D-Loser wrote:I agree with you both here. I'd be good with dlo coming back for something like 4/70, but honestly he's just not as important as the other 4. How much do we really lose right now when Nowell has to cover his minutes? I'd argue very little. Don't get me wrong, he's having a good year and we would miss his play making a bit, but he's the easiest to replace, especially at his expected cost.
Alright, I'll bite. What makes you think the bolded text is anywhere close to being true? I'm willing to hear the argument if you'll provide it. Respectfully.
I just don't understand how we're this far into the season and still have fans undervaluing the impact D-Lo has as a scorer, facilitator, and defender (yes) in Minnesota's backcourt. The team is vastly different with and without him.
I don't understand your issue with my statement. He's a solid starter on a decent team. That's what a solid starter on a decent team makes. The future of this team is kat and ant. We have to spend wisely after those two max guys. Again, he's had a good year, but he's not a star, like you seem to believe. Two things... often times when he's out I find myself thinking I'd be good if he just didn't come back... also, I always laugh when the announcers say he's such a clutch player... maybe if he was a little better regular player he wouldn't have to be so clutch. Yep, I think he's a replacement level starter... aka a league average starter. Yep, I think he's a replacement level starter... aka a league average starter. He's going to delusionally ask for 30M/year. let's see if we're dumb enough to give it to him
You offer no data here to back up your claims. What is your evidence of him being a replacement level starter? How does the team actually do when he is not in the lineup versus how you think and feel like? These are things you can go lookup hard data on.
I gotta give you credit. You are right on brand here!
I'll double down on this with Q. Where's your Data at? I been on the trading Naz train but I have no data to back it up. It's all eye test for me because I don't really understand the stats and I'm trying to learn more about them. But if someone on here gave me a bunch of data on why Naz is good fit for this team I would probably change my mind.
Countless times people have given stats on how DLO is a new player and is playing to his potential now. The team is in its best position in 15-20 years.
Also it's Pretty hard to take you seriously when you appeared out of nowhere and you made your ID on here D-Loser.
I've been reading this board regularly since it was on espn, so I guess I didn't show up out of nowhere. Also... don't care about data... I get more than enough data at work. I watch every game and trust the eye test. If you're a data guy, I'm happy for you. He's an average starter (meaning he's our 3rd best starter) on an average team (us exactly)... what's the issue?
Well as I told the umpire who tossed me out when I was 17 for squeezing the strike zone on me all game long.
Make sure you put my name on referral when you go get LASIK so I can get the free $100 bucks.
Stick to baseball chump. I think you're mad because I called you one of the two worst posters on this forum (again, I've been reading it along time!)
I see just fine. I actually like dlo, but I like him at 4/70 on his next contract.
Jester humbled himself crossing over from baseball to basketball and is now one of the BEST posters on this forum. You on the other hand are a one trick pony whose sole purpose is to troll DLO.
There is a legitimate debate to be had about DLO's value and indeed it is not cut and dry. But when you literally rename yourself "D-Loser" and don't offer any value other than criticizing one player, you have zero credibility in calling out other posters.
D-Loser wrote:I agree with you both here. I'd be good with dlo coming back for something like 4/70, but honestly he's just not as important as the other 4. How much do we really lose right now when Nowell has to cover his minutes? I'd argue very little. Don't get me wrong, he's having a good year and we would miss his play making a bit, but he's the easiest to replace, especially at his expected cost.
Alright, I'll bite. What makes you think the bolded text is anywhere close to being true? I'm willing to hear the argument if you'll provide it. Respectfully.
I just don't understand how we're this far into the season and still have fans undervaluing the impact D-Lo has as a scorer, facilitator, and defender (yes) in Minnesota's backcourt. The team is vastly different with and without him.
I don't understand your issue with my statement. He's a solid starter on a decent team. That's what a solid starter on a decent team makes. The future of this team is kat and ant. We have to spend wisely after those two max guys. Again, he's had a good year, but he's not a star, like you seem to believe. Two things... often times when he's out I find myself thinking I'd be good if he just didn't come back... also, I always laugh when the announcers say he's such a clutch player... maybe if he was a little better regular player he wouldn't have to be so clutch. Yep, I think he's a replacement level starter... aka a league average starter. Yep, I think he's a replacement level starter... aka a league average starter. He's going to delusionally ask for 30M/year. let's see if we're dumb enough to give it to him
You offer no data here to back up your claims. What is your evidence of him being a replacement level starter? How does the team actually do when he is not in the lineup versus how you think and feel like? These are things you can go lookup hard data on.
I gotta give you credit. You are right on brand here!
I'll double down on this with Q. Where's your Data at? I been on the trading Naz train but I have no data to back it up. It's all eye test for me because I don't really understand the stats and I'm trying to learn more about them. But if someone on here gave me a bunch of data on why Naz is good fit for this team I would probably change my mind.
Countless times people have given stats on how DLO is a new player and is playing to his potential now. The team is in its best position in 15-20 years.
Also it's Pretty hard to take you seriously when you appeared out of nowhere and you made your ID on here D-Loser.
I've been reading this board regularly since it was on espn, so I guess I didn't show up out of nowhere. Also... don't care about data... I get more than enough data at work. I watch every game and trust the eye test. If you're a data guy, I'm happy for you. He's an average starter (meaning he's our 3rd best starter) on an average team (us exactly)... what's the issue?
Well as I told the umpire who tossed me out when I was 17 for squeezing the strike zone on me all game long.
Make sure you put my name on referral when you go get LASIK so I can get the free $100 bucks.
Stick to baseball chump. I think you're mad because I called you one of the two worst posters on this forum (again, I've been reading it along time!)
I see just fine. I actually like dlo, but I like him at 4/70 on his next contract.
Jester humbled himself crossing over from baseball to basketball and is now one of the BEST posters on this forum. You on the other hand are a one trick pony whose sole purpose is to troll DLO.
There is a legitimate debate to be had about DLO's value and indeed it is not cut and dry. But when you literally rename yourself "D-Loser" and don't offer any value other than criticizing one player, you have zero credibility in calling out other posters.[/quote
Dude, I'm not a troll. I don't know why I bother responding. I'm ripping on dlo by calling him a league average starter? Lol ok. I think dlo has been pretty good this year. I don't think we should make any trades except for a minor with okogie or layman to get a more physical center... happy that I diversified my subject matter? Btw, who are you? Are you the old Q that forgot his password? lol
D-Loser wrote:I agree with you both here. I'd be good with dlo coming back for something like 4/70, but honestly he's just not as important as the other 4. How much do we really lose right now when Nowell has to cover his minutes? I'd argue very little. Don't get me wrong, he's having a good year and we would miss his play making a bit, but he's the easiest to replace, especially at his expected cost.
Alright, I'll bite. What makes you think the bolded text is anywhere close to being true? I'm willing to hear the argument if you'll provide it. Respectfully.
I just don't understand how we're this far into the season and still have fans undervaluing the impact D-Lo has as a scorer, facilitator, and defender (yes) in Minnesota's backcourt. The team is vastly different with and without him.
I don't understand your issue with my statement. He's a solid starter on a decent team. That's what a solid starter on a decent team makes. The future of this team is kat and ant. We have to spend wisely after those two max guys. Again, he's had a good year, but he's not a star, like you seem to believe. Two things... often times when he's out I find myself thinking I'd be good if he just didn't come back... also, I always laugh when the announcers say he's such a clutch player... maybe if he was a little better regular player he wouldn't have to be so clutch. Yep, I think he's a replacement level starter... aka a league average starter. He's going to delusionally ask for 30M/year. let's see if we're dumb enough to give it to him
I don't have an issue with what you feel like D'Angelo Russell's next contract should be -- even though I disagree and think he's worth more and will get more than your projection.
You casually, and perhaps rhetorically, suggested that the team doesn't really miss Russell when someone else covers his minutes. Literally every meaningful and measurable statistic says otherwise so I was hoping you'd expound upon that for me. I'm actually still willing to hear the argument if you'll present it to me. Perhaps you're right and I'm wrong, but I'd like to hear more so that I may learn something from this.
D-Loser wrote:I agree with you both here. I'd be good with dlo coming back for something like 4/70, but honestly he's just not as important as the other 4. How much do we really lose right now when Nowell has to cover his minutes? I'd argue very little. Don't get me wrong, he's having a good year and we would miss his play making a bit, but he's the easiest to replace, especially at his expected cost.
Alright, I'll bite. What makes you think the bolded text is anywhere close to being true? I'm willing to hear the argument if you'll provide it. Respectfully.
I just don't understand how we're this far into the season and still have fans undervaluing the impact D-Lo has as a scorer, facilitator, and defender (yes) in Minnesota's backcourt. The team is vastly different with and without him.
I don't understand your issue with my statement. He's a solid starter on a decent team. That's what a solid starter on a decent team makes. The future of this team is kat and ant. We have to spend wisely after those two max guys. Again, he's had a good year, but he's not a star, like you seem to believe. Two things... often times when he's out I find myself thinking I'd be good if he just didn't come back... also, I always laugh when the announcers say he's such a clutch player... maybe if he was a little better regular player he wouldn't have to be so clutch. Yep, I think he's a replacement level starter... aka a league average starter. He's going to delusionally ask for 30M/year. let's see if we're dumb enough to give it to him
I don't have an issue with what you feel like D'Angelo Russell's next contract should be -- even though I disagree and think he's worth more and will get more than your projection.
You casually, and perhaps rhetorically, suggested that the team doesn't really miss Russell when someone else covers his minutes. Literally every meaningful and measurable statistic says otherwise so I was hoping you'd expound upon that for me. I'm actually still willing to hear the argument if you'll present it to me. Perhaps you're right and I'm wrong, but I'd like to hear more so that I may learn something from this.
Well nowells shooting percentage is actually way better this season than dlo and he plays better defense. And he makes way less than dlo. Nowell and jmac should honestly be getting more of dlos minutes. dlo is also out way too much. Look at the other guys on this team who play through injuries... not dlo. So there's really no 'perhaps' about it... you're wrong. If we could offload dlo for a 2nd and expirings, I guarantee I could put his 30 mil to much better use this off-season.
D-Loser wrote:I agree with you both here. I'd be good with dlo coming back for something like 4/70, but honestly he's just not as important as the other 4. How much do we really lose right now when Nowell has to cover his minutes? I'd argue very little. Don't get me wrong, he's having a good year and we would miss his play making a bit, but he's the easiest to replace, especially at his expected cost.
Alright, I'll bite. What makes you think the bolded text is anywhere close to being true? I'm willing to hear the argument if you'll provide it. Respectfully.
I just don't understand how we're this far into the season and still have fans undervaluing the impact D-Lo has as a scorer, facilitator, and defender (yes) in Minnesota's backcourt. The team is vastly different with and without him.
I don't understand your issue with my statement. He's a solid starter on a decent team. That's what a solid starter on a decent team makes. The future of this team is kat and ant. We have to spend wisely after those two max guys. Again, he's had a good year, but he's not a star, like you seem to believe. Two things... often times when he's out I find myself thinking I'd be good if he just didn't come back... also, I always laugh when the announcers say he's such a clutch player... maybe if he was a little better regular player he wouldn't have to be so clutch. Yep, I think he's a replacement level starter... aka a league average starter. Yep, I think he's a replacement level starter... aka a league average starter. He's going to delusionally ask for 30M/year. let's see if we're dumb enough to give it to him
You offer no data here to back up your claims. What is your evidence of him being a replacement level starter? How does the team actually do when he is not in the lineup versus how you think and feel like? These are things you can go lookup hard data on.
I gotta give you credit. You are right on brand here!
I'll double down on this with Q. Where's your Data at? I been on the trading Naz train but I have no data to back it up. It's all eye test for me because I don't really understand the stats and I'm trying to learn more about them. But if someone on here gave me a bunch of data on why Naz is good fit for this team I would probably change my mind.
Countless times people have given stats on how DLO is a new player and is playing to his potential now. The team is in its best position in 15-20 years.
Also it's Pretty hard to take you seriously when you appeared out of nowhere and you made your ID on here D-Loser.
I've been reading this board regularly since it was on espn, so I guess I didn't show up out of nowhere. Also... don't care about data... I get more than enough data at work. I watch every game and trust the eye test. If you're a data guy, I'm happy for you. He's an average starter (meaning he's our 3rd best starter) on an average team (us exactly)... what's the issue?
Well as I told the umpire who tossed me out when I was 17 for squeezing the strike zone on me all game long.
Make sure you put my name on referral when you go get LASIK so I can get the free $100 bucks.
Stick to baseball chump. I think you're mad because I called you one of the two worst posters on this forum (again, I've been reading it along time!)
I see just fine. I actually like dlo, but I like him at 4/70 on his next contract.
You did lol I never knew but thanks for giving me the honor. I would agree my grammar is atrocious and I have to edit all the time and it's still bad. I even beat the guy who came out around here trying to sell us rings and shit.
You know what funny is when I was third grade I had to go to eye doctor. Little Jester was positive his eyesight was great but then the moved the picture far away. I knew it was big fucking E but I couldn't see it.
Just like DLO you know he's great for this team but your irrational hate for him makes it so you can't see it because it puts you so far away.
Man I love good dumb analogy lol
My point is if so easy to replace him then why are they 5-9 when he doesn't play this year.
I got my LASIK done at Joffe Medicenter when I was 19. Best decision of my life. Maybe you can go there I know a guy.
I also agree I hope they trade Jake Layman so I don't have to hear about that freakin baby blue eyes ever again :)
D-Loser wrote:I agree with you both here. I'd be good with dlo coming back for something like 4/70, but honestly he's just not as important as the other 4. How much do we really lose right now when Nowell has to cover his minutes? I'd argue very little. Don't get me wrong, he's having a good year and we would miss his play making a bit, but he's the easiest to replace, especially at his expected cost.
Alright, I'll bite. What makes you think the bolded text is anywhere close to being true? I'm willing to hear the argument if you'll provide it. Respectfully.
I just don't understand how we're this far into the season and still have fans undervaluing the impact D-Lo has as a scorer, facilitator, and defender (yes) in Minnesota's backcourt. The team is vastly different with and without him.
I don't understand your issue with my statement. He's a solid starter on a decent team. That's what a solid starter on a decent team makes. The future of this team is kat and ant. We have to spend wisely after those two max guys. Again, he's had a good year, but he's not a star, like you seem to believe. Two things... often times when he's out I find myself thinking I'd be good if he just didn't come back... also, I always laugh when the announcers say he's such a clutch player... maybe if he was a little better regular player he wouldn't have to be so clutch. Yep, I think he's a replacement level starter... aka a league average starter. He's going to delusionally ask for 30M/year. let's see if we're dumb enough to give it to him
I don't have an issue with what you feel like D'Angelo Russell's next contract should be -- even though I disagree and think he's worth more and will get more than your projection.
You casually, and perhaps rhetorically, suggested that the team doesn't really miss Russell when someone else covers his minutes. Literally every meaningful and measurable statistic says otherwise so I was hoping you'd expound upon that for me. I'm actually still willing to hear the argument if you'll present it to me. Perhaps you're right and I'm wrong, but I'd like to hear more so that I may learn something from this.
Well nowells shooting percentage is actually way better this season than dlo and he plays better defense. And he makes way less than dlo. Nowell and jmac should honestly be getting more of dlos minutes. dlo is also out way too much. Look at the other guys on this team who play through injuries... not dlo. So there's really no 'perhaps' about it... you're wrong. If we could offload dlo for a 2nd and expirings, I guarantee I could put his 30 mil to much better use this off-season.
a 2nd and expirings that's a little harsh LOL He's worth more than that even if you hate his defense.
D-Loser wrote:I agree with you both here. I'd be good with dlo coming back for something like 4/70, but honestly he's just not as important as the other 4. How much do we really lose right now when Nowell has to cover his minutes? I'd argue very little. Don't get me wrong, he's having a good year and we would miss his play making a bit, but he's the easiest to replace, especially at his expected cost.
Alright, I'll bite. What makes you think the bolded text is anywhere close to being true? I'm willing to hear the argument if you'll provide it. Respectfully.
I just don't understand how we're this far into the season and still have fans undervaluing the impact D-Lo has as a scorer, facilitator, and defender (yes) in Minnesota's backcourt. The team is vastly different with and without him.
I don't understand your issue with my statement. He's a solid starter on a decent team. That's what a solid starter on a decent team makes. The future of this team is kat and ant. We have to spend wisely after those two max guys. Again, he's had a good year, but he's not a star, like you seem to believe. Two things... often times when he's out I find myself thinking I'd be good if he just didn't come back... also, I always laugh when the announcers say he's such a clutch player... maybe if he was a little better regular player he wouldn't have to be so clutch. Yep, I think he's a replacement level starter... aka a league average starter. He's going to delusionally ask for 30M/year. let's see if we're dumb enough to give it to him
I don't have an issue with what you feel like D'Angelo Russell's next contract should be -- even though I disagree and think he's worth more and will get more than your projection.
You casually, and perhaps rhetorically, suggested that the team doesn't really miss Russell when someone else covers his minutes. Literally every meaningful and measurable statistic says otherwise so I was hoping you'd expound upon that for me. I'm actually still willing to hear the argument if you'll present it to me. Perhaps you're right and I'm wrong, but I'd like to hear more so that I may learn something from this.
Not to mention dlo chucking 16 shots per game at 41% (data for you clowns) is actually taking shots away from kat and dlo, who are way more efficient.
Important note... this season is the best dlo will ever look for the rest of his career. This roster was built to cover his weaknesses. Surrounding him with two great defenders at forward, a center who can stretch the floor and a wing that can drive like ant
D-Loser wrote:I agree with you both here. I'd be good with dlo coming back for something like 4/70, but honestly he's just not as important as the other 4. How much do we really lose right now when Nowell has to cover his minutes? I'd argue very little. Don't get me wrong, he's having a good year and we would miss his play making a bit, but he's the easiest to replace, especially at his expected cost.
Alright, I'll bite. What makes you think the bolded text is anywhere close to being true? I'm willing to hear the argument if you'll provide it. Respectfully.
I just don't understand how we're this far into the season and still have fans undervaluing the impact D-Lo has as a scorer, facilitator, and defender (yes) in Minnesota's backcourt. The team is vastly different with and without him.
I don't understand your issue with my statement. He's a solid starter on a decent team. That's what a solid starter on a decent team makes. The future of this team is kat and ant. We have to spend wisely after those two max guys. Again, he's had a good year, but he's not a star, like you seem to believe. Two things... often times when he's out I find myself thinking I'd be good if he just didn't come back... also, I always laugh when the announcers say he's such a clutch player... maybe if he was a little better regular player he wouldn't have to be so clutch. Yep, I think he's a replacement level starter... aka a league average starter. He's going to delusionally ask for 30M/year. let's see if we're dumb enough to give it to him
I don't have an issue with what you feel like D'Angelo Russell's next contract should be -- even though I disagree and think he's worth more and will get more than your projection.
You casually, and perhaps rhetorically, suggested that the team doesn't really miss Russell when someone else covers his minutes. Literally every meaningful and measurable statistic says otherwise so I was hoping you'd expound upon that for me. I'm actually still willing to hear the argument if you'll present it to me. Perhaps you're right and I'm wrong, but I'd like to hear more so that I may learn something from this.
Well nowells shooting percentage is actually way better this season than dlo and he plays better defense. And he makes way less than dlo. Nowell and jmac should honestly be getting more of dlos minutes. dlo is also out way too much. Look at the other guys on this team who play through injuries... not dlo. So there's really no 'perhaps' about it... you're wrong. If we could offload dlo for a 2nd and expirings, I guarantee I could put his 30 mil to much better use this off-season.
a 2nd and expirings that's a little harsh LOL He's worth more than that even if you hate his defense.
Is this board a 4th grade class project this week? Show me the team that's giving up a first for dlo on that contract! Wow
D-Loser wrote:I agree with you both here. I'd be good with dlo coming back for something like 4/70, but honestly he's just not as important as the other 4. How much do we really lose right now when Nowell has to cover his minutes? I'd argue very little. Don't get me wrong, he's having a good year and we would miss his play making a bit, but he's the easiest to replace, especially at his expected cost.
Alright, I'll bite. What makes you think the bolded text is anywhere close to being true? I'm willing to hear the argument if you'll provide it. Respectfully.
I just don't understand how we're this far into the season and still have fans undervaluing the impact D-Lo has as a scorer, facilitator, and defender (yes) in Minnesota's backcourt. The team is vastly different with and without him.
I don't understand your issue with my statement. He's a solid starter on a decent team. That's what a solid starter on a decent team makes. The future of this team is kat and ant. We have to spend wisely after those two max guys. Again, he's had a good year, but he's not a star, like you seem to believe. Two things... often times when he's out I find myself thinking I'd be good if he just didn't come back... also, I always laugh when the announcers say he's such a clutch player... maybe if he was a little better regular player he wouldn't have to be so clutch. Yep, I think he's a replacement level starter... aka a league average starter. Yep, I think he's a replacement level starter... aka a league average starter. He's going to delusionally ask for 30M/year. let's see if we're dumb enough to give it to him
You offer no data here to back up your claims. What is your evidence of him being a replacement level starter? How does the team actually do when he is not in the lineup versus how you think and feel like? These are things you can go lookup hard data on.
I gotta give you credit. You are right on brand here!
I'll double down on this with Q. Where's your Data at? I been on the trading Naz train but I have no data to back it up. It's all eye test for me because I don't really understand the stats and I'm trying to learn more about them. But if someone on here gave me a bunch of data on why Naz is good fit for this team I would probably change my mind.
Countless times people have given stats on how DLO is a new player and is playing to his potential now. The team is in its best position in 15-20 years.
Also it's Pretty hard to take you seriously when you appeared out of nowhere and you made your ID on here D-Loser.
I've been reading this board regularly since it was on espn, so I guess I didn't show up out of nowhere. Also... don't care about data... I get more than enough data at work. I watch every game and trust the eye test. If you're a data guy, I'm happy for you. He's an average starter (meaning he's our 3rd best starter) on an average team (us exactly)... what's the issue?
Well as I told the umpire who tossed me out when I was 17 for squeezing the strike zone on me all game long.
Make sure you put my name on referral when you go get LASIK so I can get the free $100 bucks.
Stick to baseball chump. I think you're mad because I called you one of the two worst posters on this forum (again, I've been reading it along time!)
I see just fine. I actually like dlo, but I like him at 4/70 on his next contract.
You did lol I never knew but thanks for giving me the honor. I would agree my grammar is atrocious and I have to edit all the time and it's still bad. I even beat the guy who came out around here trying to sell us rings and shit.
You know what funny is when I was third grade I had to go to eye doctor. Little Jester was positive his eyesight was great but then the moved the picture far away. I knew it was big fucking E but I couldn't see it.
Just like DLO you know he's great for this team but your irrational hate for him makes it so you can't see it because it puts you so far away.
Man I love good dumb analogy lol
My point is if so easy to replace him then why are they 5-9 when he doesn't play this year.
I got my LASIK done at Joffe Medicenter when I was 19. Best decision of my life. Maybe you can go there I know a guy.
I also agree I hope they trade Jake Layman so I don't have to hear about that freakin baby blue eyes ever again :)
Thought I had a stroke for a second there... so you're saying you're older than 19?? I just assumed you were 11 :). You're pretty funny, I'll give you that dude. Again, for the 80th time, I don't hate dlo and he is a good fit on this team. He's grown a lot, but let's not overpay him by because we're wearing our homer glasses. We've beat a lot of bad teams this year and we've been relatively healthy. We're not good and we haven't accomplished jack yet. Maybe I'll go 4/80 at the end of year if he doesn't revert back to last years dlo who legitimately looked like the worst starter in the league at teams. I don't even know what you guys are arguing with me about lol
