Q12543 wrote:It seems to me our worst fears with Edwards have not come true, but perhaps our 2nd worst fears have in the sense that statistically he is playing almost exactly as he did at Georgia - high usage, low efficiency, horrible On/Off and defensive metrics.
I know for a lot of folks Edwards is still in the honeymoon phase, so we tend to overvalue the good things we see and pass off the bad things we see as "well, he's still young". That's fine. But not everyone improves or changes their stripes. I'd still like to see us package him up in trade if we can, but obviously Rosas may believe that Edwards + whatever else is asked for (including additional future picks) is too high of a price to pay.
It is Wiggins all over again. All the physical talent one could ask for, just a lack between the ears.
Q12543 wrote:It seems to me our worst fears with Edwards have not come true, but perhaps our 2nd worst fears have in the sense that statistically he is playing almost exactly as he did at Georgia - high usage, low efficiency, horrible On/Off and defensive metrics.
I know for a lot of folks Edwards is still in the honeymoon phase, so we tend to overvalue the good things we see and pass off the bad things we see as "well, he's still young". That's fine. But not everyone improves or changes their stripes. I'd still like to see us package him up in trade if we can, but obviously Rosas may believe that Edwards + whatever else is asked for (including additional future picks) is too high of a price to pay.
It is Wiggins all over again. All the physical talent one could ask for, just a lack between the ears.
Maybe. Maybe not. But he does seem like a certain TYPE of player. He's a scorer. If he pans out, that surely looks like where he'll offer the most value. That's not inherently a bad thing. But I guess that's why I didn't understand the pick.
The Wolves have the league's most efficient shooting big man. GIVE HIM THE BALL!
They have a shoot-first PG for the next (x) years.
And they signed a shoot-first, shoot-second SG to a multi-year deal.
Q12543 wrote:It seems to me our worst fears with Edwards have not come true, but perhaps our 2nd worst fears have in the sense that statistically he is playing almost exactly as he did at Georgia - high usage, low efficiency, horrible On/Off and defensive metrics.
I know for a lot of folks Edwards is still in the honeymoon phase, so we tend to overvalue the good things we see and pass off the bad things we see as "well, he's still young". That's fine. But not everyone improves or changes their stripes. I'd still like to see us package him up in trade if we can, but obviously Rosas may believe that Edwards + whatever else is asked for (including additional future picks) is too high of a price to pay.
It is Wiggins all over again. All the physical talent one could ask for, just a lack between the ears.
Maybe. Maybe not. But he does seem like a certain TYPE of player. He's a scorer. If he pans out, that surely looks like where he'll offer the most value. That's not inherently a bad thing. But I guess that's why I didn't understand the pick.
The Wolves have the league's most efficient shooting big man. GIVE HIM THE BALL!
They have a shoot-first PG for the next (x) years.
And they signed a shoot-first, shoot-second SG to a multi-year deal.
Did they really need a high-volume scorer?
They did not. There was no reason for another project guard.
There is no reason KAT should not be putting up 20+ shots every night. Even if they are questionable.
Q12543 wrote:It seems to me our worst fears with Edwards have not come true, but perhaps our 2nd worst fears have in the sense that statistically he is playing almost exactly as he did at Georgia - high usage, low efficiency, horrible On/Off and defensive metrics.
I know for a lot of folks Edwards is still in the honeymoon phase, so we tend to overvalue the good things we see and pass off the bad things we see as "well, he's still young". That's fine. But not everyone improves or changes their stripes. I'd still like to see us package him up in trade if we can, but obviously Rosas may believe that Edwards + whatever else is asked for (including additional future picks) is too high of a price to pay.
It is Wiggins all over again. All the physical talent one could ask for, just a lack between the ears.
Maybe. Maybe not. But he does seem like a certain TYPE of player. He's a scorer. If he pans out, that surely looks like where he'll offer the most value. That's not inherently a bad thing. But I guess that's why I didn't understand the pick.
The Wolves have the league's most efficient shooting big man. GIVE HIM THE BALL!
They have a shoot-first PG for the next (x) years.
And they signed a shoot-first, shoot-second SG to a multi-year deal.
Did they really need a high-volume scorer?
They did not. There was no reason for another project guard.
There is no reason KAT should not be putting up 20+ shots every night. Even if they are questionable.
Saunders and Rosas should be fired today.
10 game sample size on Edwards, I would relax a little bit on saying the Edwards pick was the wrong one. If there was a redraft today he is a top 5 rookie and I'm still picking him #1
Q12543 wrote:It seems to me our worst fears with Edwards have not come true, but perhaps our 2nd worst fears have in the sense that statistically he is playing almost exactly as he did at Georgia - high usage, low efficiency, horrible On/Off and defensive metrics.
I know for a lot of folks Edwards is still in the honeymoon phase, so we tend to overvalue the good things we see and pass off the bad things we see as "well, he's still young". That's fine. But not everyone improves or changes their stripes. I'd still like to see us package him up in trade if we can, but obviously Rosas may believe that Edwards + whatever else is asked for (including additional future picks) is too high of a price to pay.
It is Wiggins all over again. All the physical talent one could ask for, just a lack between the ears.
Maybe. Maybe not. But he does seem like a certain TYPE of player. He's a scorer. If he pans out, that surely looks like where he'll offer the most value. That's not inherently a bad thing. But I guess that's why I didn't understand the pick.
The Wolves have the league's most efficient shooting big man. GIVE HIM THE BALL!
They have a shoot-first PG for the next (x) years.
And they signed a shoot-first, shoot-second SG to a multi-year deal.
Did they really need a high-volume scorer?
They did not. There was no reason for another project guard.
There is no reason KAT should not be putting up 20+ shots every night. Even if they are questionable.
Saunders and Rosas should be fired today.
10 game sample size on Edwards, I would relax a little bit on saying the Edwards pick was the wrong one. If there was a redraft today he is a top 5 rookie and I'm still picking him #1
Agreed. Small sample size. No reason to assume he's a bust.
He's basically who he was supposed to be -- and that's potentially a very good player.
It's simply anybody's guess whether he reaches that level. Right now, he's not close. So I can see people frustrated if they think it's the wrong choice because it seems to counteract the Wolves desire to compete now. I'm sure things will change, but so far, Edwards has been a negative on the court.
Q12543 wrote:It seems to me our worst fears with Edwards have not come true, but perhaps our 2nd worst fears have in the sense that statistically he is playing almost exactly as he did at Georgia - high usage, low efficiency, horrible On/Off and defensive metrics.
I know for a lot of folks Edwards is still in the honeymoon phase, so we tend to overvalue the good things we see and pass off the bad things we see as "well, he's still young". That's fine. But not everyone improves or changes their stripes. I'd still like to see us package him up in trade if we can, but obviously Rosas may believe that Edwards + whatever else is asked for (including additional future picks) is too high of a price to pay.
It is Wiggins all over again. All the physical talent one could ask for, just a lack between the ears.
Maybe. Maybe not. But he does seem like a certain TYPE of player. He's a scorer. If he pans out, that surely looks like where he'll offer the most value. That's not inherently a bad thing. But I guess that's why I didn't understand the pick.
The Wolves have the league's most efficient shooting big man. GIVE HIM THE BALL!
They have a shoot-first PG for the next (x) years.
And they signed a shoot-first, shoot-second SG to a multi-year deal.
Did they really need a high-volume scorer?
They did not. There was no reason for another project guard.
There is no reason KAT should not be putting up 20+ shots every night. Even if they are questionable.
Saunders and Rosas should be fired today.
10 game sample size on Edwards, I would relax a little bit on saying the Edwards pick was the wrong one. If there was a redraft today he is a top 5 rookie and I'm still picking him #1
Agreed. Small sample size. No reason to assume he's a bust.
He's basically who he was supposed to be -- and that's potentially a very good player.
It's simply anybody's guess whether he reaches that level. Right now, he's not close. So I can see people frustrated if they think it's the wrong choice because it seems to counteract the Wolves desire to compete now. I'm sure things will change, but so far, Edwards has been a negative on the court.
I agree he's not contributing to winning basketball now but who would you say really is. Payton Pritchard who isn't a realistic #1 pick. Ball who has been great but the board hated him and I'm still but sold on his jumper and then Haliburton has looks good but at the moment that team is a mess.
Who knows if Edwards hits his ceiling i just see what he could be and that is exciting will he hit it I hope so. (The great Timberwolves hope haha)
Q12543 wrote:It seems to me our worst fears with Edwards have not come true, but perhaps our 2nd worst fears have in the sense that statistically he is playing almost exactly as he did at Georgia - high usage, low efficiency, horrible On/Off and defensive metrics.
I know for a lot of folks Edwards is still in the honeymoon phase, so we tend to overvalue the good things we see and pass off the bad things we see as "well, he's still young". That's fine. But not everyone improves or changes their stripes. I'd still like to see us package him up in trade if we can, but obviously Rosas may believe that Edwards + whatever else is asked for (including additional future picks) is too high of a price to pay.
It is Wiggins all over again. All the physical talent one could ask for, just a lack between the ears.
Maybe. Maybe not. But he does seem like a certain TYPE of player. He's a scorer. If he pans out, that surely looks like where he'll offer the most value. That's not inherently a bad thing. But I guess that's why I didn't understand the pick.
The Wolves have the league's most efficient shooting big man. GIVE HIM THE BALL!
They have a shoot-first PG for the next (x) years.
And they signed a shoot-first, shoot-second SG to a multi-year deal.
Did they really need a high-volume scorer?
They did not. There was no reason for another project guard.
There is no reason KAT should not be putting up 20+ shots every night. Even if they are questionable.
Saunders and Rosas should be fired today.
10 game sample size on Edwards, I would relax a little bit on saying the Edwards pick was the wrong one. If there was a redraft today he is a top 5 rookie and I'm still picking him #1
Agreed. Small sample size. No reason to assume he's a bust.
He's basically who he was supposed to be -- and that's potentially a very good player.
It's simply anybody's guess whether he reaches that level. Right now, he's not close. So I can see people frustrated if they think it's the wrong choice because it seems to counteract the Wolves desire to compete now. I'm sure things will change, but so far, Edwards has been a negative on the court.
I agree he's not contributing to winning basketball now but who would you say really is. Payton Pritchard who isn't a realistic #1 pick. Ball who has been great but the board hated him and I'm still but sold on his jumper and then Haliburton has looks good but at the moment that team is a mess.
Who knows if Edwards hits his ceiling i just see what he could be and that is exciting will he hit it I hope so. (The great Timberwolves hope haha)
And that's fine. Maybe Edwards will be the best. Personally, I doubt it. But it's definitely possible. He's shown flashes.
As for other rookies getting consistent run... probably only Killian Hayes (now out for the season) has done more "harm" to their team. A lot guys have struggled -- only they haven't been given as large of a role as Edwards which maximizes his negative impact.
Abe's data is interesting to me, because it pretty much matches what my eyes tell me...except for I agree with Future that Haliburton has been more impressive on the defensive end than Ball. Based on what I have seen to date and underlying stats, I rank the 4 players like this:
Haliburton
Ball
Edwards
Wiseman
In terms of how I think their careers will go, although it's WAY too early to predict, I would rank like this:
Edwards
Ball
Haliburton
Wiseman
I think all four are destined for good careers though in what was considered a weak draft.
Since this will be a year-long talker, let me remind everyone that we already have a thread dedicated to ROY discussion...best to leave all comments there to see how our opinions move during the season.
FNG wrote:Abe's data is interesting to me, because it pretty much matches what my eyes tell me...except for I agree with Future that Haliburton has been more impressive on the defensive end than Ball. Based on what I have seen to date and underlying stats, I rank the 4 players like this:
Haliburton
Ball
Edwards
Wiseman
In terms of how I think their careers will go, although it's WAY too early to predict, I would rank like this:
Edwards
Ball
Haliburton
Wiseman
I think all four are destined for good careers though in what was considered a weak draft.
Since this will be a year-long talker, let me remind everyone that we already have a thread dedicated to ROY discussion...best to leave all comments there to see how our opinions move during the season.
Oh. Look. The new guy making demands.
[Note: Reasonable, common sense suggestions. But whatever.]
FNG wrote:Abe's data is interesting to me, because it pretty much matches what my eyes tell me...except for I agree with Future that Haliburton has been more impressive on the defensive end than Ball. Based on what I have seen to date and underlying stats, I rank the 4 players like this:
Haliburton
Ball
Edwards
Wiseman
In terms of how I think their careers will go, although it's WAY too early to predict, I would rank like this:
Edwards
Ball
Haliburton
Wiseman
I think all four are destined for good careers though in what was considered a weak draft.
Since this will be a year-long talker, let me remind everyone that we already have a thread dedicated to ROY discussion...best to leave all comments there to see how our opinions move during the season.
Oh. Look. The new guy making demands.
Whoops, presumptuous of me while still on my rookie contract. Let me try again.
If it's not too much for me to ask, and I really don't want to inconvenience anyone, but it might be better if we at least considered...or maybe we could talk about it at a later time...at everyone else's convenience of course...but maybe we could consider maybe putting all ROY comments in the ROY thread...or not.
