Here are his Per 36 numbers from his College, career G-League, and career NBA minutes.
College (238 career minutes):
12.5 PPG/16.7 RPG/2.1 APG/.9 SPG/1.7 BPG/2.3 TO
.426 FG%/0% 3PT/,632 FT%
G-League (601 career minutes):
19.3 PPG/13.9 RPG/2.7 APG/2.0 SPG/1.3 BPG/5.1 TO
.527/.294/.563
NBA (115 career minutes):
11.3 PPG/10 RPG/1.6 APG/2.8 SPG/.6 BPG/4.7 TO
.519/0/.667
Physicals:
6'9" in shoes; 7'1" wingspan; 8'10" standing reach
Jarred Vanderbilt Hope and Change Thread
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Q12543 [enjin:6621299]
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Re: Jarred Vanderbilt Hope and Change Thread
I think he'll get a lot of G-League time to continue improving his game...
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Q12543 [enjin:6621299]
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Re: Jarred Vanderbilt Hope and Change Thread
- Not a ton to go off of here based on limited minutes.
- He can flat-out rebound the ball. That is probably his most dependable skill.
- He gets deflections thanks to his activity and long wingspan.
- He makes VERY questionable decisions as a ball handler and passer. So although the skill is there to make some plays with the ball in his hands, the results are generally poor.
- He can't really shoot yet, although he started showing some improvement on this front in the G-League.
- His best role on an NBA team should be similar to a power forward version of Josh Okogie: Minimize his ball handling and scoring responsibilities, but ask him to focus on rebounding, defending, running the floor and getting into the dunker's spot.
- His lack of shooting would make him anathema to a lot of NBA teams as a PF since most teams' "dirty work" guy is often their Center. In our case, Vanderbilt can play the part of dirty-work defender and rim runner without competing for space with the likes of KAT or even Naz Reid, both of whom can operate as floor spacers and passers from the perimeter.
- He can flat-out rebound the ball. That is probably his most dependable skill.
- He gets deflections thanks to his activity and long wingspan.
- He makes VERY questionable decisions as a ball handler and passer. So although the skill is there to make some plays with the ball in his hands, the results are generally poor.
- He can't really shoot yet, although he started showing some improvement on this front in the G-League.
- His best role on an NBA team should be similar to a power forward version of Josh Okogie: Minimize his ball handling and scoring responsibilities, but ask him to focus on rebounding, defending, running the floor and getting into the dunker's spot.
- His lack of shooting would make him anathema to a lot of NBA teams as a PF since most teams' "dirty work" guy is often their Center. In our case, Vanderbilt can play the part of dirty-work defender and rim runner without competing for space with the likes of KAT or even Naz Reid, both of whom can operate as floor spacers and passers from the perimeter.
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Q12543 [enjin:6621299]
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Re: Jarred Vanderbilt Hope and Change Thread
60WinTim wrote:I think he'll get a lot of G-League time to continue improving his game...
Tim, this is the HOPE AND CHANGE thread. Of all people, you should be touting his chances for the All-NBA Defensive Team!!!
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Camden [enjin:6601484]
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Re: Jarred Vanderbilt Hope and Change Thread
I hope he can get to 230-240 pounds without losing fluidity and explosiveness.
Re: Jarred Vanderbilt Hope and Change Thread
Q12543 wrote:60WinTim wrote:I think he'll get a lot of G-League time to continue improving his game...
Tim, this is the HOPE AND CHANGE thread. Of all people, you should be touting his chances for the All-NBA Defensive Team!!!
I only deal with realistic scenarios... ;-)
Assuming everyone is healthy, I doubt Jarred will even dress for games. But you know I will be rooting for him when his opportunity does arrive!
Re: Jarred Vanderbilt Hope and Change Thread
Jarred Vanderbilt is without a
doubt, a Q12543 guy.
Looking at his body of work, its clear he is a high level rebounder. He looks the part of a modern versatile defender. His stats points to it although he hasnt play meaningful nba minutes. He is also a turnover machine who can't stretch the floor.
That said, Q is selling me on vanderbilt. He has physical similarities to a Jerami Grant. If he can develop his outside shot and his defense translate to the nba level. We might have something here.
doubt, a Q12543 guy.
Looking at his body of work, its clear he is a high level rebounder. He looks the part of a modern versatile defender. His stats points to it although he hasnt play meaningful nba minutes. He is also a turnover machine who can't stretch the floor.
That said, Q is selling me on vanderbilt. He has physical similarities to a Jerami Grant. If he can develop his outside shot and his defense translate to the nba level. We might have something here.
Re: Jarred Vanderbilt Hope and Change Thread
Extrapolations are tough in any situation, this seems to follow that. He hardly played at any level it looks like. The G league minutes are probably the best data set for analysis. I don't know if he's going to see much playing time if he is turning the ball over almost five times with little to no usage.
Re: Jarred Vanderbilt Hope and Change Thread
Q - I've been waiting for you to start a thread devoted entirely to JV. What took you so long?? :)
I love guys coming out of college with really good rebounding stats for two reasons. First, it's is probably the most predictive stat for projecting from college to the NBA. Second, rebounding is almost always indicative of a high motor and a nose for the ball. I remember a season ticket holder event many years ago where McHale and KG were talking to us and I remember both of them saying that "rebounds don't come to you; you have to go get them." Vanderbilt was a tremendous rebounder in college, averaging 8 per game in only 17 minutes. Not surprisingly, his high-level rebounding continued throughout his past two seasons in the G-League where he averaged 10 per game this past season in nearly 27 minute per game. He's also a decent ball-handler with excellent size for the SF position and a very good ball-handler with decent size for the PF position.
But that's where the positives end for JV. He's an excellent rebounder with a nice hand handle and decent to terrific length, depending on what position he plays. Otherwise, he's been a consistently terrible shooter with a questionable decision-maker with the ball. He shot 42.6% from the field in college and took almost no shots from behind the arc. That's really bad for a SF/PF. He improved his 2-point shooting in the G-League, hitting 52.3% of his 11 FG attempts last season, but he hit only 26% of his limited 1.6 threes per game and only 61% of his 2.7 three-throw attempts. His FGs were primarily at the rim. So he's a poor shooter from everywhere on the floor. While we like to think of shooting as a skill that can improve in the NBA, history tells us that a player's shooting percentages rarely improve significantly from college to the NBA. JV is also also physically weak and frail with a history of injuries.
So I'm not expecting anything meaningful from Jarred Vanderbilt. In fact, I don't think he'll be on the roster a year from now. But I'd love to be pleasantly surprised. He's one of many talented high-upside young players on this team along with Culver, Okogie, Edwards and McDaniels. I guess you could include Naz and even JMac in that group. I'd be thrilled if just one of guys in this group emerged as an all-star caliber player over the next couple years. Obviously, Edwards far and away the most important one. But again, I'm not holding my breath. As for Jarred, his development will likely be stifled by the Rosas/Saunders "system," which leaves no room for players who aren't good 3-point shooters even if they make highly valuable contributions in other areas that the really good NBA organizations value. For his sake, he's probably better off with another organization that has a high caliber front office and an NBA-level head coach.
For more details, here's the draft analysis on Jarred from draft.net a couple years back:
Strengths: Is the most dominant rebounder in his draft class, pulling down 25% of all available rebounds during his brief career at Kentucky ... Averaged 18.5 rebounds per 40 minutes in college ... Handles the ball extremely well for a player his size (6-9, 218 pounds) ... Passes the ball very well, is able to thread the needle as well as make the easy pass ... Has very good court vision, sees all 9 other players at all times ... Plays with a lot of intensity and passion, motor is not an issue ... Is capable of impacting a game even without taking a shot ... Can defend multiple positions, is able to rotate quickly and can make long closeouts to take away jump shots ... Has a 7'1" wingspan and 6.34% body fat ... Vertical jump was measured at 39.5" at Kentucky's pro day (though many of the measurements seemed inflated) ... Possesses good strength and his upper body is NBA ready ...
Weaknesses: The biggest concern with with Vanderbilt is his inability to stay healthy. Struggled with foot injuries throughout his high school ... Has a history of ankle and leg injuries which limited him to only 14 games during his collegiate career ... Has been hesitant to play through any kind of pain, questions in regard to his toughness ... Shot mechanics are not broken, but need to be refined to improve his jumper ... Struggles to score from any of the three levels consistently ... Only shot 63% from the free throw line at Kentucky and 42.6% from the field ... Will occasionally try to force a pass into traffic ... Conditioning is an issue, although part of that is due to time missed due to injury ... Can play a little out of control early in games as he looks to find a rhythm. Legs are very thin, likely a factor in his leg injuries ... Struggled mightily as a scorer ...
Outlook: Vanderbilt is a prototypical point forward very similar to Lamar Odom. His ability to rebound at an incredibly high rate and then lead the break could have a drastic impact on his team and its offensive efficiency. He is capable of using his height to see over and around defenders while running his team's offense. If he is healthy, he will likely drastically outperform his draft position. However, there is significant risk in taking him due to the injury history. He could become a starter for a playoff team or play only 50 games in his career and neither would be overly surprising.
I love guys coming out of college with really good rebounding stats for two reasons. First, it's is probably the most predictive stat for projecting from college to the NBA. Second, rebounding is almost always indicative of a high motor and a nose for the ball. I remember a season ticket holder event many years ago where McHale and KG were talking to us and I remember both of them saying that "rebounds don't come to you; you have to go get them." Vanderbilt was a tremendous rebounder in college, averaging 8 per game in only 17 minutes. Not surprisingly, his high-level rebounding continued throughout his past two seasons in the G-League where he averaged 10 per game this past season in nearly 27 minute per game. He's also a decent ball-handler with excellent size for the SF position and a very good ball-handler with decent size for the PF position.
But that's where the positives end for JV. He's an excellent rebounder with a nice hand handle and decent to terrific length, depending on what position he plays. Otherwise, he's been a consistently terrible shooter with a questionable decision-maker with the ball. He shot 42.6% from the field in college and took almost no shots from behind the arc. That's really bad for a SF/PF. He improved his 2-point shooting in the G-League, hitting 52.3% of his 11 FG attempts last season, but he hit only 26% of his limited 1.6 threes per game and only 61% of his 2.7 three-throw attempts. His FGs were primarily at the rim. So he's a poor shooter from everywhere on the floor. While we like to think of shooting as a skill that can improve in the NBA, history tells us that a player's shooting percentages rarely improve significantly from college to the NBA. JV is also also physically weak and frail with a history of injuries.
So I'm not expecting anything meaningful from Jarred Vanderbilt. In fact, I don't think he'll be on the roster a year from now. But I'd love to be pleasantly surprised. He's one of many talented high-upside young players on this team along with Culver, Okogie, Edwards and McDaniels. I guess you could include Naz and even JMac in that group. I'd be thrilled if just one of guys in this group emerged as an all-star caliber player over the next couple years. Obviously, Edwards far and away the most important one. But again, I'm not holding my breath. As for Jarred, his development will likely be stifled by the Rosas/Saunders "system," which leaves no room for players who aren't good 3-point shooters even if they make highly valuable contributions in other areas that the really good NBA organizations value. For his sake, he's probably better off with another organization that has a high caliber front office and an NBA-level head coach.
For more details, here's the draft analysis on Jarred from draft.net a couple years back:
Strengths: Is the most dominant rebounder in his draft class, pulling down 25% of all available rebounds during his brief career at Kentucky ... Averaged 18.5 rebounds per 40 minutes in college ... Handles the ball extremely well for a player his size (6-9, 218 pounds) ... Passes the ball very well, is able to thread the needle as well as make the easy pass ... Has very good court vision, sees all 9 other players at all times ... Plays with a lot of intensity and passion, motor is not an issue ... Is capable of impacting a game even without taking a shot ... Can defend multiple positions, is able to rotate quickly and can make long closeouts to take away jump shots ... Has a 7'1" wingspan and 6.34% body fat ... Vertical jump was measured at 39.5" at Kentucky's pro day (though many of the measurements seemed inflated) ... Possesses good strength and his upper body is NBA ready ...
Weaknesses: The biggest concern with with Vanderbilt is his inability to stay healthy. Struggled with foot injuries throughout his high school ... Has a history of ankle and leg injuries which limited him to only 14 games during his collegiate career ... Has been hesitant to play through any kind of pain, questions in regard to his toughness ... Shot mechanics are not broken, but need to be refined to improve his jumper ... Struggles to score from any of the three levels consistently ... Only shot 63% from the free throw line at Kentucky and 42.6% from the field ... Will occasionally try to force a pass into traffic ... Conditioning is an issue, although part of that is due to time missed due to injury ... Can play a little out of control early in games as he looks to find a rhythm. Legs are very thin, likely a factor in his leg injuries ... Struggled mightily as a scorer ...
Outlook: Vanderbilt is a prototypical point forward very similar to Lamar Odom. His ability to rebound at an incredibly high rate and then lead the break could have a drastic impact on his team and its offensive efficiency. He is capable of using his height to see over and around defenders while running his team's offense. If he is healthy, he will likely drastically outperform his draft position. However, there is significant risk in taking him due to the injury history. He could become a starter for a playoff team or play only 50 games in his career and neither would be overly surprising.
Re: Jarred Vanderbilt Hope and Change Thread
"As for Jarred, his development will likely be stifled by the Rosas/Saunders "system," which leaves no room for players who aren't good 3-point shooters even if they make highly valuable contributions in other areas that the really good NBA organizations value. For his sake, he's probably better off with another organization that has a high caliber front office and an NBA-level head coach."
And yet this organization specifically traded for and has touted the guy as someone they really like and for their "program". Maybe they think they are miracle workers with his shot or maybe they like the theoretical versatility he can bring even without that skill. I think it's worth having my mind open a little bit to the idea they might not think EVERYONE has to be able to shoot. I'd argue that they prioritize being able to handle the ball pretty significantly. Vanderbilt has that raw skill at a higher level than most guys his size.
Now what do I expect out of him? I'll admit I have my hopes up a little as there is some buzz about the guy and my goodness Q actually likes a young guy it's sort of a 2020 miracle! :) My expectations like yours are actually pretty low but I like that he is on the roster because in theory he could be a really valuable player even if he only becomes a rotation level guy not a starter. Think a bigger James Johnson that's a much better rebounder but obviously likely poorer shooter. I'd love to have that type of player on the roster and even if it took Vanderbilt another couple years to develop and be effective...he would still be just 23 years old.
And yet this organization specifically traded for and has touted the guy as someone they really like and for their "program". Maybe they think they are miracle workers with his shot or maybe they like the theoretical versatility he can bring even without that skill. I think it's worth having my mind open a little bit to the idea they might not think EVERYONE has to be able to shoot. I'd argue that they prioritize being able to handle the ball pretty significantly. Vanderbilt has that raw skill at a higher level than most guys his size.
Now what do I expect out of him? I'll admit I have my hopes up a little as there is some buzz about the guy and my goodness Q actually likes a young guy it's sort of a 2020 miracle! :) My expectations like yours are actually pretty low but I like that he is on the roster because in theory he could be a really valuable player even if he only becomes a rotation level guy not a starter. Think a bigger James Johnson that's a much better rebounder but obviously likely poorer shooter. I'd love to have that type of player on the roster and even if it took Vanderbilt another couple years to develop and be effective...he would still be just 23 years old.