PorkChop wrote:Cousins has been the most successful qb the Vikings have had in the last 40 years statistically speaking and they have won a playoff game with him. For all his warts if he had a top ten OLine this Offense would explode. Shore up the O line with a vet, draft a DT, DE and get an experienced Cb and lets see what happens.
Today I happened to notice the Browns oline PFF scores. If I remember right 4 of 5 of their Olineman were all top 10 including the top overall rated guard and 2nd best C. Their rookie tackle was rated like 60th that was their only poor ranked guy and they graded out as the best pass blocking and run blocking unit in the NFL. Vikings? 28th overall which I am a little surprised it's THAT low.
PorkChop wrote:Cousins has been the most successful qb the Vikings have had in the last 40 years statistically speaking and they have won a playoff game with him. For all his warts if he had a top ten OLine this Offense would explode. Shore up the O line with a vet, draft a DT, DE and get an experienced Cb and lets see what happens.
Today I happened to notice the Browns oline PFF scores. If I remember right 4 of 5 of their Olineman were all top 10 including the top overall rated guard and 2nd best C. Their rookie tackle was rated like 60th that was their only poor ranked guy and they graded out as the best pass blocking and run blocking unit in the NFL. Vikings? 28th overall which I am a little surprised it's THAT low.
You have to look at where we have talent on offense. Cook, Jefferson, Thielen and I guess Cousins to some extent. The OLine is probably the 28th ranked and deservedly so. We know in games where we trailed and had to pass every down they simply get blown up. Lots of bootlegs, PA, etc to help them.
I would consider the two option. Either trade Cousins if some team offers a worthy deal then look to draft a QB high or look at OLine in either the 1st or 2nd. Maybe even FA if we can somehow find a value guy.
UNDER PRESSURE: 91.5 passer rating, +3.8% completion rate above expectation, 58.1% completion rate.
Cousins was a stud under pressure in the earliest years of NGS tracking, which helped destroy a narrative of him being average at the absolute best. But thanks to a play-action offense built out of an emphatic rushing attack led by Dalvin Cook, Cousins doesn't face as much pressure as he once did. Even with that considered, he still lands in the top five of most under-pressure metrics. His passer rating under pressure was fifth-best, his completion percentage under pressure was fourth-best and his completion percentage above expectation while pressured was also in the top five. You won't often see Cousins' name mentioned among the Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes of the league, but he has the numbers to back it up.
-42.4 difference in PFF passing grade when pressured, 36% pressure rate
It is no secret that the Vikings have had their fair share of struggles along the offensive line. Their plan to circumvent that last season was a heavy dose of play action and plays that got Cousins outside of the pocket on designed rollouts. Cousins had some success with that gameplan, but pressure still caused him trouble. His clean-pocket passing grade was tied for first in the NFL with Russell Wilson and Ryan Tannehill among qualifying quarterbacks, but his pressured passing grade of 51.0 ranked 16th among 32 qualifying quarterbacks.
It fits the current narrative surrounding Cousins. When things are going well, he looks good. When they're not, you don't have a whole lot of confidence in him rising above the poor situation.
UNDER PRESSURE: 91.5 passer rating, +3.8% completion rate above expectation, 58.1% completion rate.
Cousins was a stud under pressure in the earliest years of NGS tracking, which helped destroy a narrative of him being average at the absolute best. But thanks to a play-action offense built out of an emphatic rushing attack led by Dalvin Cook, Cousins doesn't face as much pressure as he once did. Even with that considered, he still lands in the top five of most under-pressure metrics. His passer rating under pressure was fifth-best, his completion percentage under pressure was fourth-best and his completion percentage above expectation while pressured was also in the top five. You won't often see Cousins' name mentioned among the Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes of the league, but he has the numbers to back it up.
-42.4 difference in PFF passing grade when pressured, 36% pressure rate
It is no secret that the Vikings have had their fair share of struggles along the offensive line. Their plan to circumvent that last season was a heavy dose of play action and plays that got Cousins outside of the pocket on designed rollouts. Cousins had some success with that gameplan, but pressure still caused him trouble. His clean-pocket passing grade was tied for first in the NFL with Russell Wilson and Ryan Tannehill among qualifying quarterbacks, but his pressured passing grade of 51.0 ranked 16th among 32 qualifying quarterbacks.
It fits the current narrative surrounding Cousins. When things are going well, he looks good. When they're not, you don't have a whole lot of confidence in him rising above the poor situation.
So you have posted 2 articles about the 2019 season. One article said their stats stats say Cousins was good against pressure. The other said their numbers said he was not good. So which one was it? :) Should I believe any of these number for this last season when they come out? I'm not knocking you Wolves fan thanks for posting there are both interesting articles.
Side note: I like advanced stats but I also think in the NFL they are more tricky than other sports. There are so many more variables than say basketball or baseball it's much more difficult to nail down things.
UNDER PRESSURE: 91.5 passer rating, +3.8% completion rate above expectation, 58.1% completion rate.
Cousins was a stud under pressure in the earliest years of NGS tracking, which helped destroy a narrative of him being average at the absolute best. But thanks to a play-action offense built out of an emphatic rushing attack led by Dalvin Cook, Cousins doesn't face as much pressure as he once did. Even with that considered, he still lands in the top five of most under-pressure metrics. His passer rating under pressure was fifth-best, his completion percentage under pressure was fourth-best and his completion percentage above expectation while pressured was also in the top five. You won't often see Cousins' name mentioned among the Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes of the league, but he has the numbers to back it up.
-42.4 difference in PFF passing grade when pressured, 36% pressure rate
It is no secret that the Vikings have had their fair share of struggles along the offensive line. Their plan to circumvent that last season was a heavy dose of play action and plays that got Cousins outside of the pocket on designed rollouts. Cousins had some success with that gameplan, but pressure still caused him trouble. His clean-pocket passing grade was tied for first in the NFL with Russell Wilson and Ryan Tannehill among qualifying quarterbacks, but his pressured passing grade of 51.0 ranked 16th among 32 qualifying quarterbacks.
It fits the current narrative surrounding Cousins. When things are going well, he looks good. When they're not, you don't have a whole lot of confidence in him rising above the poor situation.
So you have posted 2 articles about the 2019 season. One article said their stats stats say Cousins was good against pressure. The other said their numbers said he was not good. So which one was it? :) Should I believe any of these number for this last season when they come out? I'm not knocking you Wolves fan thanks for posting there are both interesting articles.
Side note: I like advanced stats but I also think in the NFL they are more tricky than other sports. There are so many more variables than say basketball or baseball it's much more difficult to nail down things.
One had him 16th under pressure and the other 5th.
Actually both better then I assumed and the second one said his passer rated while not pressured was 1st. So I was actually making a bit of a case to keep Cousins and that the OLine needs improvement.
As far as the difference for sure, it's a gray area wether a QB is under pressure or not which is why the stats can be fuzzy.
bleedspeed177 wrote:I am hoping Wentz ends up with the Colts. I think he can thrive there again.
You get your wish. 3rd round this year and a 2nd next year that could turn into a 1st next year. I think that's a good deal for the Eagles and a creative structure to the deal. Also means the Colts can keep building this year only having to give up a 3rd rounder.
Also it won't happen but a 1st round pick and a 3rd for Cousins would be a nice haul and I think Cousins is more valuable than Wentz at this point so maybe return would be higher. On the other hand it's possible none of the top QBs are there at 14 and maybe the Vikings are forced to give up a lot to go up and get a guy...which might erase some of the draft capital of moving on from Cousins. If you get the right guy great but if you whiff it would be pretty rough. The other option would be sign whoever they liked the best that is a FA.
I hope Wentz wins MVP in 2021. This trade was supposed to be holding up other moves. I am not sure who is next. What will the Bears do now?
I think a good number of Vikings fans would trade Cousins, but it would be crazy since we have no plan B or C on the roster. Who are the free agent QB's? Would you have interest in Cam Newton or Jameis Winston?
I predict Watson ends up with Dolphins. That could be a win-win for both if the Dolphins don't have to give up to many picks. They need to hit on a WR in this draft.
I hope Wentz wins MVP in 2021. This trade was supposed to be holding up other moves. I am not sure who is next. What will the Bears do now?
I think a good number of Vikings fans would trade Cousins, but it would be crazy since we have no plan B or C on the roster. Who are the free agent QB's? Would you have interest in Cam Newton or Jameis Winston?
I predict Watson ends up with Dolphins. That could be a win-win for both if the Dolphins don't have to give up to many picks. They need to hit on a WR in this draft.
I believe Cam Newton is still a talented guy but it has to be the right offense...which make it sound like he isn't good but it means you need to take advantage of his strengths. The Vikings aren't going to do that and I'm fine with that. Winston might be fine. Heck I'd sign Fitzpatrick as a bridge guy especially if we could get him for relatively cheap. How much is a guy like Winston going to cost? Is it going to be Teddy money or more like top backup money?
Here is another question how likely would you be to want to trade Cousins if he did some sort of meaningful restructure to give the Vikings some more ability to build/keep guys on the roster? Let's Say Cousins restructures and was making say like 25 million a year (I know that's a little optimistic) the next 2 seasons would people be as willing to move on? That's something we don't know but the Vikings probably have a bit of an idea about it.
