Wolves fire rosas!!!

[WildWolf2813]

I'll go back and read the thread, but I'll make my comments first. I think this is a very good day to be a Wolves fan. The head idiot is gone, and the owners are looking for a top 5 name to bring in. Watch out for Elton Brand.

I think the best part of this is we no longer have a POBO who is tied to DLO, and quite frankly won't have one who thinks he's a star. And maybe most important, won't have one who makes stupid moves to pair up friends and give up great draft picks during a year of a great draft pool.

I'm excited for what comes next. Maybe this spurs a move for Ben Simmons, or maybe it takes us out of the running completely. Either way, I'm looking forward to this season now more than ever.

No one is going to spend a billion dollars, and not want to be able to vet who is running the franchise. Apparently Rosas was vetted and now he's history. Good day indeed.

If you hated the Dlo trade what are you going to think of Elton Brand who gave up 3 players, one who was a young prospect at the time in Shamet, 2 1sts (1 unprotected and 1 lotto protected) and 2 2nds for Tobias Harris. Then paid Tobias Harris to be a top 10 salary in the NBA (Currently 13th highest) and is 1 of 2 players in the top 30 highest players in the NBA and never made an all star game (CJ is the other end he is paid 30th most)

I'm really scared if it is brand

I'm not hoping for Brand Kek, just heard his name brought up by Rick Mahorn.

Fair. Took your post wrong. My bad. We disagree on the Dlo trade and Rosas in general (what is fine). I just think we can do a lot worse then Rosas and I was liking what rosas was building.

How can you disagree on the DLO trade? It was a disaster. Again, those exact words repeated on the NBA network today. We've been building for 17 years. It's time to let the new owners come in and set their own culture. As someone else said, the bar isn't very high. Let's see what happens with a true commitment to winning, and fresh blood overseeing the whole operation.

They're not even the real owners yet.


Besides, I figured they'd keep Rosas until they became majority owners so that when they did fire him, it would come off as if they mean business. Now it looks like nobody knows who's leading who.

[KG4Ever]

I'll go back and read the thread, but I'll make my comments first. I think this is a very good day to be a Wolves fan. The head idiot is gone, and the owners are looking for a top 5 name to bring in. Watch out for Elton Brand.

I think the best part of this is we no longer have a POBO who is tied to DLO, and quite frankly won't have one who thinks he's a star. And maybe most important, won't have one who makes stupid moves to pair up friends and give up great draft picks during a year of a great draft pool.

I'm excited for what comes next. Maybe this spurs a move for Ben Simmons, or maybe it takes us out of the running completely. Either way, I'm looking forward to this season now more than ever.

No one is going to spend a billion dollars, and not want to be able to vet who is running the franchise. Apparently Rosas was vetted and now he's history. Good day indeed.

If you hated the Dlo trade what are you going to think of Elton Brand who gave up 3 players, one who was a young prospect at the time in Shamet, 2 1sts (1 unprotected and 1 lotto protected) and 2 2nds for Tobias Harris. Then paid Tobias Harris to be a top 10 salary in the NBA (Currently 13th highest) and is 1 of 2 players in the top 30 highest players in the NBA and never made an all star game (CJ is the other end he is paid 30th most)

I'm really scared if it is brand

I don't think Brand is the guy, but the Tobias Harris trade is much better than the one Rosas made for DLO. I watched a lot of Tobias Harris this year and he was very impressive. Shamet? meh. Two second rounders? meh. Rosas gave one up for one year of Ed Davis rotting on the bench. Both first round picks were outside the lottery.

[kekgeek]

People must have really hated Rosas. Wolves don't thank him in his exit interview. This is now the 2nd GM stint for Rosas and he either left or was dismissed early in both times

[TAFKASP]

I truly believe the time will come in the next few years when they fire Minnesota.

As for this move, I don't actually find it comforting that after decades of sticking with the wrong guy far too long that they're now jumping ship what feels to me as too soon. The team has been a fucking mess for over a decade, but he was expected to reverse that trend in a couple years?

I don't know the in's and out's of the game like many of you do, but I have to say I was reasonably optimistic about Rosas given last years draft, what he was able to do with virtually no cap room this summer, and his keeping the Wolves in play for Simmons. If this franchise stays true to form the next guy is going to be a complete disaster and piss away what positive assets they currently possess, and do it in short order.

Minnesota pro sports is really a joke. The Vikings are always on the door step, never good enough to challenge for a SB, never bad enough to get a top QB. The Twins alternate between being terrible, and being just good enough to lose to the Yankees in the first round of the playoffs. The Wild, much like the Vikings are good enough to make the playoffs on a regular basis, but never do anything in them, and never bad enough to get a truly game changing talent. And then there are the Wolves, I'm so old I remember thinking how pathetic the Clippers franchise was and wondering how could they be so bad, for so long.... now I understand.

Enjoy the next rebuild, the team will likely turn the corner towards contention... then move.

Whatever, good thing I don't live and die by the results of these teams like many do, and I used to.

[Monster]

I thought this was a new post on an old thread...then I thought it was a joke...oh it's real?!?!

There has to be some sort of explanation for this. It can't be just the new owners decided they wanted their own guy...ok maybe that's it but there HAS to be something Rosas did or was doing that made this move happen.

FWIW Wolfson has been saying for weeks that there was some front office changes that were going to happen. I'm not saying that he had any inkling of this but I think it could mean there were problems. I'm waiting to see if more info comes out before I decide what to really think about this.

As for who I want to get the job? Gupta seems like he would be a good hire. I would also like to see them bring in another guy that might be a good compliment to whatever Gupta isn't as good as. Maybe that a guy that's a little more media savvy or maybe something else. I think Gupta is a good candidate and well qualified but nobody can do it all.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

I think we can coalesce around this being due to one of two reasons:

1. Workplace issues - That could either be a serious incident or series of incidents that violated workplace policies OR it could be something more generalized like being a jerk to everyone that worked behind the scenes. Both are legitimate reasons to fire someone and not something you necessarily air out in the open with the public or even the players if they aren't the ones involved with the issue(s).

2. Friction with ownership on player personnel direction - Perhaps a Simmons deal could be done if DLO is included and Rosas refused. Perhaps some other deal or terms of a deal was being contemplated or floated and Rosas view of things was irreconcilable with new ownership. We don't know, but it's perfectly reasonable to let go of a GM/POBO if ownership comes to the conclusion quickly that the guy running their shiny new toy is not aligned with their vision.

As for the timing, you don't wait to fire someone due to #1. The timing is a bit more curious on #2, although I suppose it gives ownership plenty of time to complete their search and be ready for trade deadline moves, next year's draft, etc.

Glen doesn't act fast enough for him to do this due to #2. So if it's reason #2, that means Glen has largely ceded control of the franchise to ARod and Lore.

[Lipoli390]

I think we can coalesce around this being due to one of two reasons:

1. Workplace issues - That could either be a serious incident or series of incidents that violated workplace policies OR it could be something more generalized like being a jerk to everyone that worked behind the scenes. Both are legitimate reasons to fire someone and not something you necessarily air out in the open with the public or even the players if they aren't the ones involved with the issue(s).

2. Friction with ownership on player personnel direction - Perhaps a Simmons deal could be done if DLO is included and Rosas refused. Perhaps some other deal or terms of a deal was being contemplated or floated and Rosas view of things was irreconcilable with new ownership. We don't know, but it's perfectly reasonable to let go of a GM/POBO if ownership comes to the conclusion quickly that the guy running their shiny new toy is not aligned with their vision.

As for the timing, you don't wait to fire someone due to #1. The timing is a bit more curious on #2, although I suppose it gives ownership plenty of time to complete their search and be ready for trade deadline moves, next year's draft, etc.

Glen doesn't act fast enough for him to do this due to #2. So if it's reason #2, that means Glen has largely ceded control of the franchise to ARod and Lore.

Perfect analysis, Q. I was about to post something almost identical to what you wrote.

I would lean heavily towards #1. The firing was apparently abrupt as neither the team's star player nor Rosas himself knew it was coming. Rosas was reportedly in the gym and office this morning when he was fired, apparently totally unaware of what was about to happen. The timing makes no sense in the regulator course of business. We're only about a week before training camp. The entire roster and head coach heading into training camp are here because of Rosas. I wouldn't have been surprised if Rosas had been fired shortly after last season or sometime the middle of this next season if the team struggled.

You don't fire someone this abruptly at such an awkward time unless there's a fairly immediate, compelling reason to do so. And there's a short list of those compelling reasons for this sort of termination - all of them revolving around workplace misconduct of some kind like a pattern of dishonestly, mistreatment of colleagues or violation of core policies regarding relationships with subordinates. Note that, for all his faults, Glen Taylor has never been one to act quickly or rashly like this. And I can't see a seasoned business pro like Lore agreeing to a high-profile termination like this simply for basketball or philosophical reasons or to make way for hiring someone else. Elton Brand isn't going anywhere and will be available next Summer if Lore and A-Rod really want him. Lore is certainly smart enough to know this action would be distracting and contribute to a negative narrative about the Wolves in addition to potentially hurting team morale. So his apparent role in making this decision tells me that it was based on reason #1.

I suppose the firing could fall under reason #2. I could see Rosas digging in and stubbornly refusing to trade DLO as part of a package for Simmons. But I don't think they would have fired him right now if that were the reason. Instead, ownership could simply execute the deal Rosas refused to make and invite Rosas to resign. If Rosas chose to stay, ownership could see how the season goes and fire him later in the season or after the season, depending on how things go. If the Wolves ultimately trade DLO as part of a package for Simmons within the next week, then I might lean more towards reason #2. But I'm fairly certain it was #1.

[Coolbreeze44]

I'm hearing this is a Rosas thing only, and that Finch is safe.

[Lipoli390]

I'm hearing this is a Rosas thing only, and that Finch is safe.

I read the same thing, Cool. I hope it's accurate because I'm high on Finch as a head coach for this team. Honestly, the more you think about it, the more you have to believe Rosas did some pretty bad stuff that probably has little if anything to do with basketball. I've been around long enough in the business world to recognize these sort of abrupt firings shrouded in mystery for what they truly are - terminations for serious misconduct, either a single incident or a pattern over time.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Regardless of WHY...

... just another fun anecdote for the Cursed Chronicles of the Timberwolves.

What a shitshow of a franchise.