Trade with Indiana thoughts

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Minnesota gets worse and trades three draft picks to do it. Not a trade I'd be in favor of.

[kekgeek]

This has nothing to do with this trade but why do we all like Myles Turner so much.

He has serious foot issues for big, what is never good for a big. He is a terrible rebounder for a center, he in theory can shoot but is only a 33% 3 pt shooter, he can score down low but he isn't great at it. He is very good at protecting the rim but in the Playoffs the wolves played really good defense they just couldn't finish possession and rebound the ball what is Turners biggest weakness.

Can someone help me understand why Turner would be a good fit on this roster

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

This has nothing to do with this trade but why do we all like Myles Turner so much.

He has serious foot issues for big, what is never good for a big. He is a terrible rebounder for a center, he in theory can shoot but is only a 33% 3 pt shooter, he can score down low but he isn't great at it. He is very good at protecting the rim but in the Playoffs the wolves played really good defense they just couldn't finish possession and rebound the ball what is Turners biggest weakness.

Can someone help me understand why Turner would be a good fit on this roster

Because Dane Moore says so... In all seriousness, I backed way off the Myles Turner idea long ago and seeing how Minnesota finished the season only reaffirmed that for me. I think he's a fine player, albeit not very durable, but the fit would be awkward and the price to acquire would be intolerable. It's an easy no.

[WildWolf2813]

This has nothing to do with this trade but why do we all like Myles Turner so much.

He has serious foot issues for big, what is never good for a big. He is a terrible rebounder for a center, he in theory can shoot but is only a 33% 3 pt shooter, he can score down low but he isn't great at it. He is very good at protecting the rim but in the Playoffs the wolves played really good defense they just couldn't finish possession and rebound the ball what is Turners biggest weakness.

Can someone help me understand why Turner would be a good fit on this roster

Because historically this franchise has always sucked at protecting the rim and you figure that Turner will benefit playing off of one of the great big man shooters ever in Towns.


Also, this team wants versatile players. This team for a long time has had guys who are good at one thing but are so bad at the others that it messes up their game and we combine them with players who have the same problem.


Josh Okogie can't be in the rotation because he's so bad at everything else despite the fact that his defense would be a welcome plus on the team. Too many players with these fatal flaws that make the team incompatible as a collective.


If Turner's not your cup of tea, then that's fair. But can this team do better?

[Q-is-here]

This has nothing to do with this trade but why do we all like Myles Turner so much.

He has serious foot issues for big, what is never good for a big. He is a terrible rebounder for a center, he in theory can shoot but is only a 33% 3 pt shooter, he can score down low but he isn't great at it. He is very good at protecting the rim but in the Playoffs the wolves played really good defense they just couldn't finish possession and rebound the ball what is Turners biggest weakness.

Can someone help me understand why Turner would be a good fit on this roster

- His On/Off numbers are pretty good when it comes to team defensive rebounding, meaning that even if he himself isn't a great rebounder, his team rebounds defensively better when he's on the court versus off. Remember Pekovic? That was always the case with him too. He took up space and sealed the paint, often allowing others to get the board.

- He would allow us to diversify our defense and play drop coverage. We can't ALWAYS go high wall, as the really good teams can pick that apart if they see it constantly in a playoff series.

- While he's not a good 3-point shooter, he is at least somewhat of a threat to score and is a bigger target around the hoop. Opposing defenses could just ignore Vando for the most part not just because of his lack of outside shooting, but also because he was an unreliable target in the paint with his poor hands and lack of strength in finishing.

- Turner could absorb some fouls and physicality that KAT otherwise has to endure, even if he only plays 20-25 MPG. KAT can be so much better and more aggressive on both ends late in games if he's playing with 2 or 3 fouls instead of 4 or 5.

Of course, we can also find someone else that does these three things above and may be less injury prone, so I don't necessarily disagree with you.

A lot of us think of Myles Turner from a few years ago, when he wasn't missing as many games and seemed to play a bigger role with the Pacers. Perhaps that lingers a bit and why his name keeps getting brought up?

[Lipoli390]

This has nothing to do with this trade but why do we all like Myles Turner so much.

He has serious foot issues for big, what is never good for a big. He is a terrible rebounder for a center, he in theory can shoot but is only a 33% 3 pt shooter, he can score down low but he isn't great at it. He is very good at protecting the rim but in the Playoffs the wolves played really good defense they just couldn't finish possession and rebound the ball what is Turners biggest weakness.

Can someone help me understand why Turner would be a good fit on this roster

- His On/Off numbers are pretty good when it comes to team defensive rebounding, meaning that even if he himself isn't a great rebounder, his team rebounds defensively better when he's on the court versus off. Remember Pekovic? That was always the case with him too. He took up space and sealed the paint, often allowing others to get the board.

- He would allow us to diversify our defense and play drop coverage. We can't ALWAYS go high wall, as the really good teams can pick that apart if they see it constantly in a playoff series.

- While he's not a good 3-point shooter, he is at least somewhat of a threat to score and is a bigger target around the hoop. Opposing defenses could just ignore Vando for the most part not just because of his lack of outside shooting, but also because he was an unreliable target in the paint with his poor hands and lack of strength in finishing.

- Turner could absorb some fouls and physicality that KAT otherwise has to endure, even if he only plays 20-25 MPG. KAT can be so much better and more aggressive on both ends late in games if he's playing with 2 or 3 fouls instead of 4 or 5.

Of course, we can also find someone else that does these three things above and may be less injury prone, so I don't necessarily disagree with you.

A lot of us think of Myles Turner from a few years ago, when he wasn't missing as many games and seemed to play a bigger role with the Pacers. Perhaps that lingers a bit and why his name keeps getting brought up?

I don't put a lot of stock in his on/off defensive rebounding numbers without accounting for who typically shared the court with him. But I still think highly of him as a shot blocker who would add size and who can be a bit of an offensive threat. For me it comes back to his physical issues. When you look back at his draft reviews, there was a lot of concern about his gait, which many thought might make him injury prone. A thorough medical examine found that his weird gate was caused by a muscle imbalance that could be corrected over time. I suspect that it wasn't quite that simple as evidenced by his injury history since coming to the NBA. But it's the recent foot injury that kept him out most of last season that has tipped the scales for me. I see him as too big of a risk to consider giving up any significant assets, including Beasley, to get him. It's not that I'm stuck on keeping Beasley. It's the opportunity cost of using Beasley or any other significant asset to acquire someone like Turner with such a high risk of unavailability instead of other players who could more reliably help the Wolves improve next season and beyond.

[Monster]

This has nothing to do with this trade but why do we all like Myles Turner so much.

He has serious foot issues for big, what is never good for a big. He is a terrible rebounder for a center, he in theory can shoot but is only a 33% 3 pt shooter, he can score down low but he isn't great at it. He is very good at protecting the rim but in the Playoffs the wolves played really good defense they just couldn't finish possession and rebound the ball what is Turners biggest weakness.

Can someone help me understand why Turner would be a good fit on this roster

- His On/Off numbers are pretty good when it comes to team defensive rebounding, meaning that even if he himself isn't a great rebounder, his team rebounds defensively better when he's on the court versus off. Remember Pekovic? That was always the case with him too. He took up space and sealed the paint, often allowing others to get the board.

- He would allow us to diversify our defense and play drop coverage. We can't ALWAYS go high wall, as the really good teams can pick that apart if they see it constantly in a playoff series.

- While he's not a good 3-point shooter, he is at least somewhat of a threat to score and is a bigger target around the hoop. Opposing defenses could just ignore Vando for the most part not just because of his lack of outside shooting, but also because he was an unreliable target in the paint with his poor hands and lack of strength in finishing.

- Turner could absorb some fouls and physicality that KAT otherwise has to endure, even if he only plays 20-25 MPG. KAT can be so much better and more aggressive on both ends late in games if he's playing with 2 or 3 fouls instead of 4 or 5.

Of course, we can also find someone else that does these three things above and may be less injury prone, so I don't necessarily disagree with you.

A lot of us think of Myles Turner from a few years ago, when he wasn't missing as many games and seemed to play a bigger role with the Pacers. Perhaps that lingers a bit and why his name keeps getting brought up?

I don't put a lot of stock in his on/off defensive rebounding numbers without accounting for who typically shared the court with him. But I still think highly of him as a shot blocker who would add size and who can be a bit of an offensive threat. For me it comes back to his physical issues. When you look back at his draft reviews, there was a lot of concern about his gait, which many thought might make him injury prone. A thorough medical examine found that his weird gate was caused by a muscle imbalance that could be corrected over time. I suspect that it wasn't quite that simple as evidenced by his injury history since coming to the NBA. But it's the recent foot injury that kept him out most of last season that has tipped the scales for me. I see him as too big of a risk to consider giving up any significant assets, including Beasley, to get him. It's not that I'm stuck on keeping Beasley. It's the opportunity cost of using Beasley or any other significant asset to acquire someone like Turner with such a high risk of unavailability instead of other players who could more reliably help the Wolves improve next season and beyond.

Alright Lip it's tile to fess up what did Myles Turner do you you to Turn against him like this? Just kidding but it's really something how a few months and more evidence can change how we view a player and in some cases absolutely rightly so. To me I would consider dealing Beasley for Turner now (wasn't willing to do that a few months ago. Lol) but part of that is I'm not really sure he has a lot of value right now. One of the reasons at some point he will be valuable is he is a guy that can play and also has a team option that could mean he could be sent to a team that just wants to clear salary. My guess is that there is a team out there that values Beasley in a deal that would be a better option than dealing for Turner. I can't help but keep my expectations low.

[Lipoli390]

This has nothing to do with this trade but why do we all like Myles Turner so much.

He has serious foot issues for big, what is never good for a big. He is a terrible rebounder for a center, he in theory can shoot but is only a 33% 3 pt shooter, he can score down low but he isn't great at it. He is very good at protecting the rim but in the Playoffs the wolves played really good defense they just couldn't finish possession and rebound the ball what is Turners biggest weakness.

Can someone help me understand why Turner would be a good fit on this roster

- His On/Off numbers are pretty good when it comes to team defensive rebounding, meaning that even if he himself isn't a great rebounder, his team rebounds defensively better when he's on the court versus off. Remember Pekovic? That was always the case with him too. He took up space and sealed the paint, often allowing others to get the board.

- He would allow us to diversify our defense and play drop coverage. We can't ALWAYS go high wall, as the really good teams can pick that apart if they see it constantly in a playoff series.

- While he's not a good 3-point shooter, he is at least somewhat of a threat to score and is a bigger target around the hoop. Opposing defenses could just ignore Vando for the most part not just because of his lack of outside shooting, but also because he was an unreliable target in the paint with his poor hands and lack of strength in finishing.

- Turner could absorb some fouls and physicality that KAT otherwise has to endure, even if he only plays 20-25 MPG. KAT can be so much better and more aggressive on both ends late in games if he's playing with 2 or 3 fouls instead of 4 or 5.

Of course, we can also find someone else that does these three things above and may be less injury prone, so I don't necessarily disagree with you.

A lot of us think of Myles Turner from a few years ago, when he wasn't missing as many games and seemed to play a bigger role with the Pacers. Perhaps that lingers a bit and why his name keeps getting brought up?

I don't put a lot of stock in his on/off defensive rebounding numbers without accounting for who typically shared the court with him. But I still think highly of him as a shot blocker who would add size and who can be a bit of an offensive threat. For me it comes back to his physical issues. When you look back at his draft reviews, there was a lot of concern about his gait, which many thought might make him injury prone. A thorough medical examine found that his weird gate was caused by a muscle imbalance that could be corrected over time. I suspect that it wasn't quite that simple as evidenced by his injury history since coming to the NBA. But it's the recent foot injury that kept him out most of last season that has tipped the scales for me. I see him as too big of a risk to consider giving up any significant assets, including Beasley, to get him. It's not that I'm stuck on keeping Beasley. It's the opportunity cost of using Beasley or any other significant asset to acquire someone like Turner with such a high risk of unavailability instead of other players who could more reliably help the Wolves improve next season and beyond.

Alright Lip it's tile to fess up what did Myles Turner do you you to Turn against him like this? Just kidding but it's really something how a few months and more evidence can change how we view a player and in some cases absolutely rightly so. To me I would consider dealing Beasley for Turner now (wasn't willing to do that a few months ago. Lol) but part of that is I'm not really sure he has a lot of value right now. One of the reasons at some point he will be valuable is he is a guy that can play and also has a team option that could mean he could be sent to a team that just wants to clear salary. My guess is that there is a team out there that values Beasley in a deal that would be a better option than dealing for Turner. I can't help but keep my expectations low.

Lol. I've never forgive Myles Turner for what he did to me. I just can't remember what it was. :) Seriously, you're right that it is interesting how a few months of additional change change opinions. You and I have flipped on this issue in the last nine months. To be fair to both of us, we were both close to the line as I recall. I wanted to deal Beasley for Myles Turner, but considered it a close call because of Turner's injury issues. You were against doing that deal because of Turner's injury issues.

For me, another season missing the vast majority of games and ending was the tipping point. Even worse that he ended the season with a foot injury, which is high problematic, especially for a 240-pound big. I actually think it would be reckless to give up value to get him. Looks like your tipping point was what you perceive as Beasley's reduced trade value. In my view, Beasley's trade value is as high now as it was last season if not higher. Last Fall, Beasley had just come out of prison and I suspect there were some concerns around the League about his character. I think enough time has passed without incident to put those concerns to rest. Moreover, although Beasley had a bit of a down season, he still hit nearly 38% of his threes and he showed excellent durability playing in 79 games. He's a bona fide top-tier 3-point shooter with a career 38.6% three-point percentage. And unlike many 3-point specialists, Beasley is a terrific athlete who can run out on the break and finish above the rim. He's also an excellent rebounder and still young at age 25. In a League that values 3-point shooting, Beasley has significant trade value on that basis alone. Beasley's athleticism, rebounding, durability, youth and team-friendly contract add to that value.

I'm already on record that we should look to trade Beasley for a big and pass the 6th-man torch to Nowell. But I think his value is such that the Wolves need to be sure they get an adequate return for him in any trade. And in my view, a key part of getting value is getting a player or players in return who we can expect to be on the court contributing the vast majority of the season. Myles Turner is a walking red flag when it comes to counting on him to play. I'd be willing to risk a free-agent contract on an injury red-flag player like Nurkic, but I wouldn't risk giving up a valuable player/trade asset for an red-flag player like Turner. The Wolves are not in a position where they have to roll the dice. This is a solid, young team that just won 46 games and took the #2 seed to 6 games in the 1st round of the playoffs. We have Beasley and three second-round picks that we can and should put in play for possible trades this offseason. We have the ##19 and 40 picks in what appears to be a very deep draft with two additional 2nd-round picks beyond that. And we will have around $20M in space under the luxury tax with all of our salary cap exceptions available. This is no time for high-risk maneuvers or hale Mary passes. Myles Turner is clearly a high-risk target. I say we should stay away.

I'd also be content to keep Beasley. I just see more margin in trading him for the right player with Nowell ready to step in.

[Monster]

This has nothing to do with this trade but why do we all like Myles Turner so much.

He has serious foot issues for big, what is never good for a big. He is a terrible rebounder for a center, he in theory can shoot but is only a 33% 3 pt shooter, he can score down low but he isn't great at it. He is very good at protecting the rim but in the Playoffs the wolves played really good defense they just couldn't finish possession and rebound the ball what is Turners biggest weakness.

Can someone help me understand why Turner would be a good fit on this roster

- His On/Off numbers are pretty good when it comes to team defensive rebounding, meaning that even if he himself isn't a great rebounder, his team rebounds defensively better when he's on the court versus off. Remember Pekovic? That was always the case with him too. He took up space and sealed the paint, often allowing others to get the board.

- He would allow us to diversify our defense and play drop coverage. We can't ALWAYS go high wall, as the really good teams can pick that apart if they see it constantly in a playoff series.

- While he's not a good 3-point shooter, he is at least somewhat of a threat to score and is a bigger target around the hoop. Opposing defenses could just ignore Vando for the most part not just because of his lack of outside shooting, but also because he was an unreliable target in the paint with his poor hands and lack of strength in finishing.

- Turner could absorb some fouls and physicality that KAT otherwise has to endure, even if he only plays 20-25 MPG. KAT can be so much better and more aggressive on both ends late in games if he's playing with 2 or 3 fouls instead of 4 or 5.

Of course, we can also find someone else that does these three things above and may be less injury prone, so I don't necessarily disagree with you.

A lot of us think of Myles Turner from a few years ago, when he wasn't missing as many games and seemed to play a bigger role with the Pacers. Perhaps that lingers a bit and why his name keeps getting brought up?

I don't put a lot of stock in his on/off defensive rebounding numbers without accounting for who typically shared the court with him. But I still think highly of him as a shot blocker who would add size and who can be a bit of an offensive threat. For me it comes back to his physical issues. When you look back at his draft reviews, there was a lot of concern about his gait, which many thought might make him injury prone. A thorough medical examine found that his weird gate was caused by a muscle imbalance that could be corrected over time. I suspect that it wasn't quite that simple as evidenced by his injury history since coming to the NBA. But it's the recent foot injury that kept him out most of last season that has tipped the scales for me. I see him as too big of a risk to consider giving up any significant assets, including Beasley, to get him. It's not that I'm stuck on keeping Beasley. It's the opportunity cost of using Beasley or any other significant asset to acquire someone like Turner with such a high risk of unavailability instead of other players who could more reliably help the Wolves improve next season and beyond.

Alright Lip it's tile to fess up what did Myles Turner do you you to Turn against him like this? Just kidding but it's really something how a few months and more evidence can change how we view a player and in some cases absolutely rightly so. To me I would consider dealing Beasley for Turner now (wasn't willing to do that a few months ago. Lol) but part of that is I'm not really sure he has a lot of value right now. One of the reasons at some point he will be valuable is he is a guy that can play and also has a team option that could mean he could be sent to a team that just wants to clear salary. My guess is that there is a team out there that values Beasley in a deal that would be a better option than dealing for Turner. I can't help but keep my expectations low.

Lol. I've never forgive Myles Turner for what he did to me. I just can't remember what it was. :) Seriously, you're right that it is interesting how a few months of additional change change opinions. You and I have flipped on this issue in the last nine months. To be fair to both of us, we were both close to the line as I recall. I wanted to deal Beasley for Myles Turner, but considered it a close call because of Turner's injury issues. You were against doing that deal because of Turner's injury issues.

For me, another season missing the vast majority of games and ending was the tipping point. Even worse that he ended the season with a foot injury, which is high problematic, especially for a 240-pound big. I actually think it would be reckless to give up value to get him. Looks like your tipping point was what you perceive as Beasley's reduced trade value. In my view, Beasley's trade value is as high now as it was last season if not higher. Last Fall, Beasley had just come out of prison and I suspect there were some concerns around the League about his character. I think enough time has passed without incident to put those concerns to rest. Moreover, although Beasley had a bit of a down season, he still hit nearly 38% of his threes and he showed excellent durability playing in 79 games. He's a bona fide top-tier 3-point shooter with a career 38.6% three-point percentage. And unlike many 3-point specialists, Beasley is a terrific athlete who can run out on the break and finish above the rim. He's also an excellent rebounder and still young at age 25. In a League that values 3-point shooting, Beasley has significant trade value on that basis alone. Beasley's athleticism, rebounding, durability, youth and team-friendly contract add to that value.

I'm already on record that we should look to trade Beasley for a big and pass the 6th-man torch to Nowell. But I think his value is such that the Wolves need to be sure they get an adequate return for him in any trade. And in my view, a key part of getting value is getting a player or players in return who we can expect to be on the court contributing the vast majority of the season. Myles Turner is a walking red flag when it comes to counting on him to play. I'd be willing to risk a free-agent contract on an injury red-flag player like Nurkic, but I wouldn't risk giving up a valuable player/trade asset for an red-flag player like Turner. The Wolves are not in a position where they have to roll the dice. This is a solid, young team that just won 46 games and took the #2 seed to 6 games in the 1st round of the playoffs. We have Beasley and three second-round picks that we can and should put in play for possible trades this offseason. We have the ##19 and 40 picks in what appears to be a very deep draft with two additional 2nd-round picks beyond that. And we will have around $20M in space under the luxury tax with all of our salary cap exceptions available. This is no time for high-risk maneuvers or hale Mary passes. Myles Turner is clearly a high-risk target. I say we should stay away.

I'd also be content to keep Beasley. I just see more margin in trading him for the right player with Nowell ready to step in.

Excellent post Lip I agree with everything you said here. I think it's worth keeping in mind is every move comes with what the Dunc'd on guys say (or they did when I listed to them) opportunity cost. Acquiring Turner or Nurkic or whoever that can't stay healthy or doesn't work out comes with a cost of who could we have gotten instead. For example resigning Juancho the money that he got and what needed up being a 2 year deal wasn't what was bad it was that we could have maybe signed someone more useful. Most of the players I look at adding this offseason I could see paths of having a bit of buyer's remorse on them. I just don't see a player where I say THAT is the guy. There are player I like and MAYBE could be a piece to this roster but most of them are upgrades or guys with some level of potential. That's not actually a terrible thing because there might be a guy that improves and becomes at last the solid starter this team needs.

[Lipoli390]

This has nothing to do with this trade but why do we all like Myles Turner so much.

He has serious foot issues for big, what is never good for a big. He is a terrible rebounder for a center, he in theory can shoot but is only a 33% 3 pt shooter, he can score down low but he isn't great at it. He is very good at protecting the rim but in the Playoffs the wolves played really good defense they just couldn't finish possession and rebound the ball what is Turners biggest weakness.

Can someone help me understand why Turner would be a good fit on this roster

- His On/Off numbers are pretty good when it comes to team defensive rebounding, meaning that even if he himself isn't a great rebounder, his team rebounds defensively better when he's on the court versus off. Remember Pekovic? That was always the case with him too. He took up space and sealed the paint, often allowing others to get the board.

- He would allow us to diversify our defense and play drop coverage. We can't ALWAYS go high wall, as the really good teams can pick that apart if they see it constantly in a playoff series.

- While he's not a good 3-point shooter, he is at least somewhat of a threat to score and is a bigger target around the hoop. Opposing defenses could just ignore Vando for the most part not just because of his lack of outside shooting, but also because he was an unreliable target in the paint with his poor hands and lack of strength in finishing.

- Turner could absorb some fouls and physicality that KAT otherwise has to endure, even if he only plays 20-25 MPG. KAT can be so much better and more aggressive on both ends late in games if he's playing with 2 or 3 fouls instead of 4 or 5.

Of course, we can also find someone else that does these three things above and may be less injury prone, so I don't necessarily disagree with you.

A lot of us think of Myles Turner from a few years ago, when he wasn't missing as many games and seemed to play a bigger role with the Pacers. Perhaps that lingers a bit and why his name keeps getting brought up?

I don't put a lot of stock in his on/off defensive rebounding numbers without accounting for who typically shared the court with him. But I still think highly of him as a shot blocker who would add size and who can be a bit of an offensive threat. For me it comes back to his physical issues. When you look back at his draft reviews, there was a lot of concern about his gait, which many thought might make him injury prone. A thorough medical examine found that his weird gate was caused by a muscle imbalance that could be corrected over time. I suspect that it wasn't quite that simple as evidenced by his injury history since coming to the NBA. But it's the recent foot injury that kept him out most of last season that has tipped the scales for me. I see him as too big of a risk to consider giving up any significant assets, including Beasley, to get him. It's not that I'm stuck on keeping Beasley. It's the opportunity cost of using Beasley or any other significant asset to acquire someone like Turner with such a high risk of unavailability instead of other players who could more reliably help the Wolves improve next season and beyond.

Alright Lip it's tile to fess up what did Myles Turner do you you to Turn against him like this? Just kidding but it's really something how a few months and more evidence can change how we view a player and in some cases absolutely rightly so. To me I would consider dealing Beasley for Turner now (wasn't willing to do that a few months ago. Lol) but part of that is I'm not really sure he has a lot of value right now. One of the reasons at some point he will be valuable is he is a guy that can play and also has a team option that could mean he could be sent to a team that just wants to clear salary. My guess is that there is a team out there that values Beasley in a deal that would be a better option than dealing for Turner. I can't help but keep my expectations low.

Lol. I've never forgive Myles Turner for what he did to me. I just can't remember what it was. :) Seriously, you're right that it is interesting how a few months of additional change change opinions. You and I have flipped on this issue in the last nine months. To be fair to both of us, we were both close to the line as I recall. I wanted to deal Beasley for Myles Turner, but considered it a close call because of Turner's injury issues. You were against doing that deal because of Turner's injury issues.

For me, another season missing the vast majority of games and ending was the tipping point. Even worse that he ended the season with a foot injury, which is high problematic, especially for a 240-pound big. I actually think it would be reckless to give up value to get him. Looks like your tipping point was what you perceive as Beasley's reduced trade value. In my view, Beasley's trade value is as high now as it was last season if not higher. Last Fall, Beasley had just come out of prison and I suspect there were some concerns around the League about his character. I think enough time has passed without incident to put those concerns to rest. Moreover, although Beasley had a bit of a down season, he still hit nearly 38% of his threes and he showed excellent durability playing in 79 games. He's a bona fide top-tier 3-point shooter with a career 38.6% three-point percentage. And unlike many 3-point specialists, Beasley is a terrific athlete who can run out on the break and finish above the rim. He's also an excellent rebounder and still young at age 25. In a League that values 3-point shooting, Beasley has significant trade value on that basis alone. Beasley's athleticism, rebounding, durability, youth and team-friendly contract add to that value.

I'm already on record that we should look to trade Beasley for a big and pass the 6th-man torch to Nowell. But I think his value is such that the Wolves need to be sure they get an adequate return for him in any trade. And in my view, a key part of getting value is getting a player or players in return who we can expect to be on the court contributing the vast majority of the season. Myles Turner is a walking red flag when it comes to counting on him to play. I'd be willing to risk a free-agent contract on an injury red-flag player like Nurkic, but I wouldn't risk giving up a valuable player/trade asset for an red-flag player like Turner. The Wolves are not in a position where they have to roll the dice. This is a solid, young team that just won 46 games and took the #2 seed to 6 games in the 1st round of the playoffs. We have Beasley and three second-round picks that we can and should put in play for possible trades this offseason. We have the ##19 and 40 picks in what appears to be a very deep draft with two additional 2nd-round picks beyond that. And we will have around $20M in space under the luxury tax with all of our salary cap exceptions available. This is no time for high-risk maneuvers or hale Mary passes. Myles Turner is clearly a high-risk target. I say we should stay away.

I'd also be content to keep Beasley. I just see more margin in trading him for the right player with Nowell ready to step in.

Excellent post Lip I agree with everything you said here. I think it's worth keeping in mind is every move comes with what the Dunc'd on guys say (or they did when I listed to them) opportunity cost. Acquiring Turner or Nurkic or whoever that can't stay healthy or doesn't work out comes with a cost of who could we have gotten instead. For example resigning Juancho the money that he got and what needed up being a 2 year deal wasn't what was bad it was that we could have maybe signed someone more useful. Most of the players I look at adding this offseason I could see paths of having a bit of buyer's remorse on them. I just don't see a player where I say THAT is the guy. There are player I like and MAYBE could be a piece to this roster but most of them are upgrades or guys with some level of potential. That's not actually a terrible thing because there might be a guy that improves and becomes at last the solid starter this team needs.

I agree completely, Monster. As you noted, there is opportunity cost in signing a free agent who gets hurt because that money (e.g., MLE) could have been spent on someone else. The opportunity cost is less than using up salary space AND giving up a valuable asset like Beasley, but it's still an important thing to consider when thinking about a guy like Nurkic who would likely cost the full MLE and who can't seem to stay healthy. I'm in the same place as you in that I don't see THAT guy realistically available who I'd be really excited to add. I think you nailed it saying it's not a bad thing to simply focus on bringing in a solid start at a position of need.