AbeVigodaLive wrote:Camden wrote:AbeVigodaLive wrote:Camden wrote:AbeVigodaLive wrote:Camden wrote:The time is here. It's the trade deadline version of: which team says no? Is this a trade that you would even want the Wolves to make if it was available? Remaining contract values after this season are included in parentheses for the players below.
Wolves:
- Patrick Beverley (1-year, $14.3-million)
- Marvin Bagley III (1-year, $11.3-million)
- 2023 second-round pick (via Los Angeles)
Kings:
- Jarrett Culver (2-year, $14.5-million w/ TO's)
- Patrick Patterson (UFA)
- 2022 second-round pick (via Los Angeles)
Clippers:
- Ricky Rubio (1-year, $17.8-million)
Sure. But why would the Kings do that?
Trading out one former top pick needing a new home for another, for starters. Rumor has it that Bagley wants out and he's already been shopped around the league without garnering much interest due to his high cap hit next season and his issues the last two seasons. Sacramento wanted a first-round pick for him a month ago. Teams are reportedly waiting for the Kings to sell very low or essentially give him away. I don't see them getting much better than what I afforded them in my hypothetical trade.
Sure. But as I mentioned before... that's a tough sell for Sacramento.
It's one thing to give up on the malcontent they took #2 in the draft. But for a guy like Culver (#6) and who's played even worse is tough sell.
At least Bagley is a starter with volume stats (14/7). Culver would be be a bench guy, possibly not even in the rotation? Again, I get the premise... just not with Bagley or the Kings.
Right, but it's about what Sacramento can command in return, is it not? Bagley is not staying with the Kings. Given that he's likely asked for a trade and they're already shopping him it's clear that holding on to him just isn't an option no matter what his stats are. They were recently reported to have offered Bagley to Detroit for Saddiq Bey and were denied. To me, that sets the bar in terms of asking price as well as what that franchise is willing to sell to their fans.
Also, how many interested teams are there and what do they have to offer? Less trading partners, less demand, the lower the price. This is looking like a Derrick Williams situation where they'll end up taking what they can get just to move on.
There's a big gap between Saddiq Bey and Culver.
Bey has size and a role in the NBA. He's already shooting three pointers above league average (38.6%) on high volume. He has every making thus far of a decent (even starter for most teams) wing player. He's been a plus player (or at least a wash) as a rookie on a bad team.
Culver can't shoot, which leaves him without a role in the NBA. He's not close to an average player and its nearing the end of year two. He's still under 50% from the line for his career.
Culver also makes more than 2x as much as Bey.
I'm well aware of how good Saddiq Bey is given that I pounded the table for him leading up to and on draft night. He's also having an excellent rookie season and leading all rookies in threes made last time I checked. Bey is clearly a valuable player and obviously more so than Jarrett Culver.
But my point wasn't to compare those two at all. My point was that the Kings attempted to trade Bagley for Bey and were turned down, which tells me that Bagley can likely be had for less than Bey and probably significantly less. A former -- and struggling -- sixth-overall pick and a future second-round draft pick might end up being better than whatever Sacramento eventually receives for Bagley. That's all that I'm getting at.
