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AbeVigodaLive wrote:Going from a strict +/- angle... Gobert is the reason the Wolves lost.

Not just because he was ejected for an egregious and stupid trip... but he was also -11 in only 9 minutes.



[Note: I'd chime in on reasons why +/- for certain players might need some context, but we've been over that too many times now to count. It's just one stat of many, so relying on it as THE stat to judge a player's performance for one specific game... meh.]


Seldom is one person "the" reason for a loss, and that is the situation here too. That said, I would agree that Gobert was the primary reason for the loss because of his childish behavior that resulted in an (unwarranted) ejection. Yes, he was a negative during his minutes on the court, but it was becoming clear that undersized OkC had no answer for him inside (6 points on just 3 shots and 4 rebounds in his 9 minutes), and he was on his way to a big statistical game. It's also likely he would have provided some deterrence to SGA around the rim if he had played his usual 30+ minutes. And we have little chance to win with both our 7 footers out.

But I would also give honorary mention to Jaden's inability to guard SGA without fouling and thus being limited to 18 minutes, and Russell's indifferent and ineffective defense...both were as maddening to me as Gobert's stupidity.

I'm not aware of any poster here who relies on +/- as THE stat. Personally, I look at a myriad of stats depending on the role the player plays ...efficient shooting and A:TO ratio are two of my favorites in evaluating a PG. But when a certain player (and we know the dozen or so around the league we are talking about here) has consistently performed poorly throughout his career in this particular stat (again, one of many stats), it seems lazy to me to not analyze why that continues to happen. Unfortunately nobody has come up with a reliable stat to evaluate a certain player's defensive effectiveness, and that is a major reason for the division here in evaluating DLo's performance in this particular game (and perhaps his entire career). Some focus primarily on the offensive side of the ball and praise (fairly) DLo's offensive effectiveness in this game. But others can't help but observe how often we are left playing 4 on 5 on defense, and how easy it is for our opponent to score when he is out there.

My overall thought about this game though is that it was quite entertaining, despite the maddening defensive lapses. Giddy and SGA are really fun to watch. The Wolves shot almost 53% from the field (not as good on threes though) and Ant, DLo, Naz and Jaylen were nearly unstoppable on offense. I don't like losing to an average team like the Thunder at home, but it was still fun to watch and we would have won with Rudy playing his normal minutes. Finchie has a couple things he needs to fix with KAT out (or even with him in, for that matter), but I am far from giving up on this team.

Edit: Oh, and one more thing. Tim is fired from starting GDTs, especially when he chooses to go to the 20th anniversary showing of Love Actually instead of cheering his team on!
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AbeVigodaLive wrote:
WolvesFan21 wrote:I bet there is some correlation between political preferences and basketball analysis. The left and right wingers focus on a few cognitive confirmation biases to support their own preconceived notions. Whatever media source they watch sports on is what they will be programmed to believe in.

While the Libertarians and Anarchists see the entire picture for what it is. They look at every stat, every metric as well as the eye test to form their own opinions. The are not easily manipulated sheep by the large media giants. They understand that defense is part of basketball!!!



The anarchists have always seemed like the most level-headed analytical group.

Personally, I'm in favor of my seemingly one-man-only Pragmatist party. But it means a lot of wishy washiness and to be fair assessments that simply don't play well in acidic online forums.


Those are fake anarchists. The medias portrayal of what they want you to think. Police or actors will even dress up as "anarchists" and go create mischief (breaking windows or throwing rocks at police) to discredit the real people. Police are the real terrorists and they know it.

You can't be a real anarchist without being level headed and rational. It's a prerequisite.
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WolvesFan21 wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
WolvesFan21 wrote:I bet there is some correlation between political preferences and basketball analysis. The left and right wingers focus on a few cognitive confirmation biases to support their own preconceived notions. Whatever media source they watch sports on is what they will be programmed to believe in.

While the Libertarians and Anarchists see the entire picture for what it is. They look at every stat, every metric as well as the eye test to form their own opinions. The are not easily manipulated sheep by the large media giants. They understand that defense is part of basketball!!!



The anarchists have always seemed like the most level-headed analytical group.

Personally, I'm in favor of my seemingly one-man-only Pragmatist party. But it means a lot of wishy washiness and to be fair assessments that simply don't play well in acidic online forums.


Those are fake anarchists. The medias portrayal of what they want you to think. Police or actors will even dress up as "anarchists" and go create mischief (breaking windows or throwing rocks at police) to discredit the real people. Police are the real terrorists and they know it.

You can't be a real anarchist without being level headed and rational. It's a prerequisite.



Abe duped again.
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AbeVigodaLive wrote:
WolvesFan21 wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
WolvesFan21 wrote:I bet there is some correlation between political preferences and basketball analysis. The left and right wingers focus on a few cognitive confirmation biases to support their own preconceived notions. Whatever media source they watch sports on is what they will be programmed to believe in.

While the Libertarians and Anarchists see the entire picture for what it is. They look at every stat, every metric as well as the eye test to form their own opinions. The are not easily manipulated sheep by the large media giants. They understand that defense is part of basketball!!!



The anarchists have always seemed like the most level-headed analytical group.

Personally, I'm in favor of my seemingly one-man-only Pragmatist party. But it means a lot of wishy washiness and to be fair assessments that simply don't play well in acidic online forums.


Those are fake anarchists. The medias portrayal of what they want you to think. Police or actors will even dress up as "anarchists" and go create mischief (breaking windows or throwing rocks at police) to discredit the real people. Police are the real terrorists and they know it.

You can't be a real anarchist without being level headed and rational. It's a prerequisite.



Abe duped again.


It's easy to get duped.
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WolvesFan21 wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
WolvesFan21 wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
WolvesFan21 wrote:I bet there is some correlation between political preferences and basketball analysis. The left and right wingers focus on a few cognitive confirmation biases to support their own preconceived notions. Whatever media source they watch sports on is what they will be programmed to believe in.

While the Libertarians and Anarchists see the entire picture for what it is. They look at every stat, every metric as well as the eye test to form their own opinions. The are not easily manipulated sheep by the large media giants. They understand that defense is part of basketball!!!



The anarchists have always seemed like the most level-headed analytical group.

Personally, I'm in favor of my seemingly one-man-only Pragmatist party. But it means a lot of wishy washiness and to be fair assessments that simply don't play well in acidic online forums.


Those are fake anarchists. The medias portrayal of what they want you to think. Police or actors will even dress up as "anarchists" and go create mischief (breaking windows or throwing rocks at police) to discredit the real people. Police are the real terrorists and they know it.

You can't be a real anarchist without being level headed and rational. It's a prerequisite.



Abe duped again.


It's easy to get duped.



Yeah. I'm such a rube. Thanks for showing me the light.
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Well, this GDT turned into both a loss and a shit show. I vote 60WinDoug doesn't start anymore GDTs.
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There was a lot to analyze in this loss...some good, some bad. Jon K talks about mostly the bad in his latest article in the Athletic ( I don't know if this will show up for non-subscribers, but get a cheap subscription if you don't already have one!). Read it and pay particular attention to Ant's lazy defense in the first video clip. He and JMac are applying full court pressure, but after Ant's man gets the ball back in the back court, he just gives up and allows him to get to the rim for a fast break layup. Disgraceful...it's lack of effort like that that allows an offensively-challenged team like OkC to put up 135 points on us.

https://theathletic.com/3966111/2022/12/04/timberwolves-lose-their-cool-okc/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983
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FNG wrote:There was a lot to analyze in this loss...some good, some bad. Jon K talks about mostly the bad in his latest article in the Athletic ( I don't know if this will show up for non-subscribers, but get a cheap subscription if you don't already have one!). Read it and pay particular attention to Ant's lazy defense in the first video clip. He and JMac are applying full court pressure, but after Ant's man gets the ball back in the back court, he just gives up and allows him to get to the rim for a fast break layup. Disgraceful...it's lack of effort like that that allows an offensively-challenged team like OkC to put up 135 points on us.

https://theathletic.com/3966111/2022/12/04/timberwolves-lose-their-cool-okc/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983


Dude had 6 steals in the game, he put all of his energy into that third quarter, and ended up asking out of the game at the end of the third quarter when he ran out of energy. Ant has some lapses here and there....all the players do.
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I loved the steals, rap, and the way he kept getting to the basket and finishing...it was a good game for Ant. But there's no excuse for his lazy close outs during the game or his lack of effort on this play. Ant has 2-way superstar potential, but inconsistent effort could hold him back.
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Carlos Danger wrote:Well, this GDT turned into both a loss and a shit show. I vote 60WinDoug doesn't start anymore GDTs.



Yeah. That guy ruins everything.
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