AbeVigodaLive wrote:So you're saying that the Warriors screwed up by signing Russell in the first place?
I'm saying that it's not sunshine and rainbows for Golden State like FNG made it out to be -- far from it, in my opinion.
And yes, the Warriors shelling out a first-round pick to Brooklyn in the Kevin Durant sign-and-trade and then a first-round pick with Andre Iguodala to Memphis just to acquire D-Lo and stay under the hard cap with the league knowing they'd have to flip D-Lo later on probably wasn't the smartest play for them. There's a series of moves there that look pretty bad to me and they stem from getting involved with D-Lo, though not actually D-Lo's fault necessarily.
I'm still not a fan of their Oubre deal giving up either their 1st rounder in 2021 or the wolves 2nd in 2021 draft. I just don't think he has been good enough to warrant the financial cost and a reasonably valuable draft pick.
KG4Ever wrote:Cam, I can speak for Warriors fans unlike you. I am a Warriors fan as well as a Wolves fan. Warriors fans love the trade. Bay Area media also think the Warriors made out very well.
Obviously, they have every reason to look at it that way now.
But the #4 pick is different than the #13 pick. How much of the excitement is from knowing they're almost definitely getting a higher pick than initially projected?
The day Wiggins signed the max was the day this era of the wolves was screwed. I understand why he got the max, I was OK with the signing back then, some said it was a better signing then the embiid max. He regressed and the wolves couldn't afford paying a max contract to a player who regressed. You could say thibs screwed up trading lavine but this is probably the 1st year the Wolves maybe would be competing for a playoff spot and that is still a big maybe with the core of Wiggins/lavine and Kat. You could say should of traded Wiggins for Butler. Butler would of still been gone because lavine missed most of Butler 1st year here and lavine was terrible when he came back.
Wolves GMs have not helped with bad draft picks but the big thing why the Wolves are still in the spot they are in is because Wiggins never panned out. Plain and simple.
The only way the Wolves would not be in this spot is if they didn't extend Wiggins but that would be something no minor market ever does and its not like Wiggins is the worst player ever, he did just enough to have you keep coming back.
The Wolves have had 5 1st overall picks on the roster in the last 10ish years and Kat is the only one who is ended being an All NBA talent on roster. Hopefully Ant is next
KG4Ever wrote:Cam, I can speak for Warriors fans unlike you. I am a Warriors fan as well as a Wolves fan. Warriors fans love the trade. Bay Area media also think the Warriors made out very well.
I never spoke for Warriors fans, though you seem to be doing that right now, which is interesting in itself. I explained my perspective through the lens of a Warriors fan if I was one. I wouldn't be pleased with the state of my franchise after the series of moves that I discussed and then the Kelly Oubre trade that I see monster added to the equation. It's simply not a great spot to be in, in my opinion.
You are welcome to disagree with me. Frankly, I'd prefer it that way. You are also welcome to inject Bay Area media into your veins if you so choose. Good for you.
KG4Ever wrote:Cam, I can speak for Warriors fans unlike you. I am a Warriors fan as well as a Wolves fan. Warriors fans love the trade. Bay Area media also think the Warriors made out very well.
Obviously, they have every reason to look at it that way now.
But the #4 pick is different than the #13 pick. How much of the excitement is from knowing they're almost definitely getting a higher pick than initially projected?
Yep, obviously the trade could be bad if the warriors get pick #4 or #5 but there is no way the Wolves could of projected Kat and Dlo playing 5 games together in over a year. How much is the trade looked at different if it's the 7, 8, 9th pick
KG4Ever wrote:Cam, I can speak for Warriors fans unlike you. I am a Warriors fan as well as a Wolves fan. Warriors fans love the trade. Bay Area media also think the Warriors made out very well.
I never spoke for Warriors fans, though you seem to be doing that right now, which is interesting in itself. I explained my perspective through the lens of a Warriors fan if I was one. I wouldn't be pleased with the state of my franchise after the series of moves that I discussed and then the Kelly Oubre trade that I see monster added to the equation. It's simply not a great spot to be in, in my opinion.
You are welcome to disagree with me. Frankly, I'd prefer it that way. You are also welcome to inject Bay Area media into your veins if you so choose. Good for you.
Well, you brought in the whole state of the Warriors future as well as Iguadala and Oubre into evaluating a simple trade. Good for you!
FWIW, Warriors will benefit whether pick is pick 4 or 5 in 2021 or its in 2022 when there is no longer any protections on the pick and the 2022 pick might be just as good if not better.
KG4Ever wrote:Cam, I can speak for Warriors fans unlike you. I am a Warriors fan as well as a Wolves fan. Warriors fans love the trade. Bay Area media also think the Warriors made out very well.
I never spoke for Warriors fans, though you seem to be doing that right now, which is interesting in itself. I explained my perspective through the lens of a Warriors fan if I was one. I wouldn't be pleased with the state of my franchise after the series of moves that I discussed and then the Kelly Oubre trade that I see monster added to the equation. It's simply not a great spot to be in, in my opinion.
You are welcome to disagree with me. Frankly, I'd prefer it that way. You are also welcome to inject Bay Area media into your veins if you so choose. Good for you.
Well, you brought in the whole state of the Warriors future as well as Iguadala and Oubre into evaluating a simple trade. Good for you!
Of course! It's weird how one move creates a domino effect in the NBA -- how one move can either set up another or hinder a team's opportunities. As a Warriors fan you should certainly understand this! It's why they were able to sign Kevin Durant in the first place! Dub Nation, right, KG4Ever?
KG4Ever wrote:Cam, I can speak for Warriors fans unlike you. I am a Warriors fan as well as a Wolves fan. Warriors fans love the trade. Bay Area media also think the Warriors made out very well.
Obviously, they have every reason to look at it that way now.
But the #4 pick is different than the #13 pick. How much of the excitement is from knowing they're almost definitely getting a higher pick than initially projected?
I agree that the opinion in the Bay Area has migrated a little since last year. It was largely favorable when the deal was announced, but not wildly so. But if you research Warriors' fans and media's thoughts this winter on the internet, they are now ecstatic about the deal. I think the increase in their enthusiasm is due to two factors: 1) Wiggins, while still having some of the same warts, is performing much better than they expected. He has improved his 3-point shooting, and his defensive metrics have soared...some media talk about potential All-Defensive potential, and we never thought seriously about that. 2) As the buzz about the quality of the 2021 draft increase, even beyond the top 3, that first round pick (plus their own) has to have them drooling.
FNG wrote:As I read different analyses this morning about yesterday's lack of activity by the Wolves, one positive is coming more into focus. It seems that the player that might have gotten the most offers was Jaden McDaniels. Many of us here are cautiously optimistic about what this skinny 20-year-old can become, so good on Rosas for not letting him go. It appears that the league is seeing what we're seeing.
His defense has shown to be elite at times, he certainly needs to get stronger and bigger so he can rebound and bang a little bit. It would make zero sense to trade McDaniels unless you are getting a much better player on a not so expensive contract. Because the Wolves are not competing for a chip as we all know now and even the most homerish fan won't say we will be ready next year. If things actually go really well, then in 2 years guys like Ant and McDaniels will be quality starters.
We have to remember the timeline which Thibs didn't. I always said and knew LaVine was going to be better than Wiggins, that trade pissed me off.
kekgeek1 wrote:The day Wiggins signed the max was the day this era of the wolves was screwed. I understand why he got the max, I was OK with the signing back then, some said it was a better signing then the embiid max. He regressed and the wolves couldn't afford paying a max contract to a player who regressed. You could say thibs screwed up trading lavine but this is probably the 1st year the Wolves maybe would be competing for a playoff spot and that is still a big maybe with the core of Wiggins/lavine and Kat. You could say should of traded Wiggins for Butler. Butler would of still been gone because lavine missed most of Butler 1st year here and lavine was terrible when he came back.
Wolves GMs have not helped with bad draft picks but the big thing why the Wolves are still in the spot they are in is because Wiggins never panned out. Plain and simple.
The only way the Wolves would not be in this spot is if they didn't extend Wiggins but that would be something no minor market ever does and its not like Wiggins is the worst player ever, he did just enough to have you keep coming back.
The Wolves have had 5 1st overall picks on the roster in the last 10ish years and Kat is the only one who is ended being an All NBA talent on roster. Hopefully Ant is next
I would have let Wiggins walk, the only reason he was paid max was there was hope that he would continue to get better. He wasn't a max player then and then even got worse. He never played hard enough or good enough for me on a nightly basis to think he was ever going to be a max player. He'd have a couple games a year where he looks like an All Star, but that was it.
He was overrated on defense and his offense was inefficient.
