Screw Eddie maybe if you walked at all you would get paid. I would bet money that Eddie will be out of the majors by age 33/34. The only reason you got rbis cause you hit 4th in one best line ups in baseball for some reason. I'm few whiskey in so I'm fired up bitching to my pops about this but to me Eddie is most overated twin of all time.
The difference is when Sano got paid he was coming off a pretty nice season. He wasn't exactly great last year. Rosario is an ok player I get why he is a little frustrated but it's simply not hard to see why the Twins moved on. Sano could face a similar fate in a couple years if he is just ok and the Twins have multiple guys that can take his spot. Ultimately Rosario landed in a pretty good spot with a team that needs him and 8 million is a pretty solid payday. If he plays well he will get another contract. Meanwhile he and Sano patched things up so it's all good. Lol
Camden0916 wrote:What free agent available increases the Twins' ceiling the most? It's James Paxton, right? When he's on he's a strong No. 2 in a contending rotation. That's the move I think I'm hoping for most.
That's the dream. If he's healthy he's bonafide 1/2. The problem is he's never healthy.
Can anyone tell me if he has ever pitched an entire season? It doesn't look like it when I looked up the stats.
No but I think he missed only month in 2019.
Side note ozuna signed a 4 year 16 mil today with the braves. Man I kind of wish we would gotten him over Cruz. I was thinking he was getting 18 mil.
This exact thought crossed my mind when I saw the notification on my phone that Ozuna had signed with Atlanta. I think that deal is well worth it and considering his age and production I think I would have been super excited with that addition. Re-signing Cruz is only a win if he continues to defy Father Time. I think the Twins made the riskier play for 2021.
My hope is that things work out with Cruz on his one-year deal and then Minnesota moves on. Next year's free agent class has some real game-changers. Cruz, Simmons, Pineda, and Happ make up $41.5-million that could easily be thrown at one or two of those marquee names. Trevor Story, anyone? Noah Syndergaard or Lance McCullers? Oh, yeah.
I believe I heard before arbitration the twins only have 45 mil on the books and half of that is Donaldson. They're in very rare position where they have establish team but there up incoming guys are all almost ready to come up.
Just to clarify Ozuna got 4 years 65 million.
That 45 million number includes Donaldson, Sano Kepler, polonco and Meada (before any of his incentives kick in) and doesn't include any other salaries.
Screw Eddie maybe if you walked at all you would get paid. I would bet money that Eddie will be out of the majors by age 33/34. The only reason you got rbis cause you hit 4th in one best line ups in baseball for some reason. I'm few whiskey in so I'm fired up bitching to my pops about this but to me Eddie is most overated twin of all time.
The difference is when Sano got paid he was coming off a pretty nice season. He wasn't exactly great last year. Rosario is an ok player I get why he is a little frustrated but it's simply not hard to see why the Twins moved on. Sano could face a similar fate in a couple years if he is just ok and the Twins have multiple guys that can take his spot. Ultimately Rosario landed in a pretty good spot with a team that needs him and 8 million is a pretty solid payday. If he plays well he will get another contract. Meanwhile he and Sano patched things up so it's all good. Lol
I wouldn't say he got paid. He got a reasonable contract what he's worth. He's the 10th highest paid first basemen in the league. The fact is people have problems with him when he strikes out so much. I've never understood this as an out is an out. Sometimes striking out is better than hitting into a double play. Yes sometimes you have to make contact with runner on third.
The mlb audience has been so brainwashed that strike outs are bad when most gms could give two craps about it.
What does sano do at first
Hit for power check
Play above average defense check
Takes the occasion walk check
Rosario only does one of those and also plays a spot that's easily replaced. I can wait for Killiroff to make people forget about Eddie Rosario.
I agree with what you said, jester, but I also think there are productive outs and putting the ball in play, moving runners over, or outs that score runs -- those are areas where strikeouts are a killer. Miguel Sano is an awesome talent when he's actually barreling the ball and hitting homers, but he can also be a black hole in the lineup when he's not doing that. I think it's only a matter of time before he gets displaced from first base or traded entirely.
One thing Rosario should be given credit for especially compared to Sano is that he has played games. A couple years ago it seemed like he played through that ankle injury and it was an issue for a while. At this point Sano and Rosario are legit MLB players with flaws and guys that aren't exactly consistent. Rosario is unlikely to break out and Sano MIGHT still do that IF he does stay healthy. I like Sano and I hope he gets on track because when he is then you have a pretty good bat in the lineup you have to be concerned with if you are the other team
1b is a relatively easy spot to replace also.
I agree with the thought high strikeouts aren't all bad especially if you produce. I also matters if you have other players in the lineup that offset that. Basically a whole lineup of guys that strikeout a lot is problematic but that's not an issue with the Twins roster at this point.
The bottom line is this offseason they had to make a decision on Rosario. They didn't have to make a decision on Sano because they already signed him. If I remember correctly Wolfson(if you believe him and I think he is more accurate with Twins news) said for years Rosario was a guy that kept wanting a pretty big deal when approached by the Twins. The Twins weren't willing to do what whatever number it was and it seems like what Rosario was asking was more than what Sano settled for. Right now it's looking like Rosario betting on himself isn't going to work out too well although he will probably get a couple more decent 1 year deals. The Cleveland deal is almost as much as he made his entire Twins career so it's his first sorta payday.
For Rosario it's gotta be frustrating to realize that he isn't as valued as much as he thought he was and to be fair the market right now is a little tough too. That's why sometimes taking that sure thing isn't a bad idea especially when you have. A couple years of cheap team control when you can get a few million bucks earlier.
James Paxton is returning to Seattle. Bummer. I thought he would have been a medium risk, high reward acquisition for this Twins team. I thought he would be a reasonable get that would raise the ceiling of this roster. Oh well.
Minnesota did offer Matt Shoemaker a deal, for whatever that's worth.
Edit: Paxton will make $8.5MM on a one-year deal with bonuses upping the potential value to $10MM, per ESPN's Jeff Passan.
PECOTA projections came out. If you don't know what that it's basically a formula that puts all of the previous 2 years stats together and putting a projection on how the season will go.
Vegas uses this data to help come up with there over indeed. I believe 8 teams the last two years haven't had the same over under on wins as PECOTA projected.
Twins
W90.67
RS 797 4th best AL 13th overall
RA 735 3rd best AL 6/7 best overall tied with Mets.
60.8 chance to win division
Cleveland
W 85.7 76.3 .529
RS 760
RA 746
25.1 chance to win division
CWS
W83.1
RS 771
RA 781
13.4% chance to win the division
I know we lost out in Paxton. Yet our starting pitching and bullpen are really deep and don't get enough credit. Should be a fun year of twins baseball.
Twins PECOTA projections compared to last 3 years. 2020 stats were based off of 162 games not 60.
2017 PECOTA 78 wins actual wins 85
2018 PECOTA 82 wins actual wins 78
2019 PECOTA 81 Actual wins 101
Anyone here excited about Matt Shoemaker? Aside from the injuries, he's been just okay as a starter. He'll be fine in the fifth or sixth spot in the rotation if he wins that job. I would have preferred paying James Paxton, but I also would have rather rolled the dice on Mike Foltynewicz or even brought Rich Hill back.
Camden wrote:Anyone here excited about Matt Shoemaker? Aside from the injuries, he's been just okay as a starter. He'll be fine in the fifth or sixth spot in the rotation if he wins that job. I would have preferred paying James Paxton, but I also would have rather rolled the dice on Mike Foltynewicz or even brought Rich Hill back.
Cam, I'm embarrassed to admit I had never heard of Shoemaker. But after researching him, I like this deal. He's had multiple injuries that have hampered his career, but he has an excellent splitter and his 1.18 WHIP is the same as Pineda's and only behind Maeda...better than Berrios, Happ and Dobnak. He may beat out Dobnak as 5th starter, but even better, I'm confident we have a nice rotation even if we have an injury. Good signing.
Camden wrote:Anyone here excited about Matt Shoemaker? Aside from the injuries, he's been just okay as a starter. He'll be fine in the fifth or sixth spot in the rotation if he wins that job. I would have preferred paying James Paxton, but I also would have rather rolled the dice on Mike Foltynewicz or even brought Rich Hill back.
Cam, I'm embarrassed to admit I had never heard of Shoemaker. But after researching him, I like this deal. He's had multiple injuries that have hampered his career, but he has an excellent splitter and his 1.18 WHIP is the same as Pineda's and only behind Maeda...better than Berrios, Happ and Dobnak. He may beat out Dobnak as 5th starter, but even better, I'm confident we have a nice rotation even if we have an injury. Good signing.
I couldn't remember who he was but I had heard of him. I thought they would make a signing like this but they got this one done kinda late. Yeah if he can get and stay healthy he could really help and the upside is higher than I was hoping for. The Twins are in pretty good shape when it comes to the starting rotation at this point.
