monsterpile wrote:The real Kenya Maeda showed up yesterday. We need to get rid of that imposter that's been out there much of this season.
There is a report that the Mets are interested in Donaldson. As Gleeman mentioned in his article about guys that could be traded if the Twins have to pay too much in terms of salary they may as well just keep him as he would be a good player on a decent salary for what he brings unless there is some worthwhile prospects involved. The Twins are likely going to have to eat some salary if Donaldson is traded which would be fine with me. It will be interesting to see what the Twins do. Are they going to try and kinda run it back next year or do a more long term rebuild?
What was your favorite Matt Shoemaker moment?
Yeah, nice pickup in Shoemaker...meanwhile Kyle Gibson is going to the all-star game leading the league with a 1.98 ERA and 6-0!
I love Donaldson, but if a contender wants to overpay him and give us a couple prospects, I'd be happy to give Jose Miranda a shot at 3rd base the rest of the season. I also wouldn't be surprised if an AL team covets Cruz for the stretch run and gives us prospects...who knows, Cruz might just re-sign with us at the end of the season. I'd also move Berrios for the right price, but I would keep Rogers.
I loved seeing Maeda yesterday. I've thought for some time that he's a guy who succeeds without doctoring the ball...there's nothing goofy with his spin like there is with guys like Berrios. I look for location guys like Maeda to really thrive in this new world where the cheaters are no longer allowed to load up the baseballs. FNG bold prediction: if Maeda is healthy next season (he clearly hasn't been this season until yesterday), he challenges for the Cy Young award.
Gibson was bad last season. Will he keep up this success over a whole season? I'm a Gibson fan but the answer is probably not.
The next question is why did they let Rich Hill leave? I thought that was kinda weird maybe he retired. He signed with Tampa bay for 2.5 million and is having a nice season. Nobody saw Happ and Shomemaker being this bad and let's be honest the Twins could have spent more on guys that were supposed to be better and signed them for longer and...they could have also not worked out.
I'd let Miranda really succeed in AAA before I brought him up. The Twins have options of guys to play 3rd till that happens. Heck Sano can even play some innings there. I want Nick Gordon playing pretty often somewhere let's see what he can do.
Never understood releasing Hill...he's ageless and always effective when healthy.
Baldelli is playing Sano less and less...only 5 starts since June 22, and that's good. But he continues to play him against lefties even though Sano is seeing nothing but changeups from lefties and he can't hit a change up. His batting average against lefties this year is .179 with an OPS of .544...far worse than his numbers against RHP. I'm going to the game tomorrow and know that Rocco will start Sano against Carlos Rodon even though he's 1 for 16 lifetime against him with 10 K's! He could start Kirilloff at 1b instead...Alex has a double in two ABs against Rodon and is hitting .294 against LHP this season with an OPS of .857. It makes no sense to start Sano tomorrow night instead of Kililloff, but Rocco will.
I don't want to defend Rocco much at all with Sano but at this point he is in a bit of a tough spot. Is he supposed to never play him now? I don't know if playing him against left handed pitching makes sense though either. Trust me at this point I don't really care if Sano plays anywhere but they probably aren't gonna DFA him so he is on the roster still and will be in the lineup at times. Hopefully he can hit a couple HRs here and there to make the season somewhat enjoyable at times when he does play.
You won't have to worry about Miguel Sano much longer. They see Killiroff as future twins first basemen. I put Sano being traded by deadline at 80% or put on waivers.
I don't see anyone taking on that contract in a trade. If nobody wanted Rosario who is gonna take on Sano who is guaranteed a total of 13 million after this season? I suppose the Twins could eat a bunch of the money. Would a team want Sano for like 5 million in salary next year? Sadly that even sounds optimistic. At some point you are probably right they may just waive him even this season. I wouldn't be against it but what a disappointment.
monsterpile wrote:The real Kenya Maeda showed up yesterday. We need to get rid of that imposter that's been out there much of this season.
There is a report that the Mets are interested in Donaldson. As Gleeman mentioned in his article about guys that could be traded if the Twins have to pay too much in terms of salary they may as well just keep him as he would be a good player on a decent salary for what he brings unless there is some worthwhile prospects involved. The Twins are likely going to have to eat some salary if Donaldson is traded which would be fine with me. It will be interesting to see what the Twins do. Are they going to try and kinda run it back next year or do a more long term rebuild?
What was your favorite Matt Shoemaker moment?
Yeah, nice pickup in Shoemaker...meanwhile Kyle Gibson is going to the all-star game leading the league with a 1.98 ERA and 6-0!
I love Donaldson, but if a contender wants to overpay him and give us a couple prospects, I'd be happy to give Jose Miranda a shot at 3rd base the rest of the season. I also wouldn't be surprised if an AL team covets Cruz for the stretch run and gives us prospects...who knows, Cruz might just re-sign with us at the end of the season. I'd also move Berrios for the right price, but I would keep Rogers.
I loved seeing Maeda yesterday. I've thought for some time that he's a guy who succeeds without doctoring the ball...there's nothing goofy with his spin like there is with guys like Berrios. I look for location guys like Maeda to really thrive in this new world where the cheaters are no longer allowed to load up the baseballs. FNG bold prediction: if Maeda is healthy next season (he clearly hasn't been this season until yesterday), he challenges for the Cy Young award.
Gibson was bad last season. Will he keep up this success over a whole season? I'm a Gibson fan but the answer is probably not.
The next question is why did they let Rich Hill leave? I thought that was kinda weird maybe he retired. He signed with Tampa bay for 2.5 million and is having a nice season. Nobody saw Happ and Shomemaker being this bad and let's be honest the Twins could have spent more on guys that were supposed to be better and signed them for longer and...they could have also not worked out.
I'd let Miranda really succeed in AAA before I brought him up. The Twins have options of guys to play 3rd till that happens. Heck Sano can even play some innings there. I want Nick Gordon playing pretty often somewhere let's see what he can do.
Never understood releasing Hill...he's ageless and always effective when healthy.
Baldelli is playing Sano less and less...only 5 starts since June 22, and that's good. But he continues to play him against lefties even though Sano is seeing nothing but changeups from lefties and he can't hit a change up. His batting average against lefties this year is .179 with an OPS of .544...far worse than his numbers against RHP. I'm going to the game tomorrow and know that Rocco will start Sano against Carlos Rodon even though he's 1 for 16 lifetime against him with 10 K's! He could start Kirilloff at 1b instead...Alex has a double in two ABs against Rodon and is hitting .294 against LHP this season with an OPS of .857. It makes no sense to start Sano tomorrow night instead of Kililloff, but Rocco will.
I don't want to defend Rocco much at all with Sano but at this point he is in a bit of a tough spot. Is he supposed to never play him now? I don't know if playing him against left handed pitching makes sense though either. Trust me at this point I don't really care if Sano plays anywhere but they probably aren't gonna DFA him so he is on the roster still and will be in the lineup at times. Hopefully he can hit a couple HRs here and there to make the season somewhat enjoyable at times when he does play.
You won't have to worry about Miguel Sano much longer. They see Killiroff as future twins first basemen. I put Sano being traded by deadline at 80% or put on waivers.
I don't see anyone taking on that contract in a trade. If nobody wanted Rosario who is gonna take on Sano who is guaranteed a total of 13 million after this season? I suppose the Twins could eat a bunch of the money. Would a team want Sano for like 5 million in salary next year? Sadly that even sounds optimistic. At some point you are probably right they may just waive him even this season. I wouldn't be against it but what a disappointment.
The twins have recently shown a willingness to eat money. I don't see that being a big problem.
If they trade Donaldson there going to have to eat 30-40 million of that contract.
Great inside info on the Hill situation, jester...makes sense now. I also wanted Hill on the postseason roster, and I can understand why he felt like he had to move on. As for Sano, he might the biggest individual disappointment I have ever had for a Twins player. Such a highly touted prospect, success in the minors, and then displaying power and a terrific eye early in his career...I thought he would be a perennial all star. Even when he lost his plate discipline, he still hit the ball as hard as anyone when he made contact. But this year he added soft contact to his strike out woes, and he really doesn't look like a guy who will ever consistently hit over .200. It doesn't appear he has a future in the majors, and the Twins will have to eat that contract.
Meanwhile we're seeing some hope for the future. Bailey Ober pitched 5 innings of 2-hit ball tonight, and Arraez, Larnach and Kirilloff look like guys who are going to be solid major league hitters. Add in a healthy Buxton, Royce Lewis, Gordon and Jose Miranda, and you can see a lineup that may be very good for a long time. Pitching doesn't look as promising, and that's where we're going to need the Pohlads to pony up for a true front-line starter...no more Shoemakers, Happs or Homer Baileys.
FNG wrote:Great inside info on the Hill situation, jester...makes sense now. I also wanted Hill on the postseason roster, and I can understand why he felt like he had to move on. As for Sano, he might the biggest individual disappointment I have ever had for a Twins player. Such a highly touted prospect, success in the minors, and then displaying power and a terrific eye early in his career...I thought he would be a perennial all star. Even when he lost his plate discipline, he still hit the ball as hard as anyone when he made contact. But this year he added soft contact to his strike out woes, and he really doesn't look like a guy who will ever consistently hit over .200. It doesn't appear he has a future in the majors, and the Twins will have to eat that contract.
Meanwhile we're seeing some hope for the future. Bailey Ober pitched 5 innings of 2-hit ball tonight, and Arraez, Larnach and Kirilloff look like guys who are going to be solid major league hitters. Add in a healthy Buxton, Royce Lewis, Gordon and Jose Miranda, and you can see a lineup that may be very good for a long time. Pitching doesn't look as promising, and that's where we're going to need the Pohlads to pony up for a true front-line starter...no more Shoemakers, Happs or Homer Baileys.
Your guy Sano brought it tonight. He scared the pitcher into not throwing that ball home. Sano's intimidation factor on the bases is a really underrated aspect of his game.
FNG wrote:Great inside info on the Hill situation, jester...makes sense now. I also wanted Hill on the postseason roster, and I can understand why he felt like he had to move on. As for Sano, he might the biggest individual disappointment I have ever had for a Twins player. Such a highly touted prospect, success in the minors, and then displaying power and a terrific eye early in his career...I thought he would be a perennial all star. Even when he lost his plate discipline, he still hit the ball as hard as anyone when he made contact. But this year he added soft contact to his strike out woes, and he really doesn't look like a guy who will ever consistently hit over .200. It doesn't appear he has a future in the majors, and the Twins will have to eat that contract.
Meanwhile we're seeing some hope for the future. Bailey Ober pitched 5 innings of 2-hit ball tonight, and Arraez, Larnach and Kirilloff look like guys who are going to be solid major league hitters. Add in a healthy Buxton, Royce Lewis, Gordon and Jose Miranda, and you can see a lineup that may be very good for a long time. Pitching doesn't look as promising, and that's where we're going to need the Pohlads to pony up for a true front-line starter...no more Shoemakers, Happs or Homer Baileys.
Sano has been dreadful this and main Problem with the line up. But he's not the most disappointing twins prospect. He did make 2 all star teams and single handle brought them to a wild card spot when he was young. I think we underestimate how much that titanium rod has hurt as he gets older.
Also you can't convince me that Scott Stahoviak wasn't a bigger bust he was touted as the savior when he was drafted.
FNG wrote:Great inside info on the Hill situation, jester...makes sense now. I also wanted Hill on the postseason roster, and I can understand why he felt like he had to move on. As for Sano, he might the biggest individual disappointment I have ever had for a Twins player. Such a highly touted prospect, success in the minors, and then displaying power and a terrific eye early in his career...I thought he would be a perennial all star. Even when he lost his plate discipline, he still hit the ball as hard as anyone when he made contact. But this year he added soft contact to his strike out woes, and he really doesn't look like a guy who will ever consistently hit over .200. It doesn't appear he has a future in the majors, and the Twins will have to eat that contract.
Meanwhile we're seeing some hope for the future. Bailey Ober pitched 5 innings of 2-hit ball tonight, and Arraez, Larnach and Kirilloff look like guys who are going to be solid major league hitters. Add in a healthy Buxton, Royce Lewis, Gordon and Jose Miranda, and you can see a lineup that may be very good for a long time. Pitching doesn't look as promising, and that's where we're going to need the Pohlads to pony up for a true front-line starter...no more Shoemakers, Happs or Homer Baileys.
Sano has been dreadful this and main Problem with the line up. But he's not the most disappointing twins prospect. He did make 2 all star teams and single handle brought them to a wild card spot when he was young. I think we underestimate how much that titanium rod has hurt as he gets older.
Also you can't convince me that Scott Stahoviak wasn't a bigger bust he was touted as the savior when he was drafted.
Maybe it is the titanium rod, but it will always be Sano for me...his early success just makes his current futility more disappointing. I was never that high on Stahoviak and he was a late 1st round pick, so I never thought of him as a disappointment. But there are a few others who are almost at the same level as Sano for me. It's way before your time, but I was at Metropolitan Stadium when Eddie Bane (picked 3rd in the draft) pitched in front of a full house on July 4th without ever having pitched an inning in the minors!. He was dazzling that day giving up only 3 hits, and as a little boy, I left the ballpark thinking like everyone else that Bane was Cy Young. But he never had another good start for the Twins. Dave McCarty was a high pick in 1991 and looked terrific in the minors and looked like a future star...but he never did much. Baseball seems to me to be much more difficult to predict greatness than basketball.
Sano with a 2 hot game and 1 of 3 errors in this one wasting a nice pitching performance from Berrios. That Billy Hamilton catch late in the game was a pretty awesome.
monsterpile wrote:Sano with a 2 hot game and 1 of 3 errors in this one wasting a nice pitching performance from Berrios. That Billy Hamilton catch late in the game was a pretty awesome.
You forgot his adventure on the bases in the 8th. Highly recommend go back and watch if you can.
monsterpile wrote:Sano with a 2 hot game and 1 of 3 errors in this one wasting a nice pitching performance from Berrios. That Billy Hamilton catch late in the game was a pretty awesome.
It was rainy and miserable there last night so we left before Hamilton's catch (in fact many of the fans left when they saw El Gasolino Colome coming in from the bullpen...we unfortunately stayed to watch him blow up again). I will say Sano was disappointing again. He did have one inconsequential line drive hit on a pitch left up, but the rest of his game was terrible. His other single was a dribbler through the vacated right side of the infield on a pitch that totally fooled him, and he also dribbled one to the pitcher in the second inning with one out and runners at second and third...a total rally killer in a close game. Then there was his fielding error and his horrible baserunning mistake...aren't we taught in little league not to try to go from second to third on a groundball hit to the left side? I will say he made a nice play on a hot smash that he fielded cleanly with a tough in between hop...as down as I am on Sano's bat and personal characteristics, I will admit he has always had a solid glove.
All that said, the starting pitching was fantastic...two fiery guys with great stuff totally locked in. And I got to see something in the 6th I've never seen. The clouds were lower in the stadium than I can ever remember, and Cruz's towering popup completely disappeared in the clouds. I turned to my brother and said Arraez should be running from first, because nobody can see the ball and it's not going to be caught. Luis probably made the safe play, but it was clear nobody had a clue where the ball was!
