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CoolBreeze44 wrote:We need the best basketball player period. We are in no position to draft for need.


That's rather easy to say. Didn't we do that with derrick Williams?
Imo, We need the BPA at SG, sf, or Pf.
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I'm looking for SF/PF.

I believe Wiggins needs to stay at SG. Seems like the best spot for him. LaVine could potentially be another option at SG. And we have Martin still. That spot seems good to me.

SF is a lot thinner than once believed. Muhammad has earned a regular bulk of minutes. Budinger's a warm body that gives inconsistent production; not a factor in who we draft. Robinson III is still an unknown even though I like him. And with Muhammad, he's been good as a starter, but our identity could be one of defense if we had another two-way guy here. That'd leave Muhammad as a sixth man type that can focus on what he does best: get buckets and crash the glass. He's shown that he can be exceptional in that role.

Rubio is the guy at PG. All we need is a capable backup behind him and we may have one in Lorenzo. If not, we can keep grooming LaVine here too. At worst, we sign another vet who needs to prove he's still got it like Mo this past off-season.

We have Dieng and Pekovic at center. They get the job done at center and while I'm fine with experimenting Dieng at PF against the matchups that call for it, we could still use a traditional 4. (Towns would be a good fit)

So, to me, we're okay/decent at PG/SG/C. It's SF and PF that are the problem positions, so to speak.
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So here's a question.....would anyone be opposed to trading the pick for an established player assuming it's appropriate value? My gut is telling me that might happen. It's looking more and more like Wiggins is legit and Bennett isn't going to work out. With so many young guys currently on the roster, maybe the right move might be to trade for a "known" player that fits our needs vs. roll the dice we don't get another Anthony Bennett/Derrick Williams/Wes Johnson/Johny Flynn etc.
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Carlos Danger wrote:So here's a question.....would anyone be opposed to trading the pick for an established player assuming it's appropriate value? My gut is telling me that might happen. It's looking more and more like Wiggins is legit and Bennett isn't going to work out. With so many young guys currently on the roster, maybe the right move might be to trade for a "known" player that fits our needs vs. roll the dice we don't get another Anthony Bennett/Derrick Williams/Wes Johnson/Johny Flynn etc.


Not opposed, but seems tough to find the right deal. The "appropriate value" piece is the hard part. If the player is really good, why in the world would the team want to trade him unless he was disgruntled or about this hit free agency (e.g. Kevin Love)? I guess if there is another Sixers-type team out there looking to tear things down to the studs. In that case, the Pelicans landed Jrue Holiday in exchange for Nerlens Noel (the 6th pick in the draft). Now we will probably be picking higher than sixth, so is there a young-ish vet that is better than Holiday that could be had? I'm not so sure....
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Carlos Danger wrote:So here's a question.....would anyone be opposed to trading the pick for an established player assuming it's appropriate value? My gut is telling me that might happen. It's looking more and more like Wiggins is legit and Bennett isn't going to work out. With so many young guys currently on the roster, maybe the right move might be to trade for a "known" player that fits our needs vs. roll the dice we don't get another Anthony Bennett/Derrick Williams/Wes Johnson/Johny Flynn etc.


I'd rather get another young potential star to groom with the core we already have. I like our established players in Rubio, Pekovic, Martin and Young. I could make an argument that Dieng is in that group too considering his consistent production every night. With that said, if we could get a bonafide young guy to groom with Wiggins and crew, that'd be best. Okafor, Johnson, Towns, Russell, Mudiay is that first tier to me. So after that, it kind of falls off.

What young All-Star is available and under contract? That might kill the debate right there. I mean, I'd deal the pick for Bradley Beal maybe, but that trade is highly unlikely to happen anyway. It'd be one of those situations where the stars aren't aligned. There isn't a James Harden, Kevin Love trying to get out of their current situation.

Maybe in a couple years, though... Anthony Davis must hate losing in New Orleans...
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I'm mostly curious to hear if people are open to trading. Cleveland comes to mind. They've been trading away picks to get players they want (K. Love & Mozgov). Generally speaking, I prefer to keep picks. But I've been putting myself in Flip's shoes and wondering if he'll try to deal instead to lower the risk. Especially since we have a bunch of young guys already. If we whiff on this upcoming pick...I'm not sure I can keep being a fan - lol.

A couple of you have brought up K. Love. I wonder if Cleveland extends K.Love does Tristan Thompson decide he wants out? I'm not saying Thompson is "appropriate value" for our pick. But I like that guy...
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How about one of Utah's bigs? If we don't get a top 5 pick, one of those guys could be a nice get.
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CoolBreeze44 wrote:How about one of Utah's bigs? If we don't get a top 5 pick, one of those guys could be a nice get.


Then the question is: would you rather have Enes Kanter or one of Montrezl Harrell, Myles Turner, Willie Cauley-Stein, Hezonja, etc.

I don't know if I'd roll the dice like that on Kanter, personally.
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Camden wrote:
CoolBreeze44 wrote:How about one of Utah's bigs? If we don't get a top 5 pick, one of those guys could be a nice get.


Then the question is: would you rather have Enes Kanter or one of Montrezl Harrell, Myles Turner, Willie Cauley-Stein, Hezonja, etc.

I don't know if I'd roll the dice like that on Kanter, personally.



Yeah, I didn't think of Utah, that's actually a team that might be willing to deal. To me Gobert would be the guy I'd want, which is a little crazy since he was drafted after Dieng, but he is a defensive game-changer that is still very young. I don't see any way why they would trade him when he is on a super cheap rookie deal and is without question their best defensive player.

The other guy I'd potentially be interested in is Favors. He rebounds, scores fairly efficiently, and has good size. And he's always played the PF (unlike Dieng), so there would be no adjustment for him. I've never been a fan of his laid-back demeanor - doesn't seem very hard-nosed to me - but he's so gifted that he can go 85% and still put up 15 and 10 on any given night. Plus he is still only 23.

Pek-Favors-Dieng-Bjelica....Perhaps not a dominant frontcourt, but there is some decent size and skill there.
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Utah's not trading Favors for a pick outside the top-five.
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