They Stole Our Fucking Team (Wolves vs Lakers)

[WildWolf2813]

Sometimes, change needs to happen.

I also don't see how we're not nearing that time with Karl Anthony Towns. It's been 8 years... and his HUGE raise is about to kick in. I think it's fair to assume we're not going to see Towns improve at this point... at least not in Minnesota.

That's the rub. Much like with Andrew Wiggins, it's obvious change is necessary. We just have to be ready for when the player we ditch (even if 100% justifiable) performs well in his new home.

Andrew Wiggins was NOT going to improve in Minnesota. He had to leave and join a world-class organization for his resurgence. At this point, I have to say that Karl Towns is NOT going to improve in Minnesota.

And that guy simply isn't worth what he's about to be paid... nor does he even fit in on the team with Gobert lumbering in the middle.

___________________

It's time. Consequences be damned.

Here's the problem:

everyone else knows that too and the solution to replacing at least the on court production doesn't come from any late firsts you'll get in return for him. That requires losing and this team can't even reap the benefits of that anymore.

[Coolbreeze44]

Sign NAZ, trade KAT

[thedoper]

Sign NAZ, trade KAT

That's where Im at.

[Wolvesfan21]

Sign NAZ, trade KAT

I'm in. He might even go on to be pretty great as a second star somewhere else. But I think he has trouble taking a back seat to Ant or anyone else as a Wolf. Since he has been here so long and due to his salary too.

[WildWolf2813]

Sign NAZ, trade KAT

I'm in. He might even go on to be pretty great as a second star somewhere else. But I think he has trouble taking a back seat to Ant or anyone else as a Wolf. Since he has been here so long and due to his salary too.

He's gonna take a backseat to any team he's on

[Lipoli390]

Sometimes, change needs to happen.

I also don't see how we're not nearing that time with Karl Anthony Towns. It's been 8 years... and his HUGE raise is about to kick in. I think it's fair to assume we're not going to see Towns improve at this point... at least not in Minnesota.

That's the rub. Much like with Andrew Wiggins, it's obvious change is necessary. We just have to be ready for when the player we ditch (even if 100% justifiable) performs well in his new home.

Andrew Wiggins was NOT going to improve in Minnesota. He had to leave and join a world-class organization for his resurgence. At this point, I have to say that Karl Towns is NOT going to improve in Minnesota.

And that guy simply isn't worth what he's about to be paid... nor does he even fit in on the team with Gobert lumbering in the middle.

___________________

It's time. Consequences be damned.

Here's the problem:

everyone else knows that too and the solution to replacing at least the on court production doesn't come from any late firsts you'll get in return for him. That requires losing and this team can't even reap the benefits of that anymore.

I'm not on board with trading KAT, but it's not because we wouldn't get a terrific return. KAT is a great offensive player and rebounder in his prime. He's unique offensively in that he's tremendously efficient and elite in multiple categories, which is rare for any player, especially a big. I wouldn't trade him because he's a great player who wants to be here and that's a hard thing to find. His game also meshes well with Ant and McDaniels. This "KAT isn't a winner" narrative is misplaced. The Wolves finished 10 games over .500 last season and took the team with the best record in the West to 6 games in the playoffs -- all with KAT as the team's best player. Note that as good as Edwards and McDaniels have been this season, they weren't as good last season. KAT had no all-star players on the roster with him last season. But he had enough talent in Ant, McDaniels, Vando, Beverley and DLO to have a lot of success.

The only other time KAT has ever had another all-star with him on the roster was when Butler was here and -- guess what -- the Wolves made the playoffs. Butler missed 20 games that season, most of them near the end of the season. Before he went down, the Wolves were on a trajectory to finish 4th or 5th. KAT didn't do well in the playoffs that season, but he was 22 years old playing in his first post-season. He performed really well in last season's series against Memphis.

KAT's a great player, albeit an annoying one sometimes. I get that he's not a #1 on a championship contender, but with Ant here we don't need him to be a #1. TC messed things up with his idiotic trade for Gobert. And KAT had a serious injury this season. I think TC would compound his screw-up if he traded KAT this summer without first moving Rudy and trying to get this team back to what it was when it finished 10 games above .500 with KAT as its centerpiece. I'd love to see KAT play a full season healthy with the much improved Ant and McDaniels along with Kyle Anderson. Next season Ant would be the centerpiece or #1 unlike last season and KAT would be the #2. That's a potentially winning formula.

Yes, it was time to move on from Wiggins a few years ago. But KAT's a different story.

TC should move Rudy this summer for a rotation player, one future first and some salary flexibility. If things don't go well next season, the Wolves can trade KAT next summer and still get a substantial return for him.

[Coolbreeze44]

Sometimes, change needs to happen.

I also don't see how we're not nearing that time with Karl Anthony Towns. It's been 8 years... and his HUGE raise is about to kick in. I think it's fair to assume we're not going to see Towns improve at this point... at least not in Minnesota.

That's the rub. Much like with Andrew Wiggins, it's obvious change is necessary. We just have to be ready for when the player we ditch (even if 100% justifiable) performs well in his new home.

Andrew Wiggins was NOT going to improve in Minnesota. He had to leave and join a world-class organization for his resurgence. At this point, I have to say that Karl Towns is NOT going to improve in Minnesota.

And that guy simply isn't worth what he's about to be paid... nor does he even fit in on the team with Gobert lumbering in the middle.

___________________

It's time. Consequences be damned.

Here's the problem:

everyone else knows that too and the solution to replacing at least the on court production doesn't come from any late firsts you'll get in return for him. That requires losing and this team can't even reap the benefits of that anymore.

I'm not on board with trading KAT, but it's not because we wouldn't get a terrific return. KAT is a great offensive player and rebounder in his prime. He's unique offensively in that he's tremendously efficient and elite in multiple categories, which is rare for any player, especially a big. I wouldn't trade him because he's a great player who wants to be here and that's a hard thing to find. His game also meshes well with Ant and McDaniels. This "KAT isn't a winner" narrative is misplaced. The Wolves finished 10 games over .500 last season and took the team with the best record in the West to 6 games in the playoffs -- all with KAT as the team's best player. Note that as good as Edwards and McDaniels have been this season, they weren't as good last season. KAT had no all-star players on the roster with him last season. But he had enough talent in Ant, McDaniels, Vando, Beverley and DLO to have a lot of success.

The only other time KAT has ever had another all-star with him on the roster was when Butler was here and -- guess what -- the Wolves made the playoffs. Butler missed 20 games that season, most of them near the end of the season. Before he went down, the Wolves were on a trajectory to finish 4th or 5th. KAT didn't do well in the playoffs that season, but he was 22 years old playing in his first post-season. He performed really well in last season's series against Memphis.

KAT's a great player, albeit an annoying one sometimes. I get that he's not a #1 on a championship contender, but with Ant here we don't need him to be a #1. TC messed things up with his idiotic trade for Gobert. And KAT had a serious injury this season. I think TC would compound his screw-up if he traded KAT this summer without first moving Rudy and trying to get this team back to what it was when it finished 10 games above .500 with KAT as its centerpiece. I'd love to see KAT play a full season healthy with the much improved Ant and McDaniels along with Kyle Anderson. Next season Ant would be the centerpiece or #1 unlike last season and KAT would be the #2. That's a potentially winning formula.

Yes, it was time to move on from Wiggins a few years ago. But KAT's a different story.

TC should move Rudy this summer for a rotation player, one future first and some salary flexibility. If things don't go well next season, the Wolves can trade KAT next summer and still get a substantial return for him.

We've been on opposing sides of the KAT debate for a while now Lip. No one denies he's a terrific offensive player. But I think if you really want to see this franchise finally win, you would see that we can be better without KAT than with him. Based on what I read on social media, the tide is turning in terms of what the fanbase feels about Towns. The majority seems to be ready to move on. And that's a change from last year at this time. The substantial return you think will be there into the future is in real jeopardy in my opinion.

[AbeVigodaLive]

I've grown tired of Towns and I wouldn't be too upset if he was traded.

BUT... I cringe at any sort of social media consensus. I've never been a big fan of the medium, but I've checked out Twitter more recently than I ever have before.

Holy Shit. What a cesspool of terrible misguided and just flat-out ignorant takes... and people.

[Lipoli390]

Sometimes, change needs to happen.

I also don't see how we're not nearing that time with Karl Anthony Towns. It's been 8 years... and his HUGE raise is about to kick in. I think it's fair to assume we're not going to see Towns improve at this point... at least not in Minnesota.

That's the rub. Much like with Andrew Wiggins, it's obvious change is necessary. We just have to be ready for when the player we ditch (even if 100% justifiable) performs well in his new home.

Andrew Wiggins was NOT going to improve in Minnesota. He had to leave and join a world-class organization for his resurgence. At this point, I have to say that Karl Towns is NOT going to improve in Minnesota.

And that guy simply isn't worth what he's about to be paid... nor does he even fit in on the team with Gobert lumbering in the middle.

___________________

It's time. Consequences be damned.

Here's the problem:

everyone else knows that too and the solution to replacing at least the on court production doesn't come from any late firsts you'll get in return for him. That requires losing and this team can't even reap the benefits of that anymore.

I'm not on board with trading KAT, but it's not because we wouldn't get a terrific return. KAT is a great offensive player and rebounder in his prime. He's unique offensively in that he's tremendously efficient and elite in multiple categories, which is rare for any player, especially a big. I wouldn't trade him because he's a great player who wants to be here and that's a hard thing to find. His game also meshes well with Ant and McDaniels. This "KAT isn't a winner" narrative is misplaced. The Wolves finished 10 games over .500 last season and took the team with the best record in the West to 6 games in the playoffs -- all with KAT as the team's best player. Note that as good as Edwards and McDaniels have been this season, they weren't as good last season. KAT had no all-star players on the roster with him last season. But he had enough talent in Ant, McDaniels, Vando, Beverley and DLO to have a lot of success.

The only other time KAT has ever had another all-star with him on the roster was when Butler was here and -- guess what -- the Wolves made the playoffs. Butler missed 20 games that season, most of them near the end of the season. Before he went down, the Wolves were on a trajectory to finish 4th or 5th. KAT didn't do well in the playoffs that season, but he was 22 years old playing in his first post-season. He performed really well in last season's series against Memphis.

KAT's a great player, albeit an annoying one sometimes. I get that he's not a #1 on a championship contender, but with Ant here we don't need him to be a #1. TC messed things up with his idiotic trade for Gobert. And KAT had a serious injury this season. I think TC would compound his screw-up if he traded KAT this summer without first moving Rudy and trying to get this team back to what it was when it finished 10 games above .500 with KAT as its centerpiece. I'd love to see KAT play a full season healthy with the much improved Ant and McDaniels along with Kyle Anderson. Next season Ant would be the centerpiece or #1 unlike last season and KAT would be the #2. That's a potentially winning formula.

Yes, it was time to move on from Wiggins a few years ago. But KAT's a different story.

TC should move Rudy this summer for a rotation player, one future first and some salary flexibility. If things don't go well next season, the Wolves can trade KAT next summer and still get a substantial return for him.

We've been on opposing sides of the KAT debate for a while now Lip. No one denies he's a terrific offensive player. But I think if you really want to see this franchise finally win, you would see that we can be better without KAT than with him. Based on what I read on social media, the tide is turning in terms of what the fanbase feels about Towns. The majority seems to be ready to move on. And that's a change from last year at this time. The substantial return you think will be there into the future is in real jeopardy in my opinion.

Sometimes, change needs to happen.

I also don't see how we're not nearing that time with Karl Anthony Towns. It's been 8 years... and his HUGE raise is about to kick in. I think it's fair to assume we're not going to see Towns improve at this point... at least not in Minnesota.

That's the rub. Much like with Andrew Wiggins, it's obvious change is necessary. We just have to be ready for when the player we ditch (even if 100% justifiable) performs well in his new home.

Andrew Wiggins was NOT going to improve in Minnesota. He had to leave and join a world-class organization for his resurgence. At this point, I have to say that Karl Towns is NOT going to improve in Minnesota.

And that guy simply isn't worth what he's about to be paid... nor does he even fit in on the team with Gobert lumbering in the middle.

___________________

It's time. Consequences be damned.

Here's the problem:

everyone else knows that too and the solution to replacing at least the on court production doesn't come from any late firsts you'll get in return for him. That requires losing and this team can't even reap the benefits of that anymore.

I'm not on board with trading KAT, but it's not because we wouldn't get a terrific return. KAT is a great offensive player and rebounder in his prime. He's unique offensively in that he's tremendously efficient and elite in multiple categories, which is rare for any player, especially a big. I wouldn't trade him because he's a great player who wants to be here and that's a hard thing to find. His game also meshes well with Ant and McDaniels. This "KAT isn't a winner" narrative is misplaced. The Wolves finished 10 games over .500 last season and took the team with the best record in the West to 6 games in the playoffs -- all with KAT as the team's best player. Note that as good as Edwards and McDaniels have been this season, they weren't as good last season. KAT had no all-star players on the roster with him last season. But he had enough talent in Ant, McDaniels, Vando, Beverley and DLO to have a lot of success.

The only other time KAT has ever had another all-star with him on the roster was when Butler was here and -- guess what -- the Wolves made the playoffs. Butler missed 20 games that season, most of them near the end of the season. Before he went down, the Wolves were on a trajectory to finish 4th or 5th. KAT didn't do well in the playoffs that season, but he was 22 years old playing in his first post-season. He performed really well in last season's series against Memphis.

KAT's a great player, albeit an annoying one sometimes. I get that he's not a #1 on a championship contender, but with Ant here we don't need him to be a #1. TC messed things up with his idiotic trade for Gobert. And KAT had a serious injury this season. I think TC would compound his screw-up if he traded KAT this summer without first moving Rudy and trying to get this team back to what it was when it finished 10 games above .500 with KAT as its centerpiece. I'd love to see KAT play a full season healthy with the much improved Ant and McDaniels along with Kyle Anderson. Next season Ant would be the centerpiece or #1 unlike last season and KAT would be the #2. That's a potentially winning formula.

Yes, it was time to move on from Wiggins a few years ago. But KAT's a different story.

TC should move Rudy this summer for a rotation player, one future first and some salary flexibility. If things don't go well next season, the Wolves can trade KAT next summer and still get a substantial return for him.

We've been on opposing sides of the KAT debate for a while now Lip. No one denies he's a terrific offensive player. But I think if you really want to see this franchise finally win, you would see that we can be better without KAT than with him. Based on what I read on social media, the tide is turning in terms of what the fanbase feels about Towns. The majority seems to be ready to move on. And that's a change from last year at this time. The substantial return you think will be there into the future is in real jeopardy in my opinion.

Abe addressed the twitter thing. We'll just have to continue to agree to disagree on trading KAT. But I'm closer to your view than I used to be. :)

[thedoper]

I'd like to see this team continue to grow a defensive identity. I have been dumbfounded in KAT's whole career how bad of a defender he is. The real problem seems to be his D continues to get worse. I don't see a defensive identity ever develop with a KAT team, where KAT believes he's the best player and also believes he's a good defender. I am 100% sure if you asked KAT today if he is a good defender, he would say that he is.