Rudy Gobert to the Timberwolves

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60WinTim wrote:
Phenom's_Revenge wrote:
WildWolf2813 wrote:So Minott might as well get the Gupta special and Knight might as well make the team as the third big.


Now they need backcourt help. Big time. There's nothing there at guard outside of Edwards/Nowell/Russell/McLaughlin


The hope is that there will be vets seeing what is happening here and be ready to jump aboard.


And don't forget about Moore. Our roster was getting bloated. This trade helped thin it and added a pretty amazing player. He is a star BTW. Just not a high volume scorer. But his contributions everywhere else are off the charts!


He's a guy who turned 30 a week ago who had a really productive career who thought COVID wasn't real and constantly fought with Mitchell about touches.
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kekgeek1 wrote:I want to say this also. The wolves have worst case scenario protection in 29. So if it does blow up they do have protection there.

I also want to say this board including myself think Anthony Edwards and Jaden Mcdaniels are going to be really fucking good. They will be still under team control and be 27 and 28 years old. This is a bet on those 2 also that the wolves will not suck with those 2 in their prime.

Obviously feels like a lot on the surface but the wolves are legit contenders now and their 2 young studs will be under contract through it all.

Kek! Language. LOL
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CoolBreeze44 wrote:
kekgeek1 wrote:I want to say this also. The wolves have worst case scenario protection in 29. So if it does blow up they do have protection there.

I also want to say this board including myself think Anthony Edwards and Jaden Mcdaniels are going to be really fucking good. They will be still under team control and be 27 and 28 years old. This is a bet on those 2 also that the wolves will not suck with those 2 in their prime.

Obviously feels like a lot on the surface but the wolves are legit contenders now and their 2 young studs will be under contract through it all.

Kek! Language. LOL



Well I think there going to be really super Fucking good!
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CoolBreeze44 wrote:Now we DO have someone who can slow down Giannis


So two regular season games and a (potential) finals appearance (where the refs could actually call the charges)? That makes this worth it?
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TheGrey08 wrote:
PorkChop wrote:1st round picks are just to valuable. Especially for small market teams.


That's the biggest thing for me. They now cannot trade a pick until 2031 lol. They blew all of their draft trade capital on Gobert.

2 picks + Kessler + Bev/Beas/filler and I'd be on board. Instead they gave up 2 more picks and threw in Vando, who would have been very nice to have on the bench.


Minnesota can still trade their first-round picks on future draft nights, and I expect that to remain an option in the future. We might need to expect that actually as that is one avenue to recouping draft capital via trading down or out of their slot. They're just handcuffed when it comes to trading future first-round picks. They definitely went all-in here.

Question:

Would you rather give up what they inevitably did, or would you rather give up Jaden McDaniels and only three unprotected first-round picks? That seems like what it probably came down to.


I would have rather they hung up the phone. You a "Breaking Bad" fan? Bogdon called back, and so would have Ainge.
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JasonIsDaMan wrote:
CoolBreeze44 wrote:Now we DO have someone who can slow down Giannis


So two regular season games and a (potential) finals appearance (where the refs could actually call the charges)? That makes this worth it?

It's so great to have you pop in every 6 months or so to impart your wisdom on us pleebs. Thank you.
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Camden wrote:We'll have to agree to disagree on that particular point. Like I've said repeatedly, I wouldn't have made this trade, but Tim Connelly agreeing to such a deal is no easy decision. I don't understand how you both think that he took the easy way out.

For starters, it's extremely difficult to acquire elite talent in the NBA. There has to be the right circumstances for both teams and meeting in the middle, in terms of price, is always a challenge. Furthermore, Connelly has always relied on the draft and had great success in doing so. Do you really think it was easy for him to pull the trigger on losing four future first-round picks? I certainly don't. And with a deal of this magnitude there's always increased discussion and speculation about the man who pulled the trigger and what his fate will be if it goes south. Connelly has essentially put his reputation and future career in jeopardy with this trade because if it indeed doesn't work out to ownership's liking he could be without a job. The easy thing to do would have been to keep everything as it was and simply rely on internal growth, which most of us would have been fine with. Going all-in takes guts. It takes confidence. Confidence in his star players. Confidence in his current accumulation of young talent and depth. And perhaps most importantly, confidence in himself and the front office he's assembled to continue to find young talent as well as role-playing veterans through more difficult avenues. If anything, this was the much harder road to go, but one that gives Minnesota the best chance at a championship.


I totally disagree that this was the harder road for him. TC essentially borrowed someone else's chips to go all in with. If we win a title or even make a finals and another WCF, he's the hero. But if this deal goes completely south (injuries, chemistry issues, bad fit on the court or just general underperformance), he's gone by 2025 and doesn't have to deal with a potentially mediocre team missing 3 of its next 5 first round picks, along with a pick swap on the 4th. This was a low risk/high reward move TC personally, and apparently there's no one else in the organization (owners or business side) that wanted to hold him accountable.
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WolvesFan21 wrote:
KG4Ever wrote:For the record, I hate this trade, hated Butler trade and hated DLo trade. This might even be the worst one of the bunch. What the fkk happened to "no shortcuts." Timmy getting paid $8 million to make garbage trades like this. Geez, I might be done with this team as I don't think I'll ever live to see them win anything. Go Warriors!


You do know Rudy is a better player then KAT right? There is a thing called defense and the Wolves just got it done. They are also banking on those picks being late 1st rounders, with Ant here who legitimately could be a top 5 player in a few years those odds are fairly likely as well.

I love the trade. The Wolves are now Championship contenders.


Man you are so good at this.
1. What a shock that a guy who cuts-and-pastes wikipedia pages from 60-year-old events and posts 30-year-old TV clips has a problem with the concept of "regressing with age".
2. Rudy Gobert is a 30 year old man who has had a tremendous career as a defensive player. KAT is 25, should be used a more-athletic Dirk (which no one seems to figure out), and is finally playing for a good coach.
3. For Ant to develop, his usage rate actually has to increase SLIGHTY. So between Ant and Kat, the guy who Bitched constantly about Donovan Mitchell taking too many shots is now going to be OK?
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D-Loser wrote:
Camden wrote:We'll have to agree to disagree on that particular point. Like I've said repeatedly, I wouldn't have made this trade, but Tim Connelly agreeing to such a deal is no easy decision. I don't understand how you both think that he took the easy way out.

For starters, it's extremely difficult to acquire elite talent in the NBA. There has to be the right circumstances for both teams and meeting in the middle, in terms of price, is always a challenge. Furthermore, Connelly has always relied on the draft and had great success in doing so. Do you really think it was easy for him to pull the trigger on losing four future first-round picks? I certainly don't. And with a deal of this magnitude there's always increased discussion and speculation about the man who pulled the trigger and what his fate will be if it goes south. Connelly has essentially put his reputation and future career in jeopardy with this trade because if it indeed doesn't work out to ownership's liking he could be without a job. The easy thing to do would have been to keep everything as it was and simply rely on internal growth, which most of us would have been fine with. Going all-in takes guts. It takes confidence. Confidence in his star players. Confidence in his current accumulation of young talent and depth. And perhaps most importantly, confidence in himself and the front office he's assembled to continue to find young talent as well as role-playing veterans through more difficult avenues. If anything, this was the much harder road to go, but one that gives Minnesota the best chance at a championship.


I totally disagree that this was the harder road for him. TC essentially borrowed someone else's chips to go all in with. If we win a title or even make a finals and another WCF, he's the hero. But if this deal goes completely south (injuries, chemistry issues, bad fit on the court or just general underperformance), he's gone by 2025 and doesn't have to deal with a potentially mediocre team missing 3 of its next 5 first round picks, along with a pick swap on the 4th. This was a low risk/high reward move TC personally, and apparently there's no one else in the organization (owners or business side) that wanted to hold him accountable.


Uhh, you're contradicting yourself here. If this deal goes south, Tim Connelly likely doesn't have a job here anymore, which you even acknowledged. How do you find that to be "low risk" for him? Putting your career on the line isn't risky?

Also, as I already mentioned, it's Connelly who will be operating without those first-round picks. He's the one who's going to have to be creative in adding supplemental talent. He's going to be held responsible for replenishing the roster with young talent despite having less resources to do so (because he spent them on Rudy Gobert). Again, that's a calculated risk by him and the front office he assembled that they'll be capable.

In one breath you're suggesting that Connelly took the easy road -- that he took a low-risk, high-reward move, personally. And in another you acknowledge that if it doesn't work out he'll be fired, essentially ruining his golden reputation because of this singular trade. In reality, it's a high-risk, high-reward move for Connelly despite Gobert's steady greatness as a player. If it works out, he's a stud and will receive the credit. If it doesn't, then he's the fool and will likely be fired.
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monsterpile wrote:
TheGrey08 wrote:A lot of good stuff here, several posts with good insight, food for thought, etc. Too many of you to name, but some points off the top of my head:
Finch has done well with 2 bigs before, Gobert is an analytics monster, his small drop in the playoffs is likely largely to do with supporting cast, he is an ELITE defender/rebounder & he fills the teams biggest need, he's 30 but his game isn't dependent on athleticism, huge contract but the cap is expected to jump big time again, trade compensation, keeping Jaden, and much more.

I still believe they very much overpaid (giving up what the Lakers did for Davis & some would argue more) and that opinion is not dependent on the success/failure of the team moving forward. I can say they overpaid while also liking the idea of adding Gobert.

If we have 2 choices, take this deal & win it all or walk away because the cost was too much, I think all of us (including those of us who see this as an objectively bad trade value wise) would say screw it, give me the chip.

I can get behind trading for Gobert, I just hate seeing my mid market/hard to draw in big name free agents, team badly overpay and give up all draft capital flexibility for 8 years. That's it in a nutshell. It's not the who could we have had at those slots, it's what trade flexibility they missing by not keeping '27 and '29.

Lastly, I'm intrigued and excited to see this new starting 5 in action, especially as someone who has BADLY wanted to see KAT next to a legit defensive/rebounding big. Gobert's strengths are most of what the Wolves badly lacked last year so I can understand why the team went so hard to get him. It's just tough to objectively swallow, but I'm trying to focus now on what the team has vs what it does not. It should be an exciting season.


This is a good post.

FWIW regardless they have up A LOT for Gobert I personally think the Lakers gave up much more in terms of value in that deal. Lonzo Ball, Ingram and Hart were a pretty good trio of players still on rookie deals sent to the Pels aside from all the draft picks. The Wolves sent a couple fringe starters and basically 2 guys that were essentially outside the lottery picks in Bolmaro and Kessler. The Wolves didn't send 2 former #2 overall picks in the deal. The Pels got much higher end talent in that deal than anything the Wolves gave up.

That's fair. I was definitely simplifying it in my head and looking at it as being around 5-6 1st round picks in value and at the time thought the Lakers were overpaying as well based on the history of top 10 players being traded.
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