Welcome Back KG
- Coolbreeze44
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Not having Thad is a silver lining. Good hombre, below average power forward.
- Camden [enjin:6601484]
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Flip's been fleeced in every trade he's done since the Love deal.
Brewer - Daniels and a 2nd
Williams - Neal and a 2nd
Future 1st - Payne
Young - Garnett
What the fuck are we doing?
Brewer - Daniels and a 2nd
Williams - Neal and a 2nd
Future 1st - Payne
Young - Garnett
What the fuck are we doing?
- Coolbreeze44
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Camden wrote:Flip's been fleeced in every trade he's done since the Love deal.
Brewer - Daniels and a 2nd
Williams - Neal and a 2nd
Future 1st - Payne
Young - Garnett
What the fuck are we doing?
Still have hope on the Payne deal, but see what you mean.
- AbeVigodaLive
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thedoper wrote:CoolBreeze44 wrote:Just can't believe that this is the only deal we did today. It's pure comedy.
Flip is investing in mentorship. He is going to draft another big likely and wants KG to be what McHale was for him. A skilled big with an array of moves that will pass that on. I understand your aversion to KGs antics. But if he took that teaching role seriously, it will be an asset.
10 - 20 years ago, I bet there were a lot of "But McHale will be a great teacher for the big guys on the block."
Either you have the skill and desire or you don't. A guy twice their age barking at them isn't going to make a dent with a lot of millionaires just out of their teenage years.
- alexftbl8181 [enjin:6648741]
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Camden wrote:Flip's been fleeced in every trade he's done since the Love deal.
Brewer - Daniels and a 2nd
Williams - Neal and a 2nd
Future 1st - Payne
Young - Garnett
What the fuck are we doing?
I don't understand what the plan is. You can't say they are in full rebuild mode with the moves they've made, yet they have only 10 wins. Outside of next years lottery pick, they don't really have a bunch of picks compared to other rebuilding teams, and the players they have now aren't really worth anything. Getting Wiggins is great, but as the Wolves have shown time and time again, they suck ass at surrounding a superstar.
- Camden [enjin:6601484]
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alexftbl8181 wrote:Camden wrote:Flip's been fleeced in every trade he's done since the Love deal.
Brewer - Daniels and a 2nd
Williams - Neal and a 2nd
Future 1st - Payne
Young - Garnett
What the fuck are we doing?
I don't understand what the plan is. You can't say they are in full rebuild mode with the moves they've made, yet they have only 10 wins. Outside of next years lottery pick, they don't really have a bunch of picks compared to other rebuilding teams, and the players they have now aren't really worth anything. Getting Wiggins is great, but as the Wolves have shown time and time again, they suck ass at surrounding a superstar.
We're doing it again.
- longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]
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It looks to me like the board is about 80-20 against the deal...I'm only seeing Tim. Doper and me on board with it, and not as passionately as the objectors. Did I miss any other proponents of this deal?
I'm generally on board. As I have said before, I see this deal more about subtraction than addition. I have been consistent from the start in saying that Thad isn't my idea of a prototypical PF...well, not even a halfway decent one. I value rebounding and defense first in a PF, with scoring ranking behind those attributes. And we were never going to get defense or rebounding from Thad. It's odd to say that we have significantly upgraded rebounding and defense by swapping a 26 year old for a 38 year old, but we have...that's about all you need to know about Thad Young. He's a likable guy so I wish him luck in Brooklyn, but if he plays significant minutes for the Nets, I expect their winning percentage to be about the same that Thad has put up in his career to date.
The only reason I'm not completely on board with this deal is my personal dislike for Garnett...it rivals cool's. While I cheered for him and admired the intensity of his game while he was here, I often had to do it while plugging my nose...just knew a little too much about him. It's kind of sad that the two greatest players in Wolves history also happened to be the two I detested the most. Why am I willing to take Garnett back, when I wouldn't be so pleased with taking Love back? Easy...Garnett makes his teams better, while Love (perhaps like Thad) does not.
The biggest downside for me about this deal is that tickets on the street just got much more expensive...
I'm generally on board. As I have said before, I see this deal more about subtraction than addition. I have been consistent from the start in saying that Thad isn't my idea of a prototypical PF...well, not even a halfway decent one. I value rebounding and defense first in a PF, with scoring ranking behind those attributes. And we were never going to get defense or rebounding from Thad. It's odd to say that we have significantly upgraded rebounding and defense by swapping a 26 year old for a 38 year old, but we have...that's about all you need to know about Thad Young. He's a likable guy so I wish him luck in Brooklyn, but if he plays significant minutes for the Nets, I expect their winning percentage to be about the same that Thad has put up in his career to date.
The only reason I'm not completely on board with this deal is my personal dislike for Garnett...it rivals cool's. While I cheered for him and admired the intensity of his game while he was here, I often had to do it while plugging my nose...just knew a little too much about him. It's kind of sad that the two greatest players in Wolves history also happened to be the two I detested the most. Why am I willing to take Garnett back, when I wouldn't be so pleased with taking Love back? Easy...Garnett makes his teams better, while Love (perhaps like Thad) does not.
The biggest downside for me about this deal is that tickets on the street just got much more expensive...
- Q12543 [enjin:6621299]
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Re: Welcome Back KG
alexftbl8181 wrote:Camden wrote:Flip's been fleeced in every trade he's done since the Love deal.
Brewer - Daniels and a 2nd
Williams - Neal and a 2nd
Future 1st - Payne
Young - Garnett
What the fuck are we doing?
I don't understand what the plan is. You can't say they are in full rebuild mode with the moves they've made, yet they have only 10 wins. Outside of next years lottery pick, they don't really have a bunch of picks compared to other rebuilding teams, and the players they have now aren't really worth anything. Getting Wiggins is great, but as the Wolves have shown time and time again, they suck ass at surrounding a superstar.
What do you mean? We're surrounding KG with Rubio, Wiggins, Pekovic, and Martin. Flip FINALLY got KG the players he needed. Now we sign him up for two more years and that 8th seed is within our grasp!
- alexftbl8181 [enjin:6648741]
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Camden wrote:alexftbl8181 wrote:Camden wrote:Flip's been fleeced in every trade he's done since the Love deal.
Brewer - Daniels and a 2nd
Williams - Neal and a 2nd
Future 1st - Payne
Young - Garnett
What the fuck are we doing?
I don't understand what the plan is. You can't say they are in full rebuild mode with the moves they've made, yet they have only 10 wins. Outside of next years lottery pick, they don't really have a bunch of picks compared to other rebuilding teams, and the players they have now aren't really worth anything. Getting Wiggins is great, but as the Wolves have shown time and time again, they suck ass at surrounding a superstar.
We're doing it again.
Can't wait for the headlines in 5 years saying how Wiggins is overrated because he can't carry a team with a 45 year old KG and a 35 year old Kevin Martin to the playoffs
Re: Welcome Back KG
AbeVigodaLive wrote:thedoper wrote:CoolBreeze44 wrote:Just can't believe that this is the only deal we did today. It's pure comedy.
Flip is investing in mentorship. He is going to draft another big likely and wants KG to be what McHale was for him. A skilled big with an array of moves that will pass that on. I understand your aversion to KGs antics. But if he took that teaching role seriously, it will be an asset.
10 - 20 years ago, I bet there were a lot of "But McHale will be a great teacher for the big guys on the block."
Either you have the skill and desire or you don't. A guy twice their age barking at them isn't going to make a dent with a lot of millionaires just out of their teenage years.
McHale was great for KG's game. Skill and desire are absolutely factors, but to ignore mentorship and teaching is insane. You saw it in KG's game, after working with McHale he started adding Mchale's drop-step and up and under moves. Great footwork and defensive positioning for a big takes practice and teaching. But more generally, everyone great at anything had a mentor and a teacher. Your statement is far too pessimistic. These teenage millionaires may presumably want to become teenage billionaires no?