because their only hope at the playoffs may not play another game for them this season after he just broke his knee. So if they can't get a first round pick and they need to tank to get another franchise player since they are old an injured right now, why wouldn't they trade him for another bench player and get a pick out of it? Nobody is giving them a first for Hill and they aren't going to take anything back that isn't expiring. They aren't going to want to get better as a result of trading their players, they are going to want assets be it expiring's or picks. It's called being a seller for a reason.
Couple of things. They are currently 1/2 game back of MIN. Are you suggesting MIN be in "Tank mode" as well. And LAL doesn't have to trade anyone to tank, they can simply stop playing the good players.
This is what you do. You come up with some dumb trade that is either very one-sided for the Wolves, or my favorite, very one-sided in the other team's favor {like Pek for Eric Gordon and his history of being a suit-model, or that really neat ahughes' idea of getting Udoh from MIL}, then you write some sprawling nonsense of a paragraph about how some team is a contender (when they're not) or how some team is tanking (when they're not) or how two guys are friends (when you have NO IDEA).
And if you define "Seller" as giving away one of your two best players for a pick in the 40's, please post your address when you have a yard sale. I will gladly stop by to see if your TV is worth $10.
You really concerned about the Lakers? Come up with something that has Hill/Farmer going to OKC for Perkins/Their first.
Re: Trade for Jordan Hill
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:58 pm
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
JasonIsDaMan wrote:khans2k5 wrote:Ya dude, because so many teams are going to be willing to give up a first round pick in this draft for a bench big. There's no reason they would do this trade with the purpose of tanking to get another franchise player a la what the Spurs did with Duncan and Robinson because their only hope at the playoffs may not play another game for them this season after he just broke his knee. So if they can't get a first round pick and they need to tank to get another franchise player since they are old an injured right now, why wouldn't they trade him for another bench player and get a pick out of it? Nobody is giving them a first for Hill and they aren't going to take anything back that isn't expiring. They aren't going to want to get better as a result of trading their players, they are going to want assets be it expiring's or picks. It's called being a seller for a reason.
Couple of things. They are currently 1/2 game back of MIN. Are you suggesting MIN be in "Tank mode" as well. And LAL doesn't have to trade anyone to tank, they can simply stop playing the good players.
This is what you do. You come up with some dumb trade that is either very one-sided for the Wolves, or my favorite, very one-sided in the other team's favor {like Pek for Eric Gordon and his history of being a suit-model}, then you write some sprawling nonsense of a paragraph about how some team is a contender (when they're not) or how some team is tanking (when they're not) or how two guys are friends (when you have NO IDEA).
And if you define "Seller" as giving away one of your two best players for a pick in the 40's, please post your address when you have a yard sale. I will gladly stop by to see if your TV is worth $10.
You really concerned about the Lakers? Come up with something that has Hill/Farmer going to OKC for Perkins/Their first.
Don't know why you're killing the trade idea so harshly. Seemed okay for the Lakers, but I can understand if you think they could get better.
Also, LA's behind the Wolves and they're without a viable PG on the roster and without Kobe. That is not the same situation as the Wolves no matter how you would like to make it sound.
Re: Trade for Jordan Hill
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:20 pm
by JasonIsDaMan [enjin:7981157]
Camden wrote:JasonIsDaMan wrote:khans2k5 wrote:
Don't know why you're killing the trade idea so harshly. Seemed okay for the Lakers, but I can understand if you think they could get better.
Also, LA's behind the Wolves and they're without a viable PG on the roster and without Kobe. That is not the same situation as the Wolves no matter how you would like to make it sound.
We should probably clear this up: It is not up to me to approve or "kill" this idea. If I had that kind of power, I would use it for something big, like world peace and curing homelessness, or at least getting Mike Trout, Lebron James and Sidney Crosby to MIN.
And it's not up to me to "make it sound" like its' the "same situation". It's up to the Lakers, and there's been no indication that they do.
Re: Trade for Jordan Hill
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:46 pm
by khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]
First off, Gordon is averaging 15, 3, 3, and 1.5 steals while shooting 38.7% from 3 while starting every game this year. He may not be worth the full price tag, but he isn't the bum everyone made him out to be when I proposed the trade. This team will never win a title so long as Pek and Love are the main bigs because there isn't any rim protection and we had Ridnour at the 2 at the time, so ya, I would make that trade 10/10 times if it meant we actually made a play for a rim protector as a result of the trade which is what we still need..
Second off, the Lakers may not be sellers yet, but that's because Kobe just got hurt. They have 0% chance of making the playoffs in the West with Nick Young and Gasol being their 2 best players. They aren't a stupid franchise trying to squeak into the playoffs with an 8 seed. They have been a well run franchise for years, so I find it very hard to believe they won't be sellers at the deadline given how good the West is this year. If you think any team would give them a first for Hill, then you are kidding yourself with how deep this draft is supposed to be. Their not going to take on Perk when he has such a high priced deal guaranteed through next year. They aren't going to add any salary until after Lebron and Melo make their decisions, let alone a 9 million dollar bum. That's why getting a backup PG and PF make sense when they have Kaman there just waiting to play. They get a high pick because they are bad and 2 expirings still leaving the team wide open this offseason to sign another big player. The only teams in the West that are going to be worse than them this year are Sacramento and Utah. Everybody else is better and that will be shown in the final standings.
Your trade of Perk, his 9 million dollar salary for a 6 PER player guaranteed next year and a first for Hill is just as bad as a DC/Price/2nd round pick. Maybe you should pay attention to their situation a little more and realize how many players they actually have signed beyond this year before you have them trading for a 9 million dollar bum just to get an almost dead last first round pick for a guy 3 times as productive at 3 times less the cost. At least DC and Price would be worth playing unlike Perk.
Re: Trade for Jordan Hill
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:40 am
by khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]
Is DC/Bazz/2nd round pick for Hill a better value for you? We still get the backup big we need and they get a lottery pick and a 2nd round pick. That's more than they'll probably get from anybody else.