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I wonder how these two would work together. Pekovic clog the lane or would they just out offensive rebound everyone?

Idk but hopefully we find out soon.

bleedspeed177 wrote:I wonder how these two would work together. Pekovic clog the lane or would they just out offensive rebound everyone?

I don't think it's a great fit. They are both ballstoppers who get most of their points close to the basket, and I suspect might interfere with each other. That's why I prefer Shabazz as instant offense off the bench while keeping Pek out there with the starters. Even though Corey is not ideally cut out to be a starter, I see him as our best option currently at starting SF. Love and Pek provide great offensive rebounding for our starting unit, and I really liked how a second unit front court of Deing, Dante and Shabazz pounded the offensive boards against Portland (I didn't see the Suns game). A healthy Turiaf and Luc would work well on the offensive boards with Muhammad too.

longstrangetrip wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:I wonder how these two would work together. Pekovic clog the lane or would they just out offensive rebound everyone?

I don't think it's a great fit. They are both ballstoppers who get most of their points close to the basket, and I suspect might interfere with each other. That's why I prefer Shabazz as instant offense off the bench while keeping Pek out there with the starters. Even though Corey is not ideally cut out to be a starter, I see him as our best option currently at starting SF. Love and Pek provide great offensive rebounding for our starting unit, and I really liked how a second unit front court of Deing, Dante and Shabazz pounded the offensive boards against Portland (I didn't see the Suns game). A healthy Turiaf and Luc would work well on the offensive boards with Muhammad too.

I'd agree with some of this, but I won't rule out Shabazz being able to play with the starters effectively. The rest of them need shots, so this means Shabazz can be an opportunistic scorer like he was against Phoenix (cuts, putbacks, flashes to the basket in post; high/low action with Love, etc.). He'd also make our frontcourt as dominate on the offensive glass as it gets, in my opinion. You and I would both agree that he is probably the better shooter out of him and Corey, so there's that as well in terms of floor spacing. I would assume that Shabazz knows his place in the offense being behind Love/Martin/Pek in shots. He's also much stronger and thicker than Corey so he can match the body types of other SFs better than Corey, though Brewer's a better defender right now.

If he plays at a high level the rest of the season, I would seriously consider letting Shabazz get some starts. That's just me, though, because we know Adelman wouldn't dare doing something different unless his hand is forced (Martin and Bud/Brewer hurt).

Camden wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:I wonder how these two would work together. Pekovic clog the lane or would they just out offensive rebound everyone?

I don't think it's a great fit. They are both ballstoppers who get most of their points close to the basket, and I suspect might interfere with each other. That's why I prefer Shabazz as instant offense off the bench while keeping Pek out there with the starters. Even though Corey is not ideally cut out to be a starter, I see him as our best option currently at starting SF. Love and Pek provide great offensive rebounding for our starting unit, and I really liked how a second unit front court of Deing, Dante and Shabazz pounded the offensive boards against Portland (I didn't see the Suns game). A healthy Turiaf and Luc would work well on the offensive boards with Muhammad too.

I'd agree with some of this, but I won't rule out Shabazz being able to play with the starters effectively. The rest of them need shots, so this means Shabazz can be an opportunistic scorer like he was against Phoenix (cuts, putbacks, flashes to the basket in post; high/low action with Love, etc.). He'd also make our frontcourt as dominate on the offensive glass as it gets, in my opinion. You and I would both agree that he is probably the better shooter out of him and Corey, so there's that as well in terms of floor spacing. I would assume that Shabazz knows his place in the offense being behind Love/Martin/Pek in shots. He's also much stronger and thicker than Corey so he can match the body types of other SFs better than Corey, though Brewer's a better defender right now.

If he plays at a high level the rest of the season, I would seriously consider letting Shabazz get some starts. That's just me, though, because we know Adelman wouldn't dare doing something different unless his hand is forced (Martin and Bud/Brewer hurt).

ehhh the starters are the wolves biggest strength by far, I wouldn't want to mess that up. Bazz has shown to put up a lot of shots when he's in. Do you really want him taking shots away from Love/Pek/Martin? Offensive rebounding is a nice skill to have, but a small one that doesn't translate on a nightly basis

how does offensive rebounding not transfer on a nightly basis?

also why is it such a small skill?

BloopOracle wrote:how does offensive rebounding not transfer on a nightly basis?

also why is it such a small skill?

If I was on a video game on a make-a-player mode, and I only had a certain amount of points to give out, I would point those points ahead of offensive rebounding...

Scoring
Defense
Passing
Defensive rebounding
steals

So behind everything except for blocks, which is the most overrated skill there is

alexftbl8181 wrote:

Camden wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:I wonder how these two would work together. Pekovic clog the lane or would they just out offensive rebound everyone?

I don't think it's a great fit. They are both ballstoppers who get most of their points close to the basket, and I suspect might interfere with each other. That's why I prefer Shabazz as instant offense off the bench while keeping Pek out there with the starters. Even though Corey is not ideally cut out to be a starter, I see him as our best option currently at starting SF. Love and Pek provide great offensive rebounding for our starting unit, and I really liked how a second unit front court of Deing, Dante and Shabazz pounded the offensive boards against Portland (I didn't see the Suns game). A healthy Turiaf and Luc would work well on the offensive boards with Muhammad too.

I'd agree with some of this, but I won't rule out Shabazz being able to play with the starters effectively. The rest of them need shots, so this means Shabazz can be an opportunistic scorer like he was against Phoenix (cuts, putbacks, flashes to the basket in post; high/low action with Love, etc.). He'd also make our frontcourt as dominate on the offensive glass as it gets, in my opinion. You and I would both agree that he is probably the better shooter out of him and Corey, so there's that as well in terms of floor spacing. I would assume that Shabazz knows his place in the offense being behind Love/Martin/Pek in shots. He's also much stronger and thicker than Corey so he can match the body types of other SFs better than Corey, though Brewer's a better defender right now.

If he plays at a high level the rest of the season, I would seriously consider letting Shabazz get some starts. That's just me, though, because we know Adelman wouldn't dare doing something different unless his hand is forced (Martin and Bud/Brewer hurt).

ehhh the starters are the wolves biggest strength by far, I wouldn't want to mess that up. Bazz has shown to put up a lot of shots when he's in. Do you really want him taking shots away from Love/Pek/Martin? Offensive rebounding is a nice skill to have, but a small one that doesn't translate on a nightly basis

I agree the Wolves starters are our strength, but I'd argue that's more because of Love/Pek/Martin/Rubio than it is Brewer, and I love what Brewer's done this year. I don't see Shabazz messing anything up as a unit. If Hummel can get a spot start and our offense still produce at a high level, why can't Shabazz? And I don't see him taking away shots from those guys, like I already said. If you watched the Phoenix game, he played very well with Rubio/Love. They made him better as most would expect. If anything, I think the shots he would take would be better than the ones Brewer takes considering he's the better shooter. Though, Corey's a very good cutter and transition player so that could be argued against me.

Offensive rebounding is a small skill? I disagree heavily. Being dominant on the glass translates every single game and is vital to being a winning team unless you have LeBron James on your team. You should explain what you meant there or argue it further because I don't think anyone would agree that offensive rebounding is a small skill "that doesn't translate on a nightly basis."

alexftbl8181 wrote:

BloopOracle wrote:how does offensive rebounding not transfer on a nightly basis?

also why is it such a small skill?

If I was on a video game on a make-a-player mode, and I only had a certain amount of points to give out, I would point those points ahead of offensive rebounding...

Scoring
Defense
Passing
Defensive rebounding
steals

So behind everything except for blocks, which is the most overrated skill there is

ok, so how then does it not transfer?

BloopOracle wrote:

alexftbl8181 wrote:

BloopOracle wrote:how does offensive rebounding not transfer on a nightly basis?

also why is it such a small skill?

If I was on a video game on a make-a-player mode, and I only had a certain amount of points to give out, I would point those points ahead of offensive rebounding...

Scoring
Defense
Passing
Defensive rebounding
steals

So behind everything except for blocks, which is the most overrated skill there is

ok, so how then does it not transfer?

A good offensive rebounder is considered to get around 2-3 offensive rebounds a game. Actually probably less for SF like Bazz. So your talking about 2 boards on a good night. A team gets around 90-100 possessions a game. So 2% of the game. Small sample size. Nice skill yes, but I wouldn't give someone time because he's a good offsensive rebounder when he can't do things like pass or defend