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bleedspeed177 wrote:That is not saying much. I am sure they would like to push Sloter. The guys they are looking at don't seem like much to me.


I'd guess most of the guys they are looking at are guys that unless they are really impressed with a workout or something they probably give them a bit of guaranteed money to give them another option Incase Sloter isn't ready or cuts his foot on a glass door or...just remember there likely was a real chance if guys were healthy and played reasonably well...Keenum doesn't even make the final roster in 2017. That was a crazy season. Fun fact Heinicke turned 26 in March. It seems like he should be older than that. Jeff Diamond on his podcast with Souhan brought up that Brad Johnson played some in NFL Europe and he improved because of that experience and the Vikings benefited from that.
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Wow! I thought Heinicke was older. Sloter is a guy I think would have room for development. He doesn't have a lot of experience. I wonder if they don't like something about his focus or work ethic.
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bleedspeed177 wrote:Wow! I thought Heinicke was older. Sloter is a guy I think would have room for development. He doesn't have a lot of experience. I wonder if they don't like something about his focus or work ethic.


I know it's just media but last training camp etc most of them said Sloter did not look good in practices etc. They said when it was preseason games yeah he looked better but before that not so much. So there might be something there.

Again the guy played less than a season of college QB and hasn't played a snap of NFL football. Meanwhile they signed Mannion for 900k (no word yet on the guaranteed amount) and he played all 4 years in college for Mile Riley who runs a pro style offense and Mannion has a little NFL experience actually playing games. Sloter likely has way more physical talent and might have more talent otherwise but Mannion has been actually playing the position for years. I won't be shocked if Mannion doesn't make the roster though. Even if they guaranteed his whole salary (doubtful) 900k is easy enough to cut if you find someone else you like better. Also sure the Rams didn't keep him but they did develop him (McVay!!!) and they signed Blake Bortles as their backup. Even if they thought Mannion was kinda decent Bortles is likely a pretty big upgrade especially for a team trying to win a superowl. It seems like the Vikings are going after some guys for cheap at this point which is what they should be doing especially given their salary constraints.
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I am to the point if Sloter has to play and he sucks we are rebuilding anyway. Mannion career seems like one of perfect for a future coach.
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My 4/11 - Mock - Part 1.

1st Round - Pick 18 - Cody Ford - RG
No top 10 players dropped so I was able to focus on the OL. If one of the Iowa TE's is here I would have a difficult time passing them up. The board worked out that I could choose between Cody Ford, Jonah Williams, and Bradbury. I eliminated Bradbury due to him only being a center. Johan Willaims could play anywhere and is a scheme fit, but I decide I wanted a mauler that can play in the zone system and picked up Cody Ford. He projects to RG/RT. When I think about 2019 I wonder why I didn't draft Johan Willaims and stick him at LG and leave him there since we have a huge hole there right now.

2nd Round - Pick 50 - Michael Deiter - LG
The OL started to fly off the board after I picked and was worried I wouldn't have a chance to grab another one. Nobody dropped that would have needed to pick based on BPA. I had some options at DT here but went with OL since the pickings for day 1 starters are drying up. Michael Deiter is 6'6" and 330lbs and can move. Pairing him with Cody Ford at RG we have added 680ls of moving company up front. Things are looking up on the OL

3rd Round - Pick 81 - Renell Wren - DT
I was debating Renell Wren in round 2. Klahen Saunders and David Wise were my plan in this round, but Wren is a level above them. I see him starting at 3-Tech his rookie year. I was thinking I could go WR here, but my target or Riley Ridley was off the board.

4th Round - Pick 120 - Kahale Warring - TE
Went into this round thinking CB, WR, and TE. I looked at the board and Warring was the last big play TE left. He has WR speed, TE Size, and good hands. He has not played the position long and will only get better.

5th Round - No Pick
It was tough watching players come off the board. Lamount Gailard - C and Sean Bunting - CB, and Maxx Crosby - DE are guys I wanted to see fall.

6th Round - Pick 190 Trayveon Williams - RB
I was shocked he was here. He is a good pass blocker, receiver, and good backup to Cook. I was targeting CB or WR here but had to pick him up. Mike Weber has been a back I would pick in the past, but he has been available in the 7th in other mocks.

6th Round - Pick 209 - Jamel Dean - CB
Needing a CB and WR. Penny Hart and KeeSean Johnson were my WR targets. Both are gone so I look at CB. Jamel is going to be Zimmers project. He is 6'2" 200lb corner with 4.3 speed, 41 inch vertical, elite shuttle. He has shown flashes. Time to let the secondary whisperer whisper.

7th Round - Pick 247 - Miles Boykin - WR
Needed a WR. Mlies Boykin was Notre Dames top WR. He is a monster at 6'4" and 220lbs. He has good hands with a 1 handed 55-yard catch in Citrus Bowl. Ran the 40 in 4.4 with 43.5" vertical and great shuttle. He needs help with his routes but gives us a deep option that will help Thelin and Diggs work underneath.

7th Round - Pick 250 - Donnell Greene - OT
The former Gopher is a 3-year starter at LT and is huge at 6'7" and 335lbs. He is good in space and screens. He can clear things out in the running game. I would project him as an RT, but needs to get better at pass blocking.

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This draft would fix the OL today and for years to come. I could see O'Neill and Reiff switching sides. We hit on a lot of positions. I like Warring as a Rudolph replace hin 2020. Trayveon Williams gives us a solid backup RB.
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My 4/11 - Mock - Part 2

1st Round - Pick 18 - Noah Fant - TE
He is a top 10 talent and we could use him as starting TE or 3rd WR. His receiving skills are elite. It doesn't hurt he is faster than some top WRs in this draft.

2nd Round - Pick 50 - Michael Deiter - LG
I was only thinking OL after getting a TE. The OL started to fly off the board after I picked and was worried I wouldn't have a chance to grab one. Michael Deiter is 6'6" and 330lbs and can move. He will be our LG. He is a former TE that has played a lot of LT, but projects as a good guard in NFL.

3rd Round - Pick 81 - Renell Wren - DT
I was debating Renell Wren in round 2. Klahen Saunders and David Wise were my plan in this round, but Wren is a level above them. I see him starting at 3-Tech his rookie year. I was thinking I could go WR here, but my target or Riley Ridley was off the board.

4th Round - Pick 120 - Lamont Gaillard - C
Debated doubling up on TEs here and drafting Warring. This is my last pick for 70 choices so I am not happy with OL yet so I reached for Lamont Gailard. He will push Elfein and be given a year to grow and maybe move Elfein to RG in 2020.

5th Round - No Pick
It was tough watching players come off the board. Sean Bunting - CB and Maxx Crosby - DE are guys I wanted to see fall.

6th Round - Pick 190 Mecole Hardman - WR
Crazy fast WR. Think Cheifs Tyreek Hil upside. He should be gone at this point. He is shifty with 4.3 speed and 36.5 vert. He is on the small side at 5'10" and 187lbs but gives another option as KR and PR.

6th Round - Pick 209 - Jamel Dean - CB
Needing a CB Jamel is going to be Zimmers project. He is 6'2" 200lb corner with 4.3 speed, 41 inch vertical, elite shuttle. He has shown flashes. Time to let the secondary whisperer whisper.

7th Round - Pick 247 - Cortez Broughton - DT
He dominated at the Senior Bowl. The 6'2" 290lb pounder would be a good stash on the PS in year one. I also considered Mike Weber the RB from Ohio State here, but figured I would look for him as a UDFA.

7th Round - Pick 250 - Donnell Greene - OT
The former Gopher is a 3-year starter at LT and is huge at 6'7" and 335lbs. He is good in space and screens. He can clear things out in the running game. I would project him as an RT but needs to get better at pass blocking.

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I was curious how this draft would play out going TE in first. The OL got help, but not sure it is fixed. I have a lot of overlap from my Part 1. I do like Mecole Hardman a lot as the first pick in 6th round here. He was not an option on the other draft. I think he would be a contributor early for us and more so than my backup RB in part 1.

Which do you like better? Part 1 or 2?
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I keep seeing Jonah Williams falling to us. I would be very happy to get him at 18. He is the one guy that would be both a great value and fit at 18. The draft is only 2 weeks away. We need to nail some picks. I saw the "A" draft on ESPN had us taking OL/DT/RB in the first 3 rounds. I am not sold on that plan.

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After making some moves grabbing some Olinemen this offseason I think Zimmer now feels comfortable doing what he always does and focuses on Defense. If Bush somehow makes it to us he'll snatch him up. Otherwise there's 2 or 3 DTs worth snatching up. I think they feel good enough about who's available in the second round to wait till then to get another Olinemen. Hopefully Deiter is there. After that look for them to find another rb, safety, DE ( Griffen is tough to rely on now) and a cornerback or two to mold.
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Pork - I was thinking I doubt they go Bush if he falls, but honestly, I think he and the 2 Iowa TE's are big enough game changers to take over OL. The DT's that make sense are all gone when I was using the simulator.

I could see Zimmer figuring out a way to use 3 LB's. I wonder if we would go 3 man fronts on passing downs if we drafted Bush.

Even though I love what we could do with Bush. If Zimmer thinks we are set at the OL and we have another poor year it is time to fire him.
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bleedspeed177 wrote:Pork - I was thinking I doubt they go Bush if he falls, but honestly, I think he and the 2 Iowa TE's are big enough game changers to take over OL. The DT's that make sense are all gone when I was using the simulator.

I could see Zimmer figuring out a way to use 3 LB's. I wonder if we would go 3 man fronts on passing downs if we drafted Bush.

Even though I love what we could do with Bush. If Zimmer thinks we are set at the OL and we have another poor year it is time to fire him.

It's my gut feeling on how Zimmer will approach the draft. My opinion is if your gonna pay top dollar for a QB you better spend all your resources protecting him and putting skill players around him. We have a lot of money invested in players that haven't gotten it done when it counts. Hopefully this draft finds the last couple pieces.
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