CoolBreeze44 wrote:I'm cutting Gupta slack. We are playing our best ball in a long time, and lets be honest, no one is giving anything for Jake Layman. At worst, we have a team that can beat anyone at home, and just about every team on the road. The chemistry is awesome. Relax. Enjoy the ride.
He's also the interim GM, so I doubt he has the freedom to make trades without ownership approval. If ownership isn't interested in making changes he's dead in the water.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:I'm cutting Gupta slack. We are playing our best ball in a long time, and lets be honest, no one is giving anything for Jake Layman. At worst, we have a team that can beat anyone at home, and just about every team on the road. The chemistry is awesome. Relax. Enjoy the ride.
He's also the interim GM, so I doubt he has the freedom to make trades without ownership approval. If ownership isn't interested in making changes he's dead in the water.
If ownership doesn't give their interim GM power to make deals then why even give them the job anyway? That's on ownership. I'm not really buying that but I get what you are saying.
I still think it has more to do with the Lux tax and the real active success of the current roster. For example unless it's big upgrade do you really want to deal Prince right now? There just wasn't many guys that were you ok just trade me guys. Basically it was Jake Layman and that's it. I'm guessing Beasley was a guy that was available but they wanted to make the right deal and get value for him if they did. They clearly didn't find a match. That's fine with me although I kinda hope we move him this offseason for value.
kekgeek1 wrote:Wolves are standing pat. A lot of discussions but never could land on the right fit. Good team chemistry, now they will finish this season out and see how far they can go.
Per Jon K
I'm going to assume Gupta didn't have the power to make moves. Probably the best trade of the day for wolves was the mavs trade. That sure felt we need to retool this team and were not a top 6 team type trade.
I do have one question though. Didn't we have get rid of some salary to be under the tax line? As I'm trying to learn I don't know how that stuff works.
The Wolves are like 600k under the lux tax line. That is why it was hard to make a trade for a big Center. Layman for either Lopez or Len would of put us over the tax line. Then for Harrell, either Prince, Bev or Beasley would of needed to be in the trade to keep us under that number. I don't know if I would of liked trading any of those guys for Harrell.
Like I know people will be disappointed Gupta didn't do anything but it was really hard for him to make a move if he wasn't allowed to go over the tax line (There are punishments for going over this line)
Reid, Okogie, and Layman for Harrell worked and kept Minnesota below the luxury tax. I'm not championing for that trade, but it wouldn't have required Beverley, Beasley, or Prince.
Similarly, Minnesota could have offloaded Layman and a second-round pick to Oklahoma City and then swapped Okogie and a second to Orlando for Lopez, hypothetically.
There were avenues to take if they wanted to get a deal done. I'm not interested in excuses for Gupta, though, especially considering he's auditioning for the job moving forward.
Cam - I'm with you in not cutting Gupta any slack. I won't judge him harshly for failing to make any moves since I was content to stand pat. But I would have preferred to see us swap Layman for a big or the cap space to sign a big like Monroe. And I think a Layman deal to accomplish that was feasible. The three-way you suggested with OKC and Orlando would have been a good one and I can't see either team turning that one down. Second round picks tend to have more value at the deadline than they do on draft day. We have three second round picks this year. I think one of those three plus Layman would have been enough to end up with Lopez or Monroe. Not a big deal, but every little thing matters when your battling for a playoff spot and your within a couple games of those above and blow you.
kekgeek1 wrote:Wolves are standing pat. A lot of discussions but never could land on the right fit. Good team chemistry, now they will finish this season out and see how far they can go.
Per Jon K
I'm going to assume Gupta didn't have the power to make moves. Probably the best trade of the day for wolves was the mavs trade. That sure felt we need to retool this team and were not a top 6 team type trade.
I do have one question though. Didn't we have get rid of some salary to be under the tax line? As I'm trying to learn I don't know how that stuff works.
The Wolves are like 600k under the lux tax line. That is why it was hard to make a trade for a big Center. Layman for either Lopez or Len would of put us over the tax line. Then for Harrell, either Prince, Bev or Beasley would of needed to be in the trade to keep us under that number. I don't know if I would of liked trading any of those guys for Harrell.
Like I know people will be disappointed Gupta didn't do anything but it was really hard for him to make a move if he wasn't allowed to go over the tax line (There are punishments for going over this line)
Reid, Okogie, and Layman for Harrell worked and kept Minnesota below the luxury tax. I'm not championing for that trade, but it wouldn't have required Beverley, Beasley, or Prince.
Similarly, Minnesota could have offloaded Layman and a second-round pick to Oklahoma City and then swapped Okogie and a second to Orlando for Lopez, hypothetically.
There were avenues to take if they wanted to get a deal done. I'm not interested in excuses for Gupta, though, especially considering he's auditioning for the job moving forward.
Cam - I'm with you in not cutting Gupta any slack. I won't judge him harshly for failing to make any moves since I was content to stand pat. But I would have preferred to see us swap Layman for a big or the cap space to sign a big like Monroe. And I think a Layman deal to accomplish that was feasible. The three-way you suggested with OKC and Orlando would have been a good one and I can't see either team turning that one down. Second round picks tend to have more value at the deadline than they do on draft day. We have three second round picks this year. I think one of those three plus Layman would have been enough to end up with Lopez or Monroe. Not a big deal, but every little thing matters when your battling for a playoff spot and your within a couple games of those above and blow you.
Orlando wanted a first rounder for Robin Lopez.
Well...nobody was gonna pay that.
Maybe Orlando POBO Jeff Weltman trying to get a 1st round pick in the NBA League executive fantasy football league? That I could believe...Maybe. Lol
kekgeek1 wrote:Wolves are standing pat. A lot of discussions but never could land on the right fit. Good team chemistry, now they will finish this season out and see how far they can go.
Per Jon K
I'm going to assume Gupta didn't have the power to make moves. Probably the best trade of the day for wolves was the mavs trade. That sure felt we need to retool this team and were not a top 6 team type trade.
I do have one question though. Didn't we have get rid of some salary to be under the tax line? As I'm trying to learn I don't know how that stuff works.
The Wolves are like 600k under the lux tax line. That is why it was hard to make a trade for a big Center. Layman for either Lopez or Len would of put us over the tax line. Then for Harrell, either Prince, Bev or Beasley would of needed to be in the trade to keep us under that number. I don't know if I would of liked trading any of those guys for Harrell.
Like I know people will be disappointed Gupta didn't do anything but it was really hard for him to make a move if he wasn't allowed to go over the tax line (There are punishments for going over this line)
Reid, Okogie, and Layman for Harrell worked and kept Minnesota below the luxury tax. I'm not championing for that trade, but it wouldn't have required Beverley, Beasley, or Prince.
Similarly, Minnesota could have offloaded Layman and a second-round pick to Oklahoma City and then swapped Okogie and a second to Orlando for Lopez, hypothetically.
There were avenues to take if they wanted to get a deal done. I'm not interested in excuses for Gupta, though, especially considering he's auditioning for the job moving forward.
Cam - I'm with you in not cutting Gupta any slack. I won't judge him harshly for failing to make any moves since I was content to stand pat. But I would have preferred to see us swap Layman for a big or the cap space to sign a big like Monroe. And I think a Layman deal to accomplish that was feasible. The three-way you suggested with OKC and Orlando would have been a good one and I can't see either team turning that one down. Second round picks tend to have more value at the deadline than they do on draft day. We have three second round picks this year. I think one of those three plus Layman would have been enough to end up with Lopez or Monroe. Not a big deal, but every little thing matters when your battling for a playoff spot and your within a couple games of those above and blow you.
Orlando wanted a first rounder for Robin Lopez.
Well...nobody was gonna pay that.
Maybe Orlando POBO Jeff Weltman trying to get a 1st round pick in the NBA League executive fantasy football league? That I could believe...Maybe. Lol
Lol. That's a good one, Monster. I don't believe that report. There's no way the Magic expected a first-round pick in exchange for Robin Lopez. Just put that in the category of you can't believe everything you read. :)
