Wolves lose to Hawks GDT

[worldK]

Need to get Wiggy more involved again early. He spent way too much time on the weakside for my tatse. The offense can run through Pek anytime and get the same results. I say get Andrew going and then punch them in the mouth with Pek later.

Totally agree. Wiggins spent way to much time 50 feet from the ball. I hope he can become more comfortable with the ball. I'd like to see him initiate the offense a lot more. He shows flashes of being able to get to the basket rather easily. It's just not consistent enough. Man, he should live at the line.

Im down with this as well. Wiggins went straight to the hole twice late in the game today. He is so athletic that he can get off a good shot everytime he is near the basket. Wait til he gets stronger and improves his body then we will see a jump in his ft attempts.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

A few thoughts....

- Hawks are really good. It's amazing how easy the game is when you can shoot and pass the ball. We close in on them and - boom! - two 3 pointers in a row to put the game away.

- Millsap modernized his game in a way Young should have started doing a few years ago. He was a small-ish PF that used to make his living closer to the hoop. Now 20% of his shots come from beyond the arc, yet he can still put it on the floor when he has to. I think if Young really worked at it, he could be a decent 3-point shooter as well.

- Young and Williams pretty much carried us offensively, but the defense was as horrific as usual. Wiggins wasn't much of a factor again on either end. We really need him to get back on track.

- Troy Daniels was a disaster at PG. I really hope we go find a PG to replace Rad's 10-day contract. It's just unspeakably bad when anyone other than Williams is running the point.

- While I love the idea of a Pek-Dieng pairing, the Hawks aren't necessarily the ideal team to try it against in that they have a smaller, quick front line that can all shoot and dribble. But against teams with a more traditional and bigger C-PF combination, it makes a lot of sense.

- Moral victory in that the Hawks had to play their starters until the end.

[longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]]

I didn't see much of the game, but every time I looked, one of our PG's was getting beat off the dribble again. Or on the flip side, one of our PGs was being completely ineffective at penetrating. The PG gap between us and our opponents makes it nearly impossible to be competitive...and who knows how long Rubio will be out.

At least Thad Young continued his offensive resurgence...he looks much more like the Thad Young of last year. And he's much more comfortable rebounding the basketball while playing SF than PF. Unfortunately, he has shown that he can't defend PFs or SFs, but Flip knew that when he traded a pick for him. But if Thad continues to score like he has the past five games, I will defend Flip's trading for him, even if he struggles on the boards and on defense.

[AbeVigodaLive]

What an awful game from Thad. So bad.

Fuck yourself

I didn't know we had one of those types of boards. You jumped on Thad Young super early in THIS game. And since a game is 48 minutes, he ended up with a decent (statistical) game. And your response to getting called out on it is "fuck yourself"?

Meh.

Has Young's recent uptick at least ended the logic that "Thad Young is the worst player in the history of the league's 2nd worst franchise" right? The team is bad. It's terrible. Fucking horrible. Some of this is because of injuries. Some just because the talent isn't there.

Thad Young is part of the reason the Wolves suck. But, he's not the only reason. There is A LOT of blame to go around. His pariah status on this forum has reached absurd levels at this point.


[Note: Young seems to be a more willing passer. Is he becoming more comfortable in his role, gaining comfort with his teammates? In the first 29 games, he reached 5 assists only one time. In the last 14 games, he's reached at least 5 assists 6 times.]

[Coolbreeze44]

Abe, Fuck Yourself

[mjs34]

What an awful game from Thad. So bad.

Fuck yourself

I didn't know we had one of those types of boards. You jumped on Thad Young super early in THIS game. And since a game is 48 minutes, he ended up with a decent (statistical) game. And your response to getting called out on it is "fuck yourself"?

Meh.

Has Young's recent uptick at least ended the logic that "Thad Young is the worst player in the history of the league's 2nd worst franchise" right? The team is bad. It's terrible. Fucking horrible. Some of this is because of injuries. Some just because the talent isn't there.

Thad Young is part of the reason the Wolves suck. But, he's not the only reason. There is A LOT of blame to go around. His pariah status on this forum has reached absurd levels at this point.


[Note: Young seems to be a more willing passer. Is he becoming more comfortable in his role, gaining comfort with his teammates? In the first 29 games, he reached 5 assists only one time. In the last 14 games, he's reached at least 5 assists 6 times.]

This coming from the guy who posted on here a little more than a week ago whining about other posters skewing his comments. I guess I should expect this from someone who put words in my mouth and then later made a joke about those same words. Starting to see a pattern here Abe.

Is jumping "on Thad Young super early in This game" similar to jumping on Andrew Wiggins super early in his rookie year?

Btw, how does "since a game is 48 minutes, he ended up with a decent (statistical) game" make any sense. One has nothing to do with the other. He could have maintained the same level of play, or even gotten worse over the course of the 48 minutes.

[AbeVigodaLive]

What an awful game from Thad. So bad.

Fuck yourself

I didn't know we had one of those types of boards. You jumped on Thad Young super early in THIS game. And since a game is 48 minutes, he ended up with a decent (statistical) game. And your response to getting called out on it is "fuck yourself"?

Meh.

Has Young's recent uptick at least ended the logic that "Thad Young is the worst player in the history of the league's 2nd worst franchise" right? The team is bad. It's terrible. Fucking horrible. Some of this is because of injuries. Some just because the talent isn't there.

Thad Young is part of the reason the Wolves suck. But, he's not the only reason. There is A LOT of blame to go around. His pariah status on this forum has reached absurd levels at this point.


[Note: Young seems to be a more willing passer. Is he becoming more comfortable in his role, gaining comfort with his teammates? In the first 29 games, he reached 5 assists only one time. In the last 14 games, he's reached at least 5 assists 6 times.]

This coming from the guy who posted on here a little more than a week ago whining about other posters skewing his comments. I guess I should expect this from someone who put words in my mouth and then later made a joke about those same words. Starting to see a pattern here Abe.

Is jumping "on Thad Young super early in This game" similar to jumping on Andrew Wiggins super early in his rookie year?


Btw, how does "since a game is 48 minutes, he ended up with a decent (statistical) game" make any sense. One has nothing to do with the other. He could have maintained the same level of play, or even gotten worse over the course of the 48 minutes.

The (statistical) addition was meant to denote that "good" or "bad" based only on stats can be dicey. Young may have given up 83 points defensively, so saying he played a great game only based on stats can be deceiving. I was actually trying to be extra super duper cautious by adding the "statistical" disclaimer. Basically, I was walking on eggshells. Interestingly, I still get called on it...

As for the Wiggins stuff... for the 2,893th time, I simply stated he was playing mediocre or poor basketball at the time. There is NOTHING wrong with that. He's played MUCH much better since. That's been awesome. But I never said he couldn't improve. Nobody did. We simply said he was playing poorly and we hope he gets better. Meh. No big deal.

Look. Right now I'm being called to task for ripping another poster for saying "Fuck you" to another poster? Seriously? That's not what this forum has ever been about. I know we don't have real mods or anything but that's a slippery slope if we go that route. Or, if we keep this "Wiggins thread nonsense" alive and keep throwing it back and forth in people's faces... and skew original statement.s. This forum is on a dicey decline right now. And you know what? It's not because of me or q. Honestly. Go back and read our posts. We don't call people names. I think we both try to show respect to other posters.

Our initial comments about Wiggins have been blown entirely out of proportion. Ripping Thad Young has been blown entirely out of proportion. And Cool was called on it and responded in a very bad way. (I think he was being facetious in saying "fuck you" to me... but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt with that one.)

[Coolbreeze44]

My "fuck yourself" comment came after the 2nd, not first, reference by this poster. I will take shit to a certain extent, but I AM going to react if you persist. I'm also going to react if you use 36 minutes of basketball to justify an argument that you've been foolishly on someone's jock since the day he signed.

[AbeVigodaLive]

My "fuck yourself" comment came after the 2nd, not first, reference by this poster. I will take shit to a certain extent, but I AM going to react if you persist. I'm also going to react if you use 36 minutes of basketball to justify an argument that you've been foolishly on someone's jock since the day he signed.

Wait. I was on Thad Young's jock? Link please.

Actually, I was one of the ones who cautioned people that he wasn't the defensive upgrade at PF that others claimed he'd be. And I posted stats to indicate this...



[Note: I am in the camp that Thad Young has been a disappointment. Whether he's just a bad fit, or being asked to do things he's not capable of doing, or simply dogging it to various degrees this season... he has been inconsistent. I'm also in the camp that he's not nearly as bad as some people have made him out to be. He's not a terrible basketball player in every way... we can give him credit for doing some things while ripping him for his deficiencies in other areas.]

[thedoper]

My negative reactions to Thad is value based. He is the 2nd highest paid player on the team, and by that measure moves from a disappointment to a disaster. He also came in claiming to be the veteran presence this team needs. I began getting worried when I heard his comments about wanting to get paid when Rubio signed his extension. I agree that he does some good things on the court, but if he opts in next year that complicates the cap even if they ease in the TV deal early. I have alot of ire for him simply based on the fact that he is mediocre 4, and should be a bench player on a good team. He is being paid as a starter and therefore the scrutiny on him and his game should be the level of a starter.