PF/big front court targets

[FNG]

To back off my turnover comment about Hartenstein a bit, KG makes a fair point about him moving the ball well. His assist numbers are very good. I haven't watched him that much, and it could be that his mishandling of the ball in the games I watched was not his norm. It's quite likely that his relatively high TO rate is a product of his being involved in the offense more than say a guy like Vando, and not because of bad hands.

There are a lot of plusses and minuses with Hartenstein. But he's a popular choice here with several posters who understand what we need, and I wouldn't be opposed to picking him up at a reasonable price.

[Monster]

It was mentioned that Holmes had some issues and honestly I didn't even know about them so I looked them up this morning. He has now been granted full custody of his son.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2022/05/13/after-being-accused-by-ex-wife-of-domestic-violence-toward-son-kings-richaun-holmes-gains-custody-of-son/amp/

It would seem Holmes would be a gettable player although a 15% trade kicker makes him a bit more expensive. I suppose it's possible he waives that in order to get to a better situation. Does Mike Brown now being the coach change anything for the Kings? Who they end up drafting? What kind of market would Holmes have? I'd definitely do a Beasley, Naz and a lower 2nd for Holmes. The Kings might be able to get a good package that includes a first round pick and a player that is useful to them especially since they may be looking to be competitive. Maybe someone else trades for Holmes and that makes another big available for nothing more than basically matching salaries.

[Lipoli390]

Here's a list of non-free agent bigs who the Wolves should have on their radar as possible trade targets:

1. Clint Capela (probably not realistic, but he's be my top candidate if it were possible)
2. Wendell Carter Jr.
3. Richaun Holmes
4. Christian Wood
5. Mo Bamba (he's a RFA, but we'd have to do a sign-and-trade to get him since I think he'll command more than MLE)
6. Alex Len
7. Myles Turner (I listed him even though I'd stay away based on his injury issues)
8. Isaiah Stewart
9. Gaga Bitadze
10. Kokanee Azubike
11. James Wiseman (It's rumored that GS will pursue a trade for Rudy Gobert. If Wiseman isn't part of that deal, then perhaps the Wolves would have a chance to get him)
12. Jakob Poeltl

My list of free agent bigs to target remains the same in order of preference:

1. Jusaf Nurkic
2. I. Hartenstein
3. Jalen Smith
4. Moses Brown

[Lipoli390]

I'm going to refine my list of trade target bigs for the Wolves by limiting it to those who I consider realistic targets. As a parameter for a realistic deal, I'm limit outgoing assets to one or more of the following: Beasley, Naz Reid, DLO, one or more if this year's 2nd-round picks, and up to two future 2nd-round picks. Here's my list of realistic target bigs for a trade this off-season:

1. Richaun Holmes (I could see the Kings moving on from him now that they are building around Sabonis. Beasley, Reid and a couple 2nd-round picks might be enough)

2. Mo Bamba (If the Magic draft Holmgren or Banchero, then I don't see them trying competing re-sign Bamba as a RFA. I'm sure there will be some interest in extending an offer sheet to Bamba, but there aren't a lot of teams with a ton of cap space and I'm not sure how coveted Mo is around the League. I think Orlando would relish the idea of getting some value in return in a sign-and-trade deal for a guy who they don't really need. Beasley, Naz and a couple 2nd-round picks might be enough).

3. Isaiah Stewart (I think he'd be a great fit for the Wolves, providing strength, toughness and rebounding to our front line. Not sure what it would take to get him. Naz Reid and a couple 2nd-round picks?)

3. Alex Len (I would think he's an easy get with Sabonis and Holmes on the KIngs' roster. With one year left at $3.9M, he's a bargain. But I'm not sure how the Wolves would match salaries. I don't see him as an upgrade over Naz overall, so I'm not particularly excited about the prospect of trading for Len. I'd much rather sign Jalen Smith or Hartenstein as a free agent)

4. Bitadze (Shouldn't take much to get him as he didn't play much last season. But would we even want him?)

5. Azubike

[Monster]

I'm going to refine my list of trade target bigs for the Wolves by limiting it to those who I consider realistic targets. As a parameter for a realistic deal, I'm limit outgoing assets to one or more of the following: Beasley, Naz Reid, DLO, one or more if this year's 2nd-round picks, and up to two future 2nd-round picks. Here's my list of realistic target bigs for a trade this off-season:

1. Richaun Holmes (I could see the Kings moving on from him now that they are building around Sabonis. Beasley, Reid and a couple 2nd-round picks might be enough)

2. Mo Bamba (If the Magic draft Holmgren or Banchero, then I don't see them trying competing re-sign Bamba as a RFA. I'm sure there will be some interest in extending an offer sheet to Bamba, but there aren't a lot of teams with a ton of cap space and I'm not sure how coveted Mo is around the League. I think Orlando would relish the idea of getting some value in return in a sign-and-trade deal for a guy who they don't really need. Beasley, Naz and a couple 2nd-round picks might be enough).

3. Isaiah Stewart (I think he'd be a great fit for the Wolves, providing strength, toughness and rebounding to our front line. Not sure what it would take to get him. Naz Reid and a couple 2nd-round picks?)

3. Alex Len (I would think he's an easy get with Sabonis and Holmes on the KIngs' roster. With one year left at $3.9M, he's a bargain. But I'm not sure how the Wolves would match salaries. I don't see him as an upgrade over Naz overall, so I'm not particularly excited about the prospect of trading for Len. I'd much rather sign Jalen Smith or Hartenstein as a free agent)

4. Bitadze (Shouldn't take much to get him as he didn't play much last season. But would we even want him?)

5. Azubike

FWIW I messaged my friend that is a Kings fan and he said he thought the Kings would move Holmes this offseason. He doesn't have any insider info just a fan that lives in the area. I wouldn't call him a great source but I would prefer to ask him than wade through a bunch of random articles on the internet and having little clue of wether any of them actually know what they are talking about.

I don't know why Detroit would trade Stewart. They drafted him in the first round in 2020 He is a young big (turns 21 in a few days) on a rebuilding team. He would seem more like a core guy or someone they hope he is one than someone they would move.

If the Wolves want Alex Len they don't have to match salaries they could just take him on with the trade exception they got in the Rubio trade. They would need to make that deal before the end of the league year.

Bitadze Didn't play much the first few months but started getting more minutes as the season went on and was playing more minutes after Sabonis was traded. In his starts he averaged over 25 mpg. I don't know how the Pacers value him and even less about whether or not we should trade for him.

[Lipoli390]

I'm going to refine my list of trade target bigs for the Wolves by limiting it to those who I consider realistic targets. As a parameter for a realistic deal, I'm limit outgoing assets to one or more of the following: Beasley, Naz Reid, DLO, one or more if this year's 2nd-round picks, and up to two future 2nd-round picks. Here's my list of realistic target bigs for a trade this off-season:

1. Richaun Holmes (I could see the Kings moving on from him now that they are building around Sabonis. Beasley, Reid and a couple 2nd-round picks might be enough)

2. Mo Bamba (If the Magic draft Holmgren or Banchero, then I don't see them trying competing re-sign Bamba as a RFA. I'm sure there will be some interest in extending an offer sheet to Bamba, but there aren't a lot of teams with a ton of cap space and I'm not sure how coveted Mo is around the League. I think Orlando would relish the idea of getting some value in return in a sign-and-trade deal for a guy who they don't really need. Beasley, Naz and a couple 2nd-round picks might be enough).

3. Isaiah Stewart (I think he'd be a great fit for the Wolves, providing strength, toughness and rebounding to our front line. Not sure what it would take to get him. Naz Reid and a couple 2nd-round picks?)

3. Alex Len (I would think he's an easy get with Sabonis and Holmes on the KIngs' roster. With one year left at $3.9M, he's a bargain. But I'm not sure how the Wolves would match salaries. I don't see him as an upgrade over Naz overall, so I'm not particularly excited about the prospect of trading for Len. I'd much rather sign Jalen Smith or Hartenstein as a free agent)

4. Bitadze (Shouldn't take much to get him as he didn't play much last season. But would we even want him?)

5. Azubike

FWIW I messaged my friend that is a Kings fan and he said he thought the Kings would move Holmes this offseason. He doesn't have any insider info just a fan that lives in the area. I wouldn't call him a great source but I would prefer to ask him than wade through a bunch of random articles on the internet and having little clue of wether any of them actually know what they are talking about.

I don't know why Detroit would trade Stewart. They drafted him in the first round in 2020 He is a young big (turns 21 in a few days) on a rebuilding team. He would seem more like a core guy or someone they hope he is one than someone they would move.

If the Wolves want Alex Len they don't have to match salaries they could just take him on with the trade exception they got in the Rubio trade. They would need to make that deal before the end of the league year.

Bitadze Didn't play much the first few months but started getting more minutes as the season went on and was playing more minutes after Sabonis was traded. In his starts he averaged over 25 mpg. I don't know how the Pacers value him and even less about whether or not we should trade for him.

Good info from your friend. I'm not surprised. My sense from what I've read aligns with what I've read and my gut feel for what makes sense for the Kings after the Sabonis deal. That's why I consider Holmes a realistic trade target. But the Kings might demand a 1-round pick as part of a package for Holmes and I wouldn't be willing to do that.

Why would the Pistons trade Stewart? That depends on how they'd value the return. How much would they value having Naz? I think they might trade Stewart for Naz and our #19 pick, but I wouldn't give up #19 for him. He's certainly someone the Wolves should inquire about.

[Monster]

I'm going to refine my list of trade target bigs for the Wolves by limiting it to those who I consider realistic targets. As a parameter for a realistic deal, I'm limit outgoing assets to one or more of the following: Beasley, Naz Reid, DLO, one or more if this year's 2nd-round picks, and up to two future 2nd-round picks. Here's my list of realistic target bigs for a trade this off-season:

1. Richaun Holmes (I could see the Kings moving on from him now that they are building around Sabonis. Beasley, Reid and a couple 2nd-round picks might be enough)

2. Mo Bamba (If the Magic draft Holmgren or Banchero, then I don't see them trying competing re-sign Bamba as a RFA. I'm sure there will be some interest in extending an offer sheet to Bamba, but there aren't a lot of teams with a ton of cap space and I'm not sure how coveted Mo is around the League. I think Orlando would relish the idea of getting some value in return in a sign-and-trade deal for a guy who they don't really need. Beasley, Naz and a couple 2nd-round picks might be enough).

3. Isaiah Stewart (I think he'd be a great fit for the Wolves, providing strength, toughness and rebounding to our front line. Not sure what it would take to get him. Naz Reid and a couple 2nd-round picks?)

3. Alex Len (I would think he's an easy get with Sabonis and Holmes on the KIngs' roster. With one year left at $3.9M, he's a bargain. But I'm not sure how the Wolves would match salaries. I don't see him as an upgrade over Naz overall, so I'm not particularly excited about the prospect of trading for Len. I'd much rather sign Jalen Smith or Hartenstein as a free agent)

4. Bitadze (Shouldn't take much to get him as he didn't play much last season. But would we even want him?)

5. Azubike

FWIW I messaged my friend that is a Kings fan and he said he thought the Kings would move Holmes this offseason. He doesn't have any insider info just a fan that lives in the area. I wouldn't call him a great source but I would prefer to ask him than wade through a bunch of random articles on the internet and having little clue of wether any of them actually know what they are talking about.

I don't know why Detroit would trade Stewart. They drafted him in the first round in 2020 He is a young big (turns 21 in a few days) on a rebuilding team. He would seem more like a core guy or someone they hope he is one than someone they would move.

If the Wolves want Alex Len they don't have to match salaries they could just take him on with the trade exception they got in the Rubio trade. They would need to make that deal before the end of the league year.

Bitadze Didn't play much the first few months but started getting more minutes as the season went on and was playing more minutes after Sabonis was traded. In his starts he averaged over 25 mpg. I don't know how the Pacers value him and even less about whether or not we should trade for him.

Good info from your friend. I'm not surprised. My sense from what I've read aligns with what I've read and my gut feel for what makes sense for the Kings after the Sabonis deal. That's why I consider Holmes a realistic trade target. But the Kings might demand a 1-round pick as part of a package for Holmes and I wouldn't be willing to do that.

Why would the Pistons trade Stewart? That depends on how they'd value the return. How much would they value having Naz? I think they might trade Stewart for Naz and our #19 pick, but I wouldn't give up #19 for him. He's certainly someone the Wolves should inquire about.

FWIW

A couple articles I read said that the Kings need 3 point shooting. It also said they need defense but obviously to get both is tough to do. If the Kings end up with a big in the draft or even a guy that's a SF then Beasley would make sense. If I was the Kings I would be looking to trade Holmes Barnes even Holiday for the best offer I could get. They wouldn't have to move any of those guys this offseason they could wait till the trade deadline but If I got a solid offer for any of them I would be included to make the move sooner rather than wait. Of course the Kings probably are trying to still win games so...they might not trade all the vets that may have value.

I asked my friend if he thought Holmes could play next to Towns. He hasn't responded yet. :) He did tell me absolutely does not want The Kings to draft Shaedon Sharpe.

[Lipoli390]

I'm going to refine my list of trade target bigs for the Wolves by limiting it to those who I consider realistic targets. As a parameter for a realistic deal, I'm limit outgoing assets to one or more of the following: Beasley, Naz Reid, DLO, one or more if this year's 2nd-round picks, and up to two future 2nd-round picks. Here's my list of realistic target bigs for a trade this off-season:

1. Richaun Holmes (I could see the Kings moving on from him now that they are building around Sabonis. Beasley, Reid and a couple 2nd-round picks might be enough)

2. Mo Bamba (If the Magic draft Holmgren or Banchero, then I don't see them trying competing re-sign Bamba as a RFA. I'm sure there will be some interest in extending an offer sheet to Bamba, but there aren't a lot of teams with a ton of cap space and I'm not sure how coveted Mo is around the League. I think Orlando would relish the idea of getting some value in return in a sign-and-trade deal for a guy who they don't really need. Beasley, Naz and a couple 2nd-round picks might be enough).

3. Isaiah Stewart (I think he'd be a great fit for the Wolves, providing strength, toughness and rebounding to our front line. Not sure what it would take to get him. Naz Reid and a couple 2nd-round picks?)

3. Alex Len (I would think he's an easy get with Sabonis and Holmes on the KIngs' roster. With one year left at $3.9M, he's a bargain. But I'm not sure how the Wolves would match salaries. I don't see him as an upgrade over Naz overall, so I'm not particularly excited about the prospect of trading for Len. I'd much rather sign Jalen Smith or Hartenstein as a free agent)

4. Bitadze (Shouldn't take much to get him as he didn't play much last season. But would we even want him?)

5. Azubike

FWIW I messaged my friend that is a Kings fan and he said he thought the Kings would move Holmes this offseason. He doesn't have any insider info just a fan that lives in the area. I wouldn't call him a great source but I would prefer to ask him than wade through a bunch of random articles on the internet and having little clue of wether any of them actually know what they are talking about.

I don't know why Detroit would trade Stewart. They drafted him in the first round in 2020 He is a young big (turns 21 in a few days) on a rebuilding team. He would seem more like a core guy or someone they hope he is one than someone they would move.

If the Wolves want Alex Len they don't have to match salaries they could just take him on with the trade exception they got in the Rubio trade. They would need to make that deal before the end of the league year.

Bitadze Didn't play much the first few months but started getting more minutes as the season went on and was playing more minutes after Sabonis was traded. In his starts he averaged over 25 mpg. I don't know how the Pacers value him and even less about whether or not we should trade for him.

Good info from your friend. I'm not surprised. My sense from what I've read aligns with what I've read and my gut feel for what makes sense for the Kings after the Sabonis deal. That's why I consider Holmes a realistic trade target. But the Kings might demand a 1-round pick as part of a package for Holmes and I wouldn't be willing to do that.

Why would the Pistons trade Stewart? That depends on how they'd value the return. How much would they value having Naz? I think they might trade Stewart for Naz and our #19 pick, but I wouldn't give up #19 for him. He's certainly someone the Wolves should inquire about.

FWIW

A couple articles I read said that the Kings need 3 point shooting. It also said they need defense but obviously to get both is tough to do. If the Kings end up with a big in the draft or even a guy that's a SF then Beasley would make sense. If I was the Kings I would be looking to trade Holmes Barnes even Holiday for the best offer I could get. They wouldn't have to move any of those guys this offseason they could wait till the trade deadline but If I got a solid offer for any of them I would be included to make the move sooner rather than wait. Of course the Kings probably are trying to still win games so...they might not trade all the vets that may have value.

I asked my friend if he thought Holmes could play next to Towns. He hasn't responded yet. :) He did tell me absolutely does not want The Kings to draft Shaedon Sharpe.

Thanks, Monster. It makes sense that the Kings would want 3-point shooting after trading away Buddy. Their two cornerstones, Fox and Sabonis, are poor three-point shooters. Beasley would make a lot of sense for them. Beasley straight up for Holmes would be a reasonable deal for both teams. I wouldn't give up more than that if I were Gupta -- or Connelly :)

[Tactical unit]

R. Holmes? Not interested in that very much.

[Monster]

R. Holmes? Not interested in that very much.

I'd like to hear more of your thoughts why.