PF/big front court targets

[worldK]

Wendell Carter Jr and Richaun Homes are my top 2 choice.

Im a fan of Carter Jr and has followed him on the magic. What impressed me the most is his ability to play the 4 on both ends at todays NBA. He played Center almost all his minutes with the bulls but shifted to PF last season and played 2/3 of his minutes there. He was able to guard and matchup well with giannis, siakam, randall and guarded durant, tatum and other small ball 4's most of the time. He will shift to guard the Embiids, bam and KAT when they play them as Bamba isn't strong enough for them(which is why I'm not high on bamba). He is versatile enough to guard the best 4 or 5 in the opposing lineup. On offense, he began shooting and hitting 3's and can finish around the basket and is an above average rebounder. He fills a lot of the needs we have on the team in terms of a big. That said, Im sure the magic would like to keep him. It would depend on who they draft and their long term plans for the bigs they have.

Richaun Holmes would be an upgrade over Naz and can start and play alongside KAT. He has not shown range beyond the 3pt line but is a decent mid range shooter and has a nifty floater game that makes him a threat on offense. Can guard and rebound as well and can rim run and finish lobs( something we dont have on our team).

Beasley, Naz and the 2nd round picks are going to be in play and Im willing to add the 19th pick and bolmaro if we can add more useful pieces and assets in return.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Wendell Carter Jr. would be a great get. Unfortunately, I don't see him as a player Orlando would be willing to give up without a significant return, and by that I mean two first-round picks. That's what San Antonio was reportedly demanding for Jakob Poeltl and Carter Jr. is comparable in value, if not higher considering the additional years below market value that he's signed for. It never hurts to make a call, but in the end I think the asking price would be higher than most of us would be willing to pay.

[Tactical unit]

R. Holmes? Not interested in that very much.

I'd like to hear more of your thoughts why.

I don't see his contract as a value, it feels like you are paying for every bit of production. Doesn't feel like a massive difference maker to me and I think teams would love to create a switch to attack R. Holmes.

Holmes best year at age 27 he played about 29 mins a game and produced 8.3 TREB / 1.6 BLK / 14.2 PTS. Stats aren't the end all be all of a players value, they don't tell you how well he sets screens and leaves out many of the valuable on court details. However I think for comparison sake give Naz Reid 29 minutes a game on that same SAC team and he would likely outshine Holmes IMO. Reid also stretches the floor and more than anything is a value player who's production exceeds what he is being paid.

Final thought, Holmes cost something to obtain and I don't want to spend assets for what he brings at the contractual price. I'd rather throw Holmes 11 to 12 Million a year at a FA and keep assets.

I could be wrong, maybe Holmes hasn't peaked and his defense on guards is better than I am giving him credit for.

[Lipoli390]

Wendell Carter Jr and Richaun Homes are my top 2 choice.

Im a fan of Carter Jr and has followed him on the magic. What impressed me the most is his ability to play the 4 on both ends at todays NBA. He played Center almost all his minutes with the bulls but shifted to PF last season and played 2/3 of his minutes there. He was able to guard and matchup well with giannis, siakam, randall and guarded durant, tatum and other small ball 4's most of the time. He will shift to guard the Embiids, bam and KAT when they play them as Bamba isn't strong enough for them(which is why I'm not high on bamba). He is versatile enough to guard the best 4 or 5 in the opposing lineup. On offense, he began shooting and hitting 3's and can finish around the basket and is an above average rebounder. He fills a lot of the needs we have on the team in terms of a big. That said, Im sure the magic would like to keep him. It would depend on who they draft and their long term plans for the bigs they have.

Richaun Holmes would be an upgrade over Naz and can start and play alongside KAT. He has not shown range beyond the 3pt line but is a decent mid range shooter and has a nifty floater game that makes him a threat on offense. Can guard and rebound as well and can rim run and finish lobs( something we dont have on our team).

Beasley, Naz and the 2nd round picks are going to be in play and Im willing to add the 19th pick and bolmaro if we can add more useful pieces and assets in return.

I'd love to get Carter, but I agree with Cam that the asking price will be high and involve at couple 1st round picks, including this year's #19. That's not a price I'd be willing to pay. I like Holmes, but I wouldn't give up our #19 pick or any future 1st-round pick to get him. I think Beasley and two of our three 2nd-round picks would be a reasonable offer for Holmes. The Kings need three-point shooting and that's what Beasley would provide - plus the added bonus of athleticism and rebounding, which you don't often get from top three-point shooting role players. If that's not enough to get Holmes, I'm content to get one of several quality free-agent bigs - Nurkic, Hartenstein, Jalen Smith.

[Tactical unit]

Wendell Carter Jr and Richaun Homes are my top 2 choice.

Im a fan of Carter Jr and has followed him on the magic. What impressed me the most is his ability to play the 4 on both ends at todays NBA. He played Center almost all his minutes with the bulls but shifted to PF last season and played 2/3 of his minutes there. He was able to guard and matchup well with giannis, siakam, randall and guarded durant, tatum and other small ball 4's most of the time. He will shift to guard the Embiids, bam and KAT when they play them as Bamba isn't strong enough for them(which is why I'm not high on bamba). He is versatile enough to guard the best 4 or 5 in the opposing lineup. On offense, he began shooting and hitting 3's and can finish around the basket and is an above average rebounder. He fills a lot of the needs we have on the team in terms of a big. That said, Im sure the magic would like to keep him. It would depend on who they draft and their long term plans for the bigs they have.

Richaun Holmes would be an upgrade over Naz and can start and play alongside KAT. He has not shown range beyond the 3pt line but is a decent mid range shooter and has a nifty floater game that makes him a threat on offense. Can guard and rebound as well and can rim run and finish lobs( something we dont have on our team).

Beasley, Naz and the 2nd round picks are going to be in play and Im willing to add the 19th pick and bolmaro if we can add more useful pieces and assets in return.

I'd love to get Carter, but I agree with Cam that the asking price will be high and involve at couple 1st round picks, including this year's #19. That's not a price I'd be willing to pay. I like Holmes, but I wouldn't give up our #19 pick or any future 1st-round pick to get him. I think Beasley and two of our three 2nd-round picks would be a reasonable offer for Holmes. The Kings need three-point shooting and that's what Beasley would provide - plus the added bonus of athleticism and rebounding, which you don't often get from top three-point shooting role players. If that's not enough to get Holmes, I'm content to get one of several quality free-agent bigs - Nurkic, Hartenstein, Jalen Smith.

If Holmes cost more than Beasley I'm out but I might be wrong on just how good Holmes is or isn't depending on how you want to look at it.

Nurkic might be a better rebounder than KAT and that would be a lot of power with him and KAT.

Hartenstein is interesting but does he bring more to the table than current options?

J. Smith might be the most interesting to me, I feel like he could develop into the type of player that could fit well next to KAT.

[Lipoli390]

Wendell Carter Jr and Richaun Homes are my top 2 choice.

Im a fan of Carter Jr and has followed him on the magic. What impressed me the most is his ability to play the 4 on both ends at todays NBA. He played Center almost all his minutes with the bulls but shifted to PF last season and played 2/3 of his minutes there. He was able to guard and matchup well with giannis, siakam, randall and guarded durant, tatum and other small ball 4's most of the time. He will shift to guard the Embiids, bam and KAT when they play them as Bamba isn't strong enough for them(which is why I'm not high on bamba). He is versatile enough to guard the best 4 or 5 in the opposing lineup. On offense, he began shooting and hitting 3's and can finish around the basket and is an above average rebounder. He fills a lot of the needs we have on the team in terms of a big. That said, Im sure the magic would like to keep him. It would depend on who they draft and their long term plans for the bigs they have.

Richaun Holmes would be an upgrade over Naz and can start and play alongside KAT. He has not shown range beyond the 3pt line but is a decent mid range shooter and has a nifty floater game that makes him a threat on offense. Can guard and rebound as well and can rim run and finish lobs( something we dont have on our team).

Beasley, Naz and the 2nd round picks are going to be in play and Im willing to add the 19th pick and bolmaro if we can add more useful pieces and assets in return.

I'd love to get Carter, but I agree with Cam that the asking price will be high and involve at couple 1st round picks, including this year's #19. That's not a price I'd be willing to pay. I like Holmes, but I wouldn't give up our #19 pick or any future 1st-round pick to get him. I think Beasley and two of our three 2nd-round picks would be a reasonable offer for Holmes. The Kings need three-point shooting and that's what Beasley would provide - plus the added bonus of athleticism and rebounding, which you don't often get from top three-point shooting role players. If that's not enough to get Holmes, I'm content to get one of several quality free-agent bigs - Nurkic, Hartenstein, Jalen Smith.

If Holmes cost more than Beasley I'm out but I might be wrong on just how good Holmes is or isn't depending on how you want to look at it.

Nurkic might be a better rebounder than KAT and that would be a lot of power with him and KAT.

Hartenstein is interesting but does he bring more to the table than current options?

J. Smith might be the most interesting to me, I feel like he could develop into the type of player that could fit well next to KAT.

Good points and question, KU.

I'd be willing to give up Beasley and our #48 or #50 pick this year for Holmes. But I wouldn't include #19 or #40. I might be willing to swap Beasley and Naz for Holmes, but I'd want to swap our #48 for the Kings' #37 as part of that deal. If it's not enough, then so be it. I like our free-agent options.

As I've written before, I think Nurkic would be a perfect fit next to KAT. He's big, a terrific rebounder and a two-way player. His injury propensity is my only hesitation, but that's what might make him gettable for the MLE and the only risk would be financial since we wouldn't have to give up any assets to get him.

Good question about Hartenstein. I like his size and skills. But he's still a big of an enigma and it's not clear that he'd be any upgrade over Vando as a starting big next to KAT. Nevertheless, I see him as a step up from Vando and, if nothing else, he would significantly strengthen our bench by pushing Vando into the second unit or himself becoming our main center off the bench with Naz sliding over to the PF position.

The more I think about Jalen Smith, and the more videos I watch of him from last season, the more convinced I am that he'd be an excellent choice to sign and pair with KAT in our starting lineup. He's significantly longer than Vando (9'2 standing reach versus 8'10). He's athletic even if not quite as athletic as Vando. He's an excellent rebounder and he can play both sides of the ball. Moreover, he still has considerable upside potential.

[Q-is-here]

Hartenstein has been incredibly productive in the NBA minutes he's played and last season with the Clips he got a nice, steady dose of minutes as their primary backup C. He also has some real skills in terms of passing and a developing shooting touch.

The thing I can't speak to as well is his defense in space. Hard to know without watching someone extensively.

But if we go the "big bodied Center" route, then we just have to accept the fact that it might be someone that helps us a lot during the regular season, but whose role may be significantly reduced in the playoffs. I'm fine with that. Again, the reason you go this route is to protect KAT to some degree from the wear, tear, fouling, and frustration of guarding the giants in the NBA.

[Lipoli390]

Hartenstein has been incredibly productive in the NBA minutes he's played and last season with the Clips he got a nice, steady dose of minutes as their primary backup C. He also has some real skills in terms of passing and a developing shooting touch.

The thing I can't speak to as well is his defense in space. Hard to know without watching someone extensively.

But if we go the "big bodied Center" route, then we just have to accept the fact that it might be someone that helps us a lot during the regular season, but whose role may be significantly reduced in the playoffs. I'm fine with that. Again, the reason you go this route is to protect KAT to some degree from the wear, tear, fouling, and frustration of guarding the giants in the NBA.

Good points, Q. I haven't seen enough of Hartenstein to know how well he defends, but he was productive last season and he definitely has some nice skills.

[Monster]

Wendell Carter Jr and Richaun Homes are my top 2 choice.

Im a fan of Carter Jr and has followed him on the magic. What impressed me the most is his ability to play the 4 on both ends at todays NBA. He played Center almost all his minutes with the bulls but shifted to PF last season and played 2/3 of his minutes there. He was able to guard and matchup well with giannis, siakam, randall and guarded durant, tatum and other small ball 4's most of the time. He will shift to guard the Embiids, bam and KAT when they play them as Bamba isn't strong enough for them(which is why I'm not high on bamba). He is versatile enough to guard the best 4 or 5 in the opposing lineup. On offense, he began shooting and hitting 3's and can finish around the basket and is an above average rebounder. He fills a lot of the needs we have on the team in terms of a big. That said, Im sure the magic would like to keep him. It would depend on who they draft and their long term plans for the bigs they have.

Richaun Holmes would be an upgrade over Naz and can start and play alongside KAT. He has not shown range beyond the 3pt line but is a decent mid range shooter and has a nifty floater game that makes him a threat on offense. Can guard and rebound as well and can rim run and finish lobs( something we dont have on our team).

Beasley, Naz and the 2nd round picks are going to be in play and Im willing to add the 19th pick and bolmaro if we can add more useful pieces and assets in return.

I'd love to get Carter, but I agree with Cam that the asking price will be high and involve at couple 1st round picks, including this year's #19. That's not a price I'd be willing to pay. I like Holmes, but I wouldn't give up our #19 pick or any future 1st-round pick to get him. I think Beasley and two of our three 2nd-round picks would be a reasonable offer for Holmes. The Kings need three-point shooting and that's what Beasley would provide - plus the added bonus of athleticism and rebounding, which you don't often get from top three-point shooting role players. If that's not enough to get Holmes, I'm content to get one of several quality free-agent bigs - Nurkic, Hartenstein, Jalen Smith.

If Holmes cost more than Beasley I'm out but I might be wrong on just how good Holmes is or isn't depending on how you want to look at it.

Nurkic might be a better rebounder than KAT and that would be a lot of power with him and KAT.

Hartenstein is interesting but does he bring more to the table than current options?

J. Smith might be the most interesting to me, I feel like he could develop into the type of player that could fit well next to KAT.

Good points and question, KU.

I'd be willing to give up Beasley and our #48 or #50 pick this year for Holmes. But I wouldn't include #19 or #40. I might be willing to swap Beasley and Naz for Holmes, but I'd want to swap our #48 for the Kings' #37 as part of that deal. If it's not enough, then so be it. I like our free-agent options.

As I've written before, I think Nurkic would be a perfect fit next to KAT. He's big, a terrific rebounder and a two-way player. His injury propensity is my only hesitation, but that's what might make him gettable for the MLE and the only risk would be financial since we wouldn't have to give up any assets to get him.

Good question about Hartenstein. I like his size and skills. But he's still a big of an enigma and it's not clear that he'd be any upgrade over Vando as a starting big next to KAT. Nevertheless, I see him as a step up from Vando and, if nothing else, he would significantly strengthen our bench by pushing Vando into the second unit or himself becoming our main center off the bench with Naz sliding over to the PF position.

The more I think about Jalen Smith, and the more videos I watch of him from last season, the more convinced I am that he'd be an excellent choice to sign and pair with KAT in our starting lineup. He's significantly longer than Vando (9'2 standing reach versus 8'10). He's athletic even if not quite as athletic as Vando. He's an excellent rebounder and he can play both sides of the ball. Moreover, he still has considerable upside potential.

FWIW I've been watching some highlight videos (or the ones where it has all the possessions where they have a stat) of some of these guys. I thought to some extent Hartenstein and Holmes are somewhat similar. They are seasonably athletic with decent size for centers and move well for their size. They both have that push shot floater game and block some shots rebound alright etc. Holmes took years to get to where he became a completely legit NBA rotation guy. Hartenstein might be a similar player in that regard. It felt like both guys maybe were there before they actually got their opportunity though. Hartenstein is younger and probably would cost less so that's good. Holmes you know you are going to get a good player it's just how good and can you acquire him for something worthwhile? Just to compare Both guys are longer and bouncy than a guy like Naz but Naz is easily the best 3 point shooter and his block steal number per 36 are pretty good. I tend to agree with the idea we need a different player than Naz but I think there is still some upside there.

I completely agree with Lip about Jalen Smith. He is a guy that moves more like a PF than the other guys. He wouldn't be the big C type but he would be a bigger more well rounded version compared to Vanderbilt and more of a PF than Naz. Indiana can pay slightly more than the mid-level via the early bird exception so if they want to outbid the Wolves or other teams without cap space they can. Of course if they do that would they consider moving another of their bigs? I don't know what the market for Smith Will be but if he could be had for like 5 million a year starting I would take a shot at him based on my admittedly fairly limited info. Of course the other question is what does Smith want? In Indiana he gets to play with Halliburton and watching some highlights of Holmes and Smith that Haliburton is dropping all kinds of dimes. In an exit interview for the Pacers media people Smith mentioned how he went from playing with HOF PG Chris Paul to Halliburton.

[Monster]

This could go in like 3 different threads but I'll add it here. Some posters including myself have said that trading for a front court guy that isn't that much better than what we could get in FA may not be a good use of assets. I think there is another way to look at that.

Let's say for example the Wolves trade Beasley straight up for Holmes. Ok Beasley is an asset but now the Wolves have a player in their frontcourt that's a legit rotation player at the very least. It suddenly makes that frontcourt much deeper. Now the Wolves instead of absolutely having to use the mid-level on a big they can do whatever brings the most value. Maybe that's another big. Maybe it's a combo forward. Maybe there is a super versatile guard they can sign. Maybe they can sign a guy that could even be a Russell or Beverly replacement. Maybe they sign a guy that isn't proven but has upside. Maybe they use it to absorb a player in a trade and get some sort of small draft asset. Maybe they simply have another roster spot to keep a young player they drafted. There are all sorts of ways a roster spot can be used as an asset to build a team.

Now the other issue with trading for Holmes is now the front court is crowded. Who will want to sign here with 4 good players already deserving minutes? What kind of opening in the rotation is there for other positions as well? A younger player may see this as a good spot to sign a deal and work their way into an opportunity since a few players on the roster are free agents after this year.

Ultimately this is an important offseason but it also feels like one where if the Wolves can just kinda do a solid job in FA or trade it would be a good one. They don't have to knock it put of the park although that would obviously be nice. :)