This Timberwolves draft steal could fill all of the team’s needs

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This Timberwolves draft steal could fill all of the team’s needs

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Do you guys think he is a good fit for the team? I think he fits perfectly with our squad providing backup ball handling and forward depth.

https://dunkingwithwolves.com/2022/06/12/heist-fill-timberwolves-draft-needs/This Timberwolves draft steal could fill all of the team's needs
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CalebHager_15 wrote:Do you guys think he is a good fit for the team? I think he fits perfectly with our squad providing backup ball handling and forward depth.

https://dunkingwithwolves.com/2022/06/12/heist-fill-timberwolves-draft-needs/This Timberwolves draft steal could fill all of the team's needs


I'll be interested to see what others think, but for me I wouldn't want him at all at 19.
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Jovic is not necessarily on my avoid at all costs list, but what is the long term plan for Jovic and McDaniels? If neither is able to play the 4 long term, it's a wasted pick.


I think we should have 4 tiers of prospects:

Yes, absolutely
Wasn't my first choice, but solid pick
Well, Tim better be right
and Avoid at all costs

Jovic falls in the "well tim better be right" category.

Ideally, we should be looking at guys who can at worst, help solve major weaknesses this team has without the need to overpay in free agency to fix it.

Christian Koloko helps fill more of a need, Tari Eason as well (even though I'm cooling off on Eason as well).

The guards at 19 are harder to figure out even though that should be a point of emphasis since PG will become a major need after this season. Every guard has big time flaws.
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WildWolf2813 wrote:Jovic is not necessarily on my avoid at all costs list, but what is the long term plan for Jovic and McDaniels? If neither is able to play the 4 long term, it's a wasted pick.


I think we should have 4 tiers of prospects:

Yes, absolutely
Wasn't my first choice, but solid pick
Well, Tim better be right
and Avoid at all costs

Jovic falls in the "well tim better be right" category.

Ideally, we should be looking at guys who can at worst, help solve major weaknesses this team has without the need to overpay in free agency to fix it.

Christian Koloko helps fill more of a need, Tari Eason as well (even though I'm cooling off on Eason as well).

The guards at 19 are harder to figure out even though that should be a point of emphasis since PG will become a major need after this season. Every guard has big time flaws.


I think the potential is there when it comes to Jovic and I'm still in the draft best player available camp. You name a prospect at #19 I can find at least 2 legit concerns about him including Jovic. The worst concern is autocorrect changing his name to Jokic. Lol jk sure if you have 2 or 5 prospects that are basically the same sure pick fit but I would hope there was a more separation than that.
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With a number 19 pick I just want the best asset possible. I personally think Jovic has the highest ceiling to be that which is why I am for it. If the fit issue that we have too many long wings that demand playing time I would be really happy with that outcome. The more assets the better as this still is a team that is many moves away from optimal. If the best player at 19 happens to be a 4 that can contribute to the fit of this team great, but I hate the idea of drafting for fit at 19 when there is no guarantee we are even going to get a player that will stick.
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monsterpile wrote:
WildWolf2813 wrote:Jovic is not necessarily on my avoid at all costs list, but what is the long term plan for Jovic and McDaniels? If neither is able to play the 4 long term, it's a wasted pick.


I think we should have 4 tiers of prospects:

Yes, absolutely
Wasn't my first choice, but solid pick
Well, Tim better be right
and Avoid at all costs

Jovic falls in the "well tim better be right" category.

Ideally, we should be looking at guys who can at worst, help solve major weaknesses this team has without the need to overpay in free agency to fix it.

Christian Koloko helps fill more of a need, Tari Eason as well (even though I'm cooling off on Eason as well).

The guards at 19 are harder to figure out even though that should be a point of emphasis since PG will become a major need after this season. Every guard has big time flaws.


I think the potential is there when it comes to Jovic and I'm still in the draft best player available camp. You name a prospect at #19 I can find at least 2 legit concerns about him including Jovic. The worst concern is autocorrect changing his name to Jokic. Lol jk sure if you have 2 or 5 prospects that are basically the same sure pick fit but I would hope there was a more separation than that.


Oh I don't mind BPA (can't say it enough) but this team also has to draft assuming we're gonna be totally insular in our team construction, so with potentially 4 picks this year, each player has to make some sort of sense on this team figuratively.

Tough decisions Tim Connelly has to make to round out this team. The worry I have is drafting guys with similar weaknesses to the guys already on the roster. I'll use Tari Eason for example. Like him as a prospect but if we can't fix KAT and McDaniels' foul troubles I'm not gonna be too confident that we'll fix his. I'm not gonna be comfortable with Jovic and Bolmaro sharing the court if they're gonna get bullied all the time. If Jovic and McDaniels can't coexist, it magnifies the problems we already have. Potential is fine and if they feel that helps long term, cool, but it also takes away a big chance to improve this team now. I don't wanna exclusively rely on a really bad free agent class to improve this team.
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WildWolf2813 wrote:Jovic is not necessarily on my avoid at all costs list, but what is the long term plan for Jovic and McDaniels? If neither is able to play the 4 long term, it's a wasted pick.


I think we should have 4 tiers of prospects:

Yes, absolutely
Wasn't my first choice, but solid pick
Well, Tim better be right
and Avoid at all costs

Jovic falls in the "well tim better be right" category.

Ideally, we should be looking at guys who can at worst, help solve major weaknesses this team has without the need to overpay in free agency to fix it.

Christian Koloko helps fill more of a need, Tari Eason as well (even though I'm cooling off on Eason as well).

The guards at 19 are harder to figure out even though that should be a point of emphasis since PG will become a major need after this season. Every guard has big time flaws.


I think my tiers would be more:

Polished Player ready to contribute
High upside
Specialist
No interest

Best player available doesn't really work because it's hard to know which players are going to put in the work and reach there potential. I think it's a constant evaluation of upside vs basketball IQ and identifying work ethic that you think can be coached into high end players.

Jovic to me is all upside and hard to evaluate, he runs the floor and dunks. Has some movement for a 6'10" player that you could envision a bit of a unicorn. However you watch his shot, his driving and passing and I think he's way more of a risk than a unicorn but who knows maybe he puts it all together.

I'll label him upside with significant risk = No interest at 19
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Tactical unit wrote:
WildWolf2813 wrote:Jovic is not necessarily on my avoid at all costs list, but what is the long term plan for Jovic and McDaniels? If neither is able to play the 4 long term, it's a wasted pick.


I think we should have 4 tiers of prospects:

Yes, absolutely
Wasn't my first choice, but solid pick
Well, Tim better be right
and Avoid at all costs

Jovic falls in the "well tim better be right" category.

Ideally, we should be looking at guys who can at worst, help solve major weaknesses this team has without the need to overpay in free agency to fix it.

Christian Koloko helps fill more of a need, Tari Eason as well (even though I'm cooling off on Eason as well).

The guards at 19 are harder to figure out even though that should be a point of emphasis since PG will become a major need after this season. Every guard has big time flaws.


I think my tiers would be more:

Polished Player ready to contribute
High upside
Specialist
No interest

Best player available doesn't really work because it's hard to know which players are going to put in the work and reach there potential. I think it's a constant evaluation of upside vs basketball IQ and identifying work ethic that you think can be coached into high end players.

Jovic to me is all upside and hard to evaluate, he runs the floor and dunks. Has some movement for a 6'10" player that you could envision a bit of a unicorn. However you watch his shot, his driving and passing and I think he's way more of a risk than a unicorn but who knows maybe he puts it all together.

I'll label him upside with significant risk = No interest at 19


Significant risk doesn't necessarily mean we shouldn't have interest. I say that because Josh Okogie was supposed to be a relatively safe pick at 20 only for him to be Corey Brewer with an abandoned jump shot. That's why if a player carries some risk, Connelly better now something we don't.
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He's an intriguing player. I like his combination of PF length and wing skill set. But I wouldn't draft him at #19. My view is that first-round picks should always be used to get a player who has a good chance of eventually becoming a starter and a realistic chance of becoming an all-star caliber player. While I like the high offensive upside that Jovic brings, I think his defensive deficiencies will prevent him from ever becoming a starter, much less an all-star caliber player, on a contending team. In my view you have to be a two-way player to be a starter on a contending team unless you are elite offensively like Luka. I don't see Jovic ever being elite offensively. Watching him, his movements seem a bit slow. He's clearly not particularly quick or vertically explosive. He's a good ball-handler, but doesn't have the fluidity of Jalen Williams or Dalen Terry. As you see in the posted video, he has trouble finishing.

I was higher on him just as couple days ago than I am now after watching a lot of Jovic videos and reading more reviews. I think he's a second-round talent and I suspect that's where he'll end up getting drafting.

My first-round grade guys with a chance to be available at #19 or below remain Dalen Terry, Jalen Williams, Wendell Moore and EJ Liddell. All four, yes even Liddell, have starter potential in my view. They are all two-way players and I think they also have high floors.

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I haven't fallen in love with Nikola Jovic, the prospect, like others have. I think he is generally adequate at most aspects of the game, but I can't pinpoint any one thing he does at a level above his peers besides perhaps passing the basketball. His size and youth enhances the intrigue with him, but I don't see a star player there and it's difficult to project what role he'd actually thrive in once you consider his physical limitations defensively-- not agile enough to defend wings, not strong or tough enough to handle the interior. I think he's best-suited to follow the path of Nemanja Bjelica, which is a solid player, no doubt, but not one I'd be willing to select at 19 in this draft.
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