Jesters Annual offseason Plan 2021 Season edition

[Jester1534]

So we thought Twins had about 50 mil to spend

8mil simmions
8 mil Happ
13 mil Cruz
2 mil Robles

I got 1/4 right lol

That puts them at 31 million but I realized looking back at cam and I projections we didn't put the 10 mil of incentive money in Maeda contract.

So the twins have about 9 mil to spend. I would use it on bullpen arms like Colome and Soria. I worry about Rogers in 9th inning with all those righty bats against the white Sox's.

If they could get Paxton on one year 12-13 million dollar deal that would be phenomenal.

What would you guys do with there last 10 mil

[FNG]

So we thought Twins had about 50 mil to spend

8mil simmions
8 mil Happ
13 mil Cruz
2 mil Robles

I got 1/4 right lol

That puts them at 31 million but I realized looking back at cam and I projections we didn't put the 10 mil of incentive money in Maeda contract.

So the twins have about 9 mil to spend. I would use it on bullpen arms like Colome and Soria. I worry about Rogers in 9th inning with all those righty bats against the white Sox's.

If they could get Paxton on one year 12-13 million dollar deal that would be phenomenal.

What would you guys do with there last 10 mil

I don't know offhand what I would do, jester, but I'm delighted with the offseason so far. Seth Stohs says the Twins are still pursuing both another starter and another reliever, so I suspect ownership might have authorized more than the $50 million you projected. And I like it.

I love how this team is positioned this year, and despite the surging White Sox, I fully expect another division championship. Cruz will likely drop off at age 40-41, but he brings so much more to this club than his enormous production. There's no question that he is a positive influence on the club, and especially the Latin players like Sano. And the left side of our infield will be the best in baseball.

[Monster]

Getting a Cruz back for a single year at 13 million sounds like a great deal to me. I could see them having a decent chunk of money to spend still. They haven't exactly broken the bank on any of their signings and if their young players show they are ready they have much cheaper replacements for guys they signed this offseason to 1 year deals which may mean they might be willing to expand what they may be willing to spend this season.

Not every move works out but this front office seems to do pretty well in getting value when it comes to FAs in terms of contracts. If they show they can develop starting pitching in the organization this team will be successful for quite a while.

[Jester1534]

Bring on the Colome for 6.5 mil and with the ever rare mutual option the next year for 5.25.

Colome is odd duck with his low hr/9 and .81 era. Yet he has fip in low 4s. He's either a mastermind at ground balls or the luckiest pitcher in the league.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Love the Alex Colome signing. And I thought Hansel Robles was a value signing weeks ago as well. I think Minnesota should have matched what was offered to Trevor May -- perhaps they did and he just wanted to go back to the East Coast -- but I think this bullpen is improved nonetheless. I'll take Colome, Rogers, and Robles at the back end over Rogers, May, and Romo.

I think the Twins still need to sign a quality starting pitcher -- Jake Odorizzi or James Paxton, ideally -- and then see if Tyler Clippard wants to return on another cheap one year deal. I'd call that a successful off-season even without any real blockbuster moves.

[Monster]

Love the Alex Colome signing. And I thought Hansel Robles was a value signing weeks ago as well. I think Minnesota should have matched what was offered to Trevor May -- perhaps they did and he just wanted to go back to the East Coast -- but I think this bullpen is improved nonetheless. I'll take Colome, Rogers, and Robles at the back end over Rogers, May, and Romo.

I think the Twins still need to sign a quality starting pitcher -- Jake Odorizzi or James Paxton, ideally -- and then see if Tyler Clippard wants to return on another cheap one year deal. I'd call that a successful off-season even without any real blockbuster moves.

The fact that they got Colome for significantly less than May makes me wonder who else they can get. I also would have been fine with them paying May though but it seems they knew what they were doing not paying him.

[Jester1534]

Love the Alex Colome signing. And I thought Hansel Robles was a value signing weeks ago as well. I think Minnesota should have matched what was offered to Trevor May -- perhaps they did and he just wanted to go back to the East Coast -- but I think this bullpen is improved nonetheless. I'll take Colome, Rogers, and Robles at the back end over Rogers, May, and Romo.

I think the Twins still need to sign a quality starting pitcher -- Jake Odorizzi or James Paxton, ideally -- and then see if Tyler Clippard wants to return on another cheap one year deal. I'd call that a successful off-season even without any real blockbuster moves.

The fact that they got Colome for significantly less than May makes me wonder who else they can get. I also would have been fine with them paying May though but it seems they knew what they were doing not paying him.

All about strike out numbers. Give me Colome any day of the week over May.

As for May Leaving remember he's never gotten a pay day. He lost his last big arbitration year due to Covid. He came up later in his career so this was his one chance to get paid.

I also think the twins are done. The only thing I could see them doing is signing Paxton to a one year deal.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

I also think the twins are done. The only thing I could see them doing is signing Paxton to a one year deal.

I sure hope not. This team can't afford to take a step backwards in terms of the starting rotation, and that's exactly what they'd be doing if they let Jake Odorizzi and Rich Hill go only to replace them with J.A. Happ in free agency. That's also assuming that Randy Dobnak would be their fifth starting pitcher. That's not going to get it done, in my opinion. Minnesota has to sign or trade for another quality arm and as of right now there's still a handful of them perceived to be available.

[Jester1534]

I also think the twins are done. The only thing I could see them doing is signing Paxton to a one year deal.

I sure hope not. This team can't afford to take a step backwards in terms of the starting rotation, and that's exactly what they'd be doing if they let Jake Odorizzi and Rich Hill go only to replace them with J.A. Happ in free agency. That's also assuming that Randy Dobnak would be their fifth starting pitcher. That's not going to get it done, in my opinion. Minnesota has to sign or trade for another quality arm and as of right now there's still a handful of them perceived to be available.

Cam I still think you value Odo way higher than me.

If you look at the numbers Happ is very good replacement for him.

JA Happ 2020
3.47 era
7.66 K/9
1.46 Hr/9
3.47 FIp

Odo 2019 all star year
3.51 ERA
10.08 K/9
.91 Hr/9
3.36 FIP

Now you could say Happ had a bad 2019 but he was banged up. The same way Odo was banged up last year.

His 2020 numbers is what he's done 4 out of the last 5 years pitching in the AL East. Also I'm sure Wes Johnson will work his magic on him as well.

Happ has been way more durable than Odo the last 5 years. The only reason he's not getting a 3 year 39 mil contract is that he's 38 years old.

I think rotation is fine till the trade deadline. The only impact pitcher on market that could help this team in playoffs is Bauer and that's not happening. I like Paxton because if he returns to form he could be impact pitcher. It's the same reason why I wanted Kluber.

I would put money down that PECOTA projections come out in the next week or two the staff will be in top 10 if not top 5 rotation in baseball.

[FNG]

Love the Alex Colome signing. And I thought Hansel Robles was a value signing weeks ago as well. I think Minnesota should have matched what was offered to Trevor May -- perhaps they did and he just wanted to go back to the East Coast -- but I think this bullpen is improved nonetheless. I'll take Colome, Rogers, and Robles at the back end over Rogers, May, and Romo.

I think the Twins still need to sign a quality starting pitcher -- Jake Odorizzi or James Paxton, ideally -- and then see if Tyler Clippard wants to return on another cheap one year deal. I'd call that a successful off-season even without any real blockbuster moves.

Yeah, I really love this offseason. I said yesterday Cruz brings so much more than terrific production, and there's no question re-signing him was instrumental in Colome accepting our offer the next day. I've always liked Colome...the movement on his cutter and fastball draws a lot of bad contact, and I think he is going to thrive with our elite defense behind him. And I actually had forgotten about the Robles signing. If he can figure out why he lost his velocity last season, we will have an outstanding back of the bullpen.

I'm on the fence about signing Odo. Can he continue to get outs with that rising fastball that doesn't look overpowering at all? I guess it's the Pohlads' money, so let's sign him and let him battle it out with Dobnak for the 5th spot in a solid rotation.

Top-shelf lineup and bench, elite defense, a solid rotation (with even a true #1 if Maeda can repeat what he did last year) and an impressive bullpen...what's not to like? Can't wait to get this season started!