Far-Fetched Hypothetical Trade Thread: Part Deux - 2014-15 Edition

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TRKO wrote:
First Team:
C- Greg Monroe
PF- Taj Gibson
SF- Anthony Wiggins
SG- D'Angelo Russell
PG- Ricky Rubio

Second Team:
C- Gorgui Deng
PF- Kevin Garnett
SF- Shabazz Muhammed
SG- Anthony Morrow
PG- Zach LaVine

Remaining Five:
Anthony Bennett
Lorenzo Brown
Robbie Hummel
Glen Robinson III
Troy Daniels

Roster Analysis:
Four of our starting five will be 25 years old, or younger. Let those four grow together. Shabazz Muhammed would be the 6th man, a role I think he would be great in. Russell would move to point if Rubio got hurt. PG depth isn't the best. This is a good young roster.

Not bad on the trades, but I'm 100% against Wiggins starting at SF. Absolutely not. You can write Rubio & Wiggins in permanent marker as the starting back court for the next 4+ years at least.

If the Wolves are going to draft a wing it should definitely be someone bigger that can play SF.
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thegrey08 wrote:
TRKO wrote:
First Team:
C- Greg Monroe
PF- Taj Gibson
SF- Anthony Wiggins
SG- D'Angelo Russell
PG- Ricky Rubio

Second Team:
C- Gorgui Deng
PF- Kevin Garnett
SF- Shabazz Muhammed
SG- Anthony Morrow
PG- Zach LaVine

Remaining Five:
Anthony Bennett
Lorenzo Brown
Robbie Hummel
Glen Robinson III
Troy Daniels

Roster Analysis:
Four of our starting five will be 25 years old, or younger. Let those four grow together. Shabazz Muhammed would be the 6th man, a role I think he would be great in. Russell would move to point if Rubio got hurt. PG depth isn't the best. This is a good young roster.

Not bad on the trades, but I'm 100% against Wiggins starting at SF. Absolutely not. You can write Rubio & Wiggins in permanent marker as the starting back court for the next 4+ years at least.

If the Wolves are going to draft a wing it should definitely be someone bigger that can play SF.

I think Wiggins will be fine at SF. He will fill out as he ages.
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TRKO wrote:
I think Wiggins will be fine at SF. He will fill out as he ages.

We don't want "fine". We want him in the position he possess the biggest matchup problem. If he is paired with bigger SFs it makes that duo VERY hard to defend.
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TheGrey08 wrote:
TRKO wrote:
I think Wiggins will be fine at SF. He will fill out as he ages.

We don't want "fine". We want him in the position he possess the biggest matchup problem. If he is paired with bigger SFs it makes that duo VERY hard to defend.


Yep. This is my thinking as well. Even when Wiggins fills out a little more, that makes him that much more of a problem for opposing SGs to defend. It also means he isn't given the task of exerting all his energy defending SFs bigger than him. Guys that he has no business banging with in the post (LeBron, Melo, J.Green, Deng, etc.)
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Wiggins is PLENTY big and strong enough to play SF. Have you watched how well he finishes in traffic? How can anyone see how he finishes after contact against SFs and PFs and still conclude he's not strong enough for the SF position? And that's at age 19. It's an absolute certainty he's going to get heavier and stronger over the next few years. And his length is on the long side of the NBA SF spectrum. On the flip side, his ball-handling is not up to elite SG standards - not even close. He can play there, but if he's going to be an elite NBA player, his clear natural and best position is SF.
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lipoli390 wrote:Wiggins is PLENTY big and strong enough to play SF. Have you watched how well he finishes in traffic? How can anyone see how he finishes after contact against SFs and PFs and still conclude he's not strong enough for the SF position? And that's at age 19. It's an absolute certainty he's going to get heavier and stronger over the next few years. And his length is on the long side of the NBA SF spectrum. On the flip side, his ball-handling is not up to elite SG standards - not even close. He can play there, but if he's going to be an elite NBA player, his clear natural and best position is SF.


Have you realized his best minutes have come at SG and it's not even close? Wiggins is strong, but he still gets muscled against bigger, thicker SFs. The last four games have been a good example of this. LeBron, Parsons, Deng and Green all gave him a handful on defense (though he did his best in stepping up). Also, his post game was taken away from him due to the larger wing player guarding him.

On the other hand, when he's matched up against the Arron Afflalos/Tony Allens/Monta Ellis of the league, he's simply too much for them to handle. I look to keep him there, add a two-way SF with thickness and let our wings be the matchup nightmare for the opposition.
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camden0916 wrote:
lipoli390 wrote:Wiggins is PLENTY big and strong enough to play SF. Have you watched how well he finishes in traffic? How can anyone see how he finishes after contact against SFs and PFs and still conclude he's not strong enough for the SF position? And that's at age 19. It's an absolute certainty he's going to get heavier and stronger over the next few years. And his length is on the long side of the NBA SF spectrum. On the flip side, his ball-handling is not up to elite SG standards - not even close. He can play there, but if he's going to be an elite NBA player, his clear natural and best position is SF.


Have you realized his best minutes have come at SG and it's not even close? Wiggins is strong, but he still gets muscled against bigger, thicker SFs. The last four games have been a good example of this. LeBron, Parsons, Deng and Green all gave him a handful on defense (though he did his best in stepping up). Also, his post game was taken away from him due to the larger wing player guarding him.

On the other hand, when he's matched up against the Arron Afflalos/Tony Allens/Monta Ellis of the league, he's simply too much for them to handle. I look to keep him there, add a two-way SF with thickness and let our wings be the matchup nightmare for the opposition.

He is also 19 and physically isn't on those guys level yet. He is still a kid. I'm not against him at SG. I think he can handle both spots and do well at both.
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Camden wrote:
lipoli390 wrote:Wiggins is PLENTY big and strong enough to play SF. Have you watched how well he finishes in traffic? How can anyone see how he finishes after contact against SFs and PFs and still conclude he's not strong enough for the SF position? And that's at age 19. It's an absolute certainty he's going to get heavier and stronger over the next few years. And his length is on the long side of the NBA SF spectrum. On the flip side, his ball-handling is not up to elite SG standards - not even close. He can play there, but if he's going to be an elite NBA player, his clear natural and best position is SF.


Have you realized his best minutes have come at SG and it's not even close? Wiggins is strong, but he still gets muscled against bigger, thicker SFs. The last four games have been a good example of this. LeBron, Parsons, Deng and Green all gave him a handful on defense (though he did his best in stepping up). Also, his post game was taken away from him due to the larger wing player guarding him.

On the other hand, when he's matched up against the Arron Afflalos/Tony Allens/Monta Ellis of the league, he's simply too much for them to handle. I look to keep him there, add a two-way SF with thickness and let our wings be the matchup nightmare for the opposition.

Well said and you absolutely nailed it with the 2nd paragraph.

Also, no one ever said he wasn't strong enough to play SF. That's not it at all. It's about HIM being a match up nightmare. People also need to lay off his ball handling. He does pretty damn good in that department even with his lack of physical strength at this age. When he puts on a good 20 pounds he's going to be a nightmare for opposing 2s to guard.
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TRKO wrote:
He is also 19 and physically isn't on those guys level yet. He is still a kid. I'm not against him at SG. I think he can handle both spots and do well at both.

If he can play both spots well, why wouldn't we want him at the spot that poses the biggest problem for the opposing team?
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thegrey08 wrote:
TRKO wrote:
He is also 19 and physically isn't on those guys level yet. He is still a kid. I'm not against him at SG. I think he can handle both spots and do well at both.

If he can play both spots well, why wouldn't we want him at the spot that poses the biggest problem for the opposing team?

Once his body fully matures it won't matter if he is playing SG or SF, he will be a handful. Playing him at SF has everything to do with Russell playing SG. Russell will be a great guy to combine with Wiggins.
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