Who should Wolves draft at 19?

[KG4Ever]

Today I watched Tennessee vs Kentucky and Tennessee vs Arizona.

It. Seems like TyTy Washington probably won't fall to the Wolves but I wish he would. He has solid PG/combo guard height and he has the skills to play both guard positions.

Chandler is a nice player and I wouldn't mind if he is the pick but he isn't thrilling. His FT shooting really is inconsistent. He does good things out there and there is potential but he didn't really stand out that much except his shooting in the first game which kept the Vols from losing by 40.

On Arizona Koloko wasn't very impressive. It was probably a bad game from him but he got outplayed by a mile by some dude that's a 7 year senior or whatever that averages 8 points a game. He is tall yay.

I saw some of what makes Lip excited about Dalen Terry. I was actually really impressed with his defense. He might be a little undisciplined at times but he moved really well and I wasn't sure from clips I saw before if that would be the case. His passing is impressive too he makes good plays and the passes were quick and on target. The problem I have is i really don't know what kid of scoring upside he has. He isn't wildly quick with the ball and his shot is a question mark. Basically I'm looking at him as maybe a longer version of Frank'N. To some extent we have a player similar to him on the roster right now in Bolmaro. I'm not saying don't draft him because we have Bolmaro but with questions about his ability to score and maybe break down the defense to playmake for others...I'm not dying to pick him. If he was a freshman I'd probably feel a little differently. I'm not against taking him at #19 but I'm not like that's the guy.

At this point there are some nice players but unless someone drops I don't have a guy that I'm like yes we should grab him because he is some dude with high upside. I may be convinced otherwise AND this is also pick #19. Sure it sucks to pass up on a HR guy but I'd be happy with a solid starter type also. The guy I still like is Wendell Moore Jr (I did actually vote for him) but I know he isn't maybe gonna go that high but I think this draft is gonna be one where women team ranks a guy maybe 10 or more spots higher than another team. I say a team that gets Trevor Keels even early in the 2nd is doing well for themselves. I think there is a pretty good floor for him and the upside is plenty decent.

I haven't seen any Ty Ty videos yet and didn't see him play in any games. I'm not overly impressed by what I've reach, but I'll have to check out some videos and video reviews of him. Who do you think will pick him before the Wolves are on the clock at #19?

Good observations on Dalen Terry. He's actually terrific on dribble penetration. He's an excellent ball-handler with a blend of quickness, moves and coordination that made him an excellent finisher. But he has no mid-range game and his 3-point shooting, while mechanically sound, hasn't been tested since he's taken so few. I think he has the entire package except mid-range shooting (and perhaps 3-point shooting), but those are the things that can improve a lot after getting to the NBA. By all accounts Terry is a gym rat with a huge passion for the game. That tells me he'll likely improve his shooting a lot while also improving in other areas. The key is that he starts his NBA career with a unique combination that can't be taught or acquired going forward - a 6'10" over head reach paired with PG ball-handling and passing skills together with a high basketball IQ and terrific work ethic. That makes him a high-reward player. But he's not a high-risk prospect either because of his length and defensive ability. He can slot in as a good rotation role player - a role he's actually used to from his time at Arizona.

There are reasons to take Jalen Williams, Wendell Moore or EJ Liddell ahead of Terry. Actually, if your making an totally objective decision based on stats, the three other three would undoubtedly get the nod over Terry. I'm looking beyond the college numbers and making a move subjective judgment in preferring Terry. So I still lean towards Terry even though I consider Williams a close second on my list of those who might be available at 19. If Tari Eason fell to 19, I'd consider him as well. I could easily wake up tomorrow morning and decide I'd rather see the Wolves draft Williams. His offensive game is the best and most developed of the guys I like at 19.

I'm not a big fan of Chandler. It's so rough to be a really good PG in the NBA at his size. If you watch a bunch of Dalen Terry video, you'll see Terry using his length and lateral quickness to dominate Chandler defensively, That's the sort of length and lateral quickness Chandler will face regularly in the NBA and I don't see him having that extra special athleticism or genius-level basketball IQ to be more than a role player off the bench in the NBA. But admittedly, I haven't see much of Chandler.

Lip, that was probably Chandler's worst shooting game of the year and I did see Terry stuff Chandler. Chandler is playing with no other NBA caliber players and Arizona has Terry, Koloko and Mathurin, and despite the poor shooting in that game by Chandler, Tennessee won. Chandler can contribute in other ways even when he's not scoring well with good passing and good defense. Chandler played three games against Kentucky and Tennessee won two of them. I was actually intending to watch video of TyTy and this speedy guard from Tennessee intrigued me enough to start checking him out and I'll say I rate them both about equally, with Chandler having a bit higher ceiling, but TyTy having a higher floor. Both are more passers than scorers and I think could fit in well with the Wolves and I'd be fine going in a different direction with 19 (Eason, Williams etc) if the Wolves grab Nembhard in the second round who is also a pass first point guard that impressed me.

[Monster]

Today I watched Tennessee vs Kentucky and Tennessee vs Arizona.

It. Seems like TyTy Washington probably won't fall to the Wolves but I wish he would. He has solid PG/combo guard height and he has the skills to play both guard positions.

Chandler is a nice player and I wouldn't mind if he is the pick but he isn't thrilling. His FT shooting really is inconsistent. He does good things out there and there is potential but he didn't really stand out that much except his shooting in the first game which kept the Vols from losing by 40.

On Arizona Koloko wasn't very impressive. It was probably a bad game from him but he got outplayed by a mile by some dude that's a 7 year senior or whatever that averages 8 points a game. He is tall yay.

I saw some of what makes Lip excited about Dalen Terry. I was actually really impressed with his defense. He might be a little undisciplined at times but he moved really well and I wasn't sure from clips I saw before if that would be the case. His passing is impressive too he makes good plays and the passes were quick and on target. The problem I have is i really don't know what kid of scoring upside he has. He isn't wildly quick with the ball and his shot is a question mark. Basically I'm looking at him as maybe a longer version of Frank'N. To some extent we have a player similar to him on the roster right now in Bolmaro. I'm not saying don't draft him because we have Bolmaro but with questions about his ability to score and maybe break down the defense to playmake for others...I'm not dying to pick him. If he was a freshman I'd probably feel a little differently. I'm not against taking him at #19 but I'm not like that's the guy.

At this point there are some nice players but unless someone drops I don't have a guy that I'm like yes we should grab him because he is some dude with high upside. I may be convinced otherwise AND this is also pick #19. Sure it sucks to pass up on a HR guy but I'd be happy with a solid starter type also. The guy I still like is Wendell Moore Jr (I did actually vote for him) but I know he isn't maybe gonna go that high but I think this draft is gonna be one where women team ranks a guy maybe 10 or more spots higher than another team. I say a team that gets Trevor Keels even early in the 2nd is doing well for themselves. I think there is a pretty good floor for him and the upside is plenty decent.

I haven't seen any Ty Ty videos yet and didn't see him play in any games. I'm not overly impressed by what I've reach, but I'll have to check out some videos and video reviews of him. Who do you think will pick him before the Wolves are on the clock at #19?

Good observations on Dalen Terry. He's actually terrific on dribble penetration. He's an excellent ball-handler with a blend of quickness, moves and coordination that made him an excellent finisher. But he has no mid-range game and his 3-point shooting, while mechanically sound, hasn't been tested since he's taken so few. I think he has the entire package except mid-range shooting (and perhaps 3-point shooting), but those are the things that can improve a lot after getting to the NBA. By all accounts Terry is a gym rat with a huge passion for the game. That tells me he'll likely improve his shooting a lot while also improving in other areas. The key is that he starts his NBA career with a unique combination that can't be taught or acquired going forward - a 6'10" over head reach paired with PG ball-handling and passing skills together with a high basketball IQ and terrific work ethic. That makes him a high-reward player. But he's not a high-risk prospect either because of his length and defensive ability. He can slot in as a good rotation role player - a role he's actually used to from his time at Arizona.

There are reasons to take Jalen Williams, Wendell Moore or EJ Liddell ahead of Terry. Actually, if your making an totally objective decision based on stats, the three other three would undoubtedly get the nod over Terry. I'm looking beyond the college numbers and making a move subjective judgment in preferring Terry. So I still lean towards Terry even though I consider Williams a close second on my list of those who might be available at 19. If Tari Eason fell to 19, I'd consider him as well. I could easily wake up tomorrow morning and decide I'd rather see the Wolves draft Williams. His offensive game is the best and most developed of the guys I like at 19.

I'm not a big fan of Chandler. It's so rough to be a really good PG in the NBA at his size. If you watch a bunch of Dalen Terry video, you'll see Terry using his length and lateral quickness to dominate Chandler defensively, That's the sort of length and lateral quickness Chandler will face regularly in the NBA and I don't see him having that extra special athleticism or genius-level basketball IQ to be more than a role player off the bench in the NBA. But admittedly, I haven't see much of Chandler.

Lip, that was probably Chandler's worst shooting game of the year and I did see Terry stuff Chandler. Chandler is playing with no other NBA caliber players and Arizona has Terry, Koloko and Mathurin, and despite the poor shooting in that game by Chandler, Tennessee won. Chandler can contribute in other ways even when he's not scoring well with good passing and good defense. Chandler played three games against Kentucky and Tennessee won two of them. I was actually intending to watch video of TyTy and this speedy guard from Tennessee intrigued me enough to start checking him out and I'll say I rate them both about equally, with Chandler having a bit higher ceiling, but TyTy having a higher floor. Both are more passers than scorers and I think could fit in well with the Wolves and I'd be fine going in a different direction with 19 (Eason, Williams etc) if the Wolves grab Nembhard in the second round who is also a pass first point guard that impressed me.

I watched a bit of Jalen Williams and he seemed to lack athletic ability in the few minutes of highlights I watched. I'd rather have Moore.

We are gonna have to agree to disagree on Terry's ability to drive the ball. Maybe it's not a weakness but I don't think it's a strength especially since he is going to have to do it against better players at the next level.

TyTy Washington simply is a bigger player than Chandler. He didn't shot the 3 as well for the season but he seems like a guy that can do a lot well and can also defend. There is a world in which he could maybe even play SG. That's not an option for Chandler. Knicks and Houston seem like reasonable landing spots for him and there are other teams between the Knicks and Wolves that may decide he is the best player available. There are a lot of teams that would like a do it all combo guard with some legit upside. One thing that I noticed about Chandler was they subbed him out quickly and then had him come in and so they always had a PG playing. He also tended to play a lot with 2 other guard that handled the ball quite a bit so he wasn't just running the show. He had a couple times in the Kentucky game he was obviously not pleased with teammates. Once was a play where he shaded a guy to the baseline and there was absolutely no help. It made me wonder about his leadership both in a good and bad way. You want a PG to be vocal. Dude is a freshman so I'm not expecting him to be perfect. My question about him is how much will he improve. I'm not sure why people really like him a lot. I like him just not a lot. I'm open to hearing more about some more specific attributes or more information people have found.

[Lipoli390]

Monster - I agree that Jalen doesn't look super athletic on the court. But he had an excellent vertical in the combine - a 33.5" no-step and a 39" max. His 33.5" no-step is particularly impressive and, in my view, the more important of the two. Jalen didn't have a very impressive agility time (11.13), but it wasn't terrible. He had very good times in the shuttle run and 3/4 court sprint - 3.17 and 3.11 respectively.

I like both Jalen Williams and Wendell Moore. Comparing the two, their numbers are pretty close. Jalen's combine numbers indicate that he's more athletic. Jalen's combine athletic test numbers, except the agility test, were better than Moore's. Physically, Moore seems a bit stronger, but Jalen is significantly longer. I think Moore is the better 3-point shooter and better rebounder between the two, but I think Williams is the better passer (although both are good passers) and craftier with the ball. Where Moore has the edge in my eyes in on the defensive end. I think he's a significantly better defender than Williams right now.

After watching to two, I think Williams has a better chance than Moore of becoming an impact player while Moore is more likely to remain a role player off the bench. You just don't find many players with the length of Williams who also have his ball skills. He's a phenomenal passer. Watch him and you'll see he's essentially ambidextrous - passing, dribbling and scoring about equally with both hands. But I know what you're saying about how he looks on the court. A friend of mind has an astute observation - referring to Jalen Williams as a longer version of DLO. The point is that Jalen doesn't beat anyone with quickness or explosiveness, but instead with craftiness and IQ.

We'll agree to disagree on Dalen's ability to drive and finish. But I realize I'm out there a bit with my take on him. I just have a gut feeling after watching him that he's going to be really good.

[Monster]

Monster - I agree that Jalen doesn't look super athletic on the court. But he had an excellent vertical in the combine - a 33.5" no-step and a 39" max. His 33.5" no-step is particularly impressive and, in my view, the more important of the two. Jalen didn't have a very impressive agility time (11.13), but it wasn't terrible. He had very good times in the shuttle run and 3/4 court sprint - 3.17 and 3.11 respectively.

I like both Jalen Williams and Wendell Moore. Comparing the two, their numbers are pretty close. Jalen's combine numbers indicate that he's more athletic. Jalen's combine athletic test numbers, except the agility test, were better than Moore's. Physically, Moore seems a bit stronger, but Jalen is significantly longer. I think Moore is the better 3-point shooter and better rebounder between the two, but I think Williams is the better passer (although both are good passers) and craftier with the ball. Where Moore has the edge in my eyes in on the defensive end. I think he's a significantly better defender than Williams right now.

After watching to two, I think Williams has a better chance than Moore of becoming an impact player while Moore is more likely to remain a role player off the bench. You just don't find many players with the length of Williams who also have his ball skills. He's a phenomenal passer. Watch him and you'll see he's essentially ambidextrous - passing, dribbling and scoring about equally with both hands. But I know what you're saying about how he looks on the court. A friend of mind has an astute observation - referring to Jalen Williams as a longer version of DLO. The point is that Jalen doesn't beat anyone with quickness or explosiveness, but instead with craftiness and IQ.

We'll agree to disagree on Dalen's ability to drive and finish. But I realize I'm out there a bit with my take on him. I just have a gut feeling after watching him that he's going to be really good.

I'd rather trust what I actually watch when I talk about athletic ability. I may go back and watch some more on Williams and he might be crafty but what I saw was a guy that didn't move particularly well laterally. Moore was literally the PG a significant amount of minutes for Duke this season. Is he a pure PG? No. To me he has the ability physically to guard 1-3 and has the strength to hold up against bigger guys if he gets switched onto them. I think he will be able to play those positions offensively too depending on the situation although he will likely be too small to be a full time SF. Both guys came of age their Junior seasons. Which guy are you getting the one that was a really good player last year or a role player or something on a college team? I'll also add that while good players can come out of lesser conferences it's fair to consider that when comparing these 2 guys.

Edit: Just to be clear this post is to clarify my position on Williams and Moore and what I saw. I enjoy the back and forth on some of these guys its why I come to this board.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Lip, this might be a difficult question to answer, but what would you say Dalen Terry's comparison at the NBA level is? Or rather, what's maybe his best-case comparison? I'm trying to figure out how high his upside might be and giving him another thorough look.

[Lipoli390]

Lip, this might be a difficult question to answer, but what would you say Dalen Terry's comparison at the NBA level is? Or rather, what's maybe his best-case comparison? I'm trying to figure out how high his upside might be and giving him another thorough look.

I love the question, Cam. I've actually been asking myself that question for the past week and struggling to come up with an answer. I saw one review, which I've posted below, comparing him to Delon Wright. I've also posted a few other reviews that you might find interesting if you haven't seen them already. I love his upside, but I also like his floor. In that sense, you can view him as the guy who does a bit of everything well and does it with energy and smarts. I see him at least becoming a reliable rotation guy off the bench who defends, facilitates, cuts and slashes. But I also see huge upside if he can develop his perimeter shot. Everything you read and hear about him highlights his joy and passion for the game as well as his high IQ. Those are the characteristics that drive success in the NBA if a player already has the basic tools. There's no doubt in my mind that Terry has an impressive combo of basic tools with his PF length and PG ball-skills.

Nevertheless, it's hard to find any NBA comparisons on line. The difficulty coming up with a good NBA comparison is certainly a reason for some doubt about Terry. I hope you take a closer look at him. I'd be interested in you in-depth take and any comparisons you can come up with.

https://247sports.com/college/football/recruiting/Video/NBA-Draft-Player-Comparison-Dalen-Terry-11124366/

https://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcats/basketball/mr-do-everything-dalen-terry-to-enter-nba-draft-will-have-option-to-return-to/article_9003e33c-c255-11ec-9705-fb4da1850320.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4wp6iXcnSQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMhHwusQRlk

https://www.denverstiffs.com/2022/6/14/23166608/nba-draft-player-profile-2022-dalen-terry-scouting-report

[Lipoli390]

CBS Sports just issued its latest mock draft about an hour ago. They now have Dalen Terry drafted at #17 and Jalen Duren drafted by the Bulls at #18. They they have the Wolves taking Jalen Williams at 19. I'll be surprised if Duren slides all the way to 18. If he does, the Wolves should seriously consider trading up one slot to get him. Because I don't see the Bulls being super interested in Duren, I wouldn't think the Wolves would need to give up more than their #50 pick to move up one slot for Duren. On the other hand, I'd be happy with Jalen Williams at 19.

[KG4Ever]

CBS Sports just issued its latest mock draft about an hour ago. They now have Dalen Terry drafted at #17 and Jalen Duren drafted by the Bulls at #18. They they have the Wolves taking Jalen Williams at 19. I'll be surprised if Duren slides all the way to 18. If he does, the Wolves should seriously consider trading up one slot to get him. Because I don't see the Bulls being super interested in Duren, I wouldn't think the Wolves would need to give up more than their #50 pick to move up one slot for Duren. On the other hand, I'd be happy with Jalen Williams at 19.

I see CBS site as listing three mocks (Link: https://www.cbssports.com/nba/draft/mock-draft/) and you must be going off of Kyle Boone's mock which has the Wolves taking Jalen Wiliams just ahead of Duren. Interestingly, David Cobb, another draft analyst at CBS also updated his personal mock today and has one of your man crush's Dyson Daniels going 19. Gary Parrish has the Wolves taking TyTy at 19. I love all these picks for the Wolves, especially the Daniels one.

[Lipoli390]

CBS Sports just issued its latest mock draft about an hour ago. They now have Dalen Terry drafted at #17 and Jalen Duren drafted by the Bulls at #18. They they have the Wolves taking Jalen Williams at 19. I'll be surprised if Duren slides all the way to 18. If he does, the Wolves should seriously consider trading up one slot to get him. Because I don't see the Bulls being super interested in Duren, I wouldn't think the Wolves would need to give up more than their #50 pick to move up one slot for Duren. On the other hand, I'd be happy with Jalen Williams at 19.

I see CBS site as listing three mocks (Link: https://www.cbssports.com/nba/draft/mock-draft/) and you must be going off of Kyle Boone's mock which has the Wolves taking Jalen Wiliams just ahead of Duren. Interestingly, David Cobb, another draft analyst at CBS also updated his personal mock today and has one of your man crush's Dyson Daniels going 19. Gary Parrish has the Wolves taking TyTy at 19. I love all these picks for the Wolves, especially the Daniels one.

I have no idea who David Cobb is, but I hope he's seen every NBA team's confidential draft board. :). If Kyle Boone has access to those draft boards, I'm OK with that.

[KG4Ever]

Here is my updated workout list adding Hugo Besson and Michael Foster: With Besson being worked out, the Wolves are working out the following point guards: Chandler, Nembhard, Montero, Davison, Molinar and Besson. While it appears the Wolves are working out all the point guards projected to be drafted and likely to be available at 19, hopefully, they will be able to work out TyTy Washington, in case he slides to 19.

Workout List: Tari Eason, Jalen Williams, Kennedy Chandler, EJ Liddell, Nikola Jovic, Wendell Moore, Christian Koloko, Marjon Beauchamp, Jaden Hardy, Patrick Baldwin, Christian Braun, Andrew Nembhard, Justin Lewis, Ismael Kamagate, Jean Montero, Gabriele Procida, Julian Champagnie, David Roddy, Bryce McGowans, Max Christie, Keon Ellis, JD Davison, John Butler, Iverson Molinar, Johnny Juzang, Michael Foster, Hugon Besson, Dereon Seabron and a bunch of lesser known names.

Who I'd like to see added to list: TyTy Washington, Dalen Terry, Dom Barlow, Vince Williams, Tevin Brown