Around the League 2022-23

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thedoper wrote:It is really difficult to get off of an overpaid player. I assume if they could have extended Dlo at a reasonable, even more tradeable extension they would have. The reality is most likely that Dlo still overvalues himself and therefore wants to test the free agent market. Extending DLo at a bloated price would be the worst outcome of all scenarios, which is why Im fine to get off of him now. We aren't winning the championship this year, better to consider 2 or three moves that can use that Dlo money in the next 2 years.


1. Minnesota's likely operating over the cap for the foreseeable future so even if D'Angelo Russell is slightly overpaid or signed at a "bloated" price by X amount on his next deal it won't be all that significant. Obviously, don't give him another max contract, and it has already been reported that he would sign for less than that, but the difference between $25-million and $30-million annually, for example, when you're already above the cap isn't that meaningful in reality. It's also not the worst outcome of all scenarios. The worst would be trading him for a player(s) that has a lesser on-court impact and trade value, and are unable to get much use out of them now or in the future. See: Kyle Lowry.

2. What is it about extending D'Angelo Russell at fair market value that makes the organization incapable of using his salary differently in the future? Rather, do you feel that Russell at age 28, 29, or 30 will have fallen off a cliff and be unplayable? Will he be so bad and/or so overpaid -- despite an annually-increasing salary cap -- that Minnesota's unable to move him, if need be?

The bottom line is that extending or re-signing Russell doesn't prohibit or restrict anything. It would retain their financial flexibility with the cap slot while having a good player on the roster that fills multiple roles while still being able to tweak the roster in the future if/when they need to.
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Camden wrote:
thedoper wrote:It is really difficult to get off of an overpaid player. I assume if they could have extended Dlo at a reasonable, even more tradeable extension they would have. The reality is most likely that Dlo still overvalues himself and therefore wants to test the free agent market. Extending DLo at a bloated price would be the worst outcome of all scenarios, which is why Im fine to get off of him now. We aren't winning the championship this year, better to consider 2 or three moves that can use that Dlo money in the next 2 years.


1. Minnesota's likely operating over the cap for the foreseeable future so even if D'Angelo Russell is slightly overpaid or signed at a "bloated" price by X amount on his next deal it won't be all that significant. Obviously, don't give him another max contract, and it has already been reported that he would sign for less than that, but the difference between $25-million and $30-million annually, for example, when you're already above the cap isn't that meaningful in reality. It's also not the worst outcome of all scenarios. The worst would be trading him for a player(s) that has a lesser on-court impact and trade value, and are unable to get much use out of them now or in the future. See: Kyle Lowry.

2. What is it about extending D'Angelo Russell at fair market value that makes the organization incapable of using his salary differently in the future? Rather, do you feel that Russell at age 28, 29, or 30 will have fallen off a cliff and be unplayable? Will he be so bad and/or so overpaid -- despite an annually-increasing salary cap -- that Minnesota's unable to move him, if need be?

The bottom line is that extending or re-signing Russell doesn't prohibit or restrict anything. It would retain their financial flexibility with the cap slot while having a good player on the roster that fills multiple roles while still being able to tweak the roster in the future if/when they need to.




I'm all for resigning Russell... with the intention of trading him. And that's because Connelly has painted himself into a corner. Russell's team knows this. And they're going to use it to their advantage. The team absolutely needs him right now.

I know we disagree on just how much Russell has turned the corner vs. him playing as if there is $100+ million at stake.

I might be able to be talked into an overpay for a shorter contract. But if we're looking at anything close to $30M+ for 4 years. Ouch. If it's a gross overpay, we're just kicking the can down the road for recouping lesser assets for him. And unlike with Wiggins, the team doesn't have picks to throw in to sweeten the pot.

It comes down to how much I believe in the D. Russell of the past two months vs. the D. Russell of the previous 7+ seasons. And there's no reason to think that this forum or the entire basketball world really knows. It's why the guy is so damn polarizing...
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Camden wrote:
thedoper wrote:It is really difficult to get off of an overpaid player. I assume if they could have extended Dlo at a reasonable, even more tradeable extension they would have. The reality is most likely that Dlo still overvalues himself and therefore wants to test the free agent market. Extending DLo at a bloated price would be the worst outcome of all scenarios, which is why Im fine to get off of him now. We aren't winning the championship this year, better to consider 2 or three moves that can use that Dlo money in the next 2 years.


1. Minnesota's likely operating over the cap for the foreseeable future so even if D'Angelo Russell is slightly overpaid or signed at a "bloated" price by X amount on his next deal it won't be all that significant. Obviously, don't give him another max contract, and it has already been reported that he would sign for less than that, but the difference between $25-million and $30-million annually, for example, when you're already above the cap isn't that meaningful in reality. It's also not the worst outcome of all scenarios. The worst would be trading him for a player(s) that has a lesser on-court impact and trade value, and are unable to get much use out of them now or in the future. See: Kyle Lowry.

2. What is it about extending D'Angelo Russell at fair market value that makes the organization incapable of using his salary differently in the future? Rather, do you feel that Russell at age 28, 29, or 30 will have fallen off a cliff and be unplayable? Will he be so bad and/or so overpaid -- despite an annually-increasing salary cap -- that Minnesota's unable to move him, if need be?

The bottom line is that extending or re-signing Russell doesn't prohibit or restrict anything. It would retain their financial flexibility with the cap slot while having a good player on the roster that fills multiple roles while still being able to tweak the roster in the future if/when they need to.


Id rather have an expiring 30 mil next year when there will be all sorts of strange movement because of a cap spike then 3 or 4 years of Russell at 30 when at present we are likely the only team that would give him that. I do think eventually he may get close to that kind of money but I don't think its now. I just dont see a 4 year 100-120 million dollar Dlo contract as an improved asset moving forward, I think the league will still view him the same and we will just be pushing this "we dont have a choice" narrative forward. If DLo were willing to reup at 1 year at 25-30 then I actually think that is the best case scenario other than him taking 15-18 per.
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If dlo don't want to be here on a reasonable contract I don't want him. 30 million is crazy. If he's just in this to bend us over let him walk. I dont want someone who plays every so many years cause his contract is coming up. He is vastly over rated. You would only be paying for his name and not production.
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Something called Cam Thomas scored 47 points last night, this setting the record for most points by a player I had never heard of. If anyone else here has also never heard of Cam Thomas, please confess and make me feel a little smarter.
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The Miami Heat dumped Dewayne Dedmon and a second-round pick on the San Antonio Spurs today. The Spurs are likely to waive Dedmon.
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FNG wrote:Something called Cam Thomas scored 47 points last night, this setting the record for most points by a player I had never heard of. If anyone else here has also never heard of Cam Thomas, please confess and make me feel a little smarter.


There were some basketball bloggers and podcasters (like KOC and other guys at The Ringer) who called him a sleeper pick who fell too far in that draft because he was a bucket waiting to happen in college. But yeah, he never really did much of anything last year. Next time he was in the news was when seemed sarcastically amused by Steve Nash's call for him to pass the ball as well as score the season after he averaged 7.5 shots in 17 minutes, with only 1.2 assists. That's a FGA per minute to assist ratio for a guard probably not seen since the likes of Shabazz Muhammad,* still the unquestioned ball hog champ of them all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJSjRNQupp0

*Don't quote me on that. There's probably some other ballhogs out there who might be worse than Cam, but I'm too lazy to look them up. I'd honestly be surprised if there were more than a handful of bigger statistical ballhogs than Bazz though!
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SameOldNudityDrew wrote:
FNG wrote:Something called Cam Thomas scored 47 points last night, this setting the record for most points by a player I had never heard of. If anyone else here has also never heard of Cam Thomas, please confess and make me feel a little smarter.


There were some basketball bloggers and podcasters (like KOC and other guys at The Ringer) who called him a sleeper pick who fell too far in that draft because he was a bucket waiting to happen in college. But yeah, he never really did much of anything last year. Next time he was in the news was when seemed sarcastically amused by Steve Nash's call for him to pass the ball as well as score the season after he averaged 7.5 shots in 17 minutes, with only 1.2 assists. That's a FGA per minute to assist ratio for a guard probably not seen since the likes of Shabazz Muhammad,* still the unquestioned ball hog champ of them all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJSjRNQupp0

*Don't quote me on that. There's probably some other ballhogs out there who might be worse than Cam, but I'm too lazy to look them up. I'd honestly be surprised if there were more than a handful of bigger statistical ballhogs than Bazz though!


It's not far off of what Nowell is doing this year. Nowell takes more shots and a little most assists.

Meanwhile Cam Thomas now has back to back 40+ point games. I was well aware of who he was but I also didn't know he has been having a solid sophomore season with terrific shooting percentages after a poor first month or so. He was a guy that always seemed to have talent offensively but he would flash then I would look up the shooting percentages and they would be poor. I always like paying attention to young players the nets bring in Marks is often very good at finding worthwhile guys outside of the lottery. It's bizarre to me how star players apparently don't want to play there.
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Big trade!


Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
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The Suns are sending Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Jae Crowder, four first-round picks, a 2028 pick swap for Durant and TJ Warren, sources tell ESPN. Durant wanted move and new owner Mat Ishbia pushed to get deal done tonight.
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60WinTim wrote:Big trade!


Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
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The Suns are sending Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Jae Crowder, four first-round picks, a 2028 pick swap for Durant and TJ Warren, sources tell ESPN. Durant wanted move and new owner Mat Ishbia pushed to get deal done tonight.


West got loaded this trade deadline
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