The rip through move

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Kevin Durant and Chris Paul made it into an art form, and now DLo is effectively using it at least once a game to his and our team's advantage. I don't know about you guys, but even if I love it in the moment (DLo is heady, and he seems to use it at very beneficial times), I really dislike the move. It's Hardenian IMO...smart, bur ugly... and I don't like Harden. It should be clear to the referees that Paul and DLo are not making a "basketball move", but are only doing something with the intention of drawing a bullshit foul. The NBA made a slight rule change back in 2021 when Durant was getting to the line frequently using this move and limited the circumstances in which it would be a shooting foul, but they didn't outlaw it. I would further change the rule to give the referee the discretion to not call a foul when a player is not trying to do something with the intention of leading to a basket. I think I would trust any ref to judge when a player is not in the act of passing or shooting, but merely trying to create contact, and deem it to be a no-harm no-foul situation. Unfortunately this change would not help our team, but I think it would be very good for the game. I cringe every time a rip through foul is called, but more so when it is called against us.

What do you guys think? Do you like rip through fouls, or do you see it as a Harden-like move that doesn't add to basketball fans' enjoyment? And I guess as a further question, are there other rules that bug you and where you would like to see a rule change?

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

It's part of the game. As a defender, if you don't want that foul called on you, then don't reach and get your hand/arm caught in the cookie jar. For the most part, offensive players aren't using the rip through for no reason. They're sweeping through because the defender has his arms out in front of him in an undisciplined fashion. Watch D'Angelo Russell the next time he draws that foul and focus on the defender before Russell goes into his motion.

James Harden is the exception to this as he will typically hunt that contact regardless of the defender's positioning.

[AbeVigodaLive]

I hate it.

I dig that the Wolves finally have a player savvy enough to take advantage of it.

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Kevin Durant and Chris Paul made it into an art form, and now DLo is effectively using it at least once a game to his and our team's advantage. I don't know about you guys, but even if I love it in the moment (DLo is heady, and he seems to use it at very beneficial times), I really dislike the move. It's Hardenian IMO...smart, bur ugly... and I don't like Harden. It should be clear to the referees that Paul and DLo are not making a "basketball move", but are only doing something with the intention of drawing a bullshit foul. The NBA made a slight rule change back in 2021 when Durant was getting to the line frequently using this move and limited the circumstances in which it would be a shooting foul, but they didn't outlaw it. I would further change the rule to give the referee the discretion to not call a foul when a player is not trying to do something with the intention of leading to a basket. I think I would trust any ref to judge when a player is not in the act of passing or shooting, but merely trying to create contact, and deem it to be a no-harm no-foul situation. Unfortunately this change would not help our team, but I think it would be very good for the game. I cringe every time a rip through foul is called, but more so when it is called against us.

What do you guys think? Do you like rip through fouls, or do you see it as a Harden-like move that doesn't add to basketball fans' enjoyment? And I guess as a further question, are there other rules that bug you and where you would like to see a rule change?

I don't really like it either, but I thought the rule change made a few years ago was a reasonable one. Players just have to know to stay vertical when guarding DLO. In fact, if you watch DLO defend, he himself is really good at walling up and making himself as big and vertical as possible, so he never becomes the victim of the rip-through move as a defender.

Jaden McDaniels on the other hand is absolutely horrible at this and just can't help put bring his arms down to handcheck guys and gets called ALL the time on this and that's without people using rip-through moves. I imagine DLO would have a field day with Jaden guarding him. And the thing about Jaden is he actually can move his feet really well.

[Monster]

Kevin Durant and Chris Paul made it into an art form, and now DLo is effectively using it at least once a game to his and our team's advantage. I don't know about you guys, but even if I love it in the moment (DLo is heady, and he seems to use it at very beneficial times), I really dislike the move. It's Hardenian IMO...smart, bur ugly... and I don't like Harden. It should be clear to the referees that Paul and DLo are not making a "basketball move", but are only doing something with the intention of drawing a bullshit foul. The NBA made a slight rule change back in 2021 when Durant was getting to the line frequently using this move and limited the circumstances in which it would be a shooting foul, but they didn't outlaw it. I would further change the rule to give the referee the discretion to not call a foul when a player is not trying to do something with the intention of leading to a basket. I think I would trust any ref to judge when a player is not in the act of passing or shooting, but merely trying to create contact, and deem it to be a no-harm no-foul situation. Unfortunately this change would not help our team, but I think it would be very good for the game. I cringe every time a rip through foul is called, but more so when it is called against us.

What do you guys think? Do you like rip through fouls, or do you see it as a Harden-like move that doesn't add to basketball fans' enjoyment? And I guess as a further question, are there other rules that bug you and where you would like to see a rule change?

I don't really like it either, but I thought the rule change made a few years ago was a reasonable one. Players just have to know to stay vertical when guarding DLO. In fact, if you watch DLO defend, he himself is really good at walling up and making himself as big and vertical as possible, so he never becomes the victim of the rip-through move as a defender.

Jaden McDaniels on the other hand is absolutely horrible at this and just can't help put bring his arms down to handcheck guys and gets called ALL the time on this and that's without people using rip-through moves. I imagine DLO would have a field day with Jaden guarding him. And the thing about Jaden is he actually can move his feet really well.

There are times players use this rip through moves where the defender actually has their hand/s on the offensive player. Like Cam said if you don't want to get called don't be doing that. I think the rule change where it doesn't result in FTs was good enough. I don't always like the rip through move either but If someone is gonna put their hands on you then you should have a chance to get a call if they are doing something that is not technically legal. I also don't think you can start calling a foul every time a defender touches someone. That would mean changing the way the game is played at many levels.

Jaden I think it's actually good with his hands poking around making life difficult on players he guards but yes he should actually do more of what Q suggests slide around and use his length to just be big more. I think the was the Wolves played aggressively on D was actually not the best for a defender like him. I think he will figure it out and I think he has had better team defensive instincts than someone like Okogie. I could see him someday actually having that as a strength on D kinda like a Covington than being a guy pestering players at the point of attack.