Camden wrote:If you want Anthony Edwards to develop into a lead guard or the main ball-handler, which is the best-case scenario for him as a player, then why on earth would you want to play Ricky Rubio next to him at any time? This is something I've never understood when watching Rubio play next to other lead guards in two-guard lineups. If he's not handling the ball, he's hurting your team offensively, in my opinion, because teams know that he can't shoot the basketball. At the very least, D'Angelo Russell is a very good shooter. He requires defensive attention if for nothing else besides his ability to make shots from the perimeter. That skill makes Edwards' job as a slasher much easier. It makes everyone's job easier, actually, but especially him in this case. Rubio standing in the corner or at the break with his defender ignoring him at the painted area means more traffic and less room for everybody.
In theory, Russell could work better. But maybe the Wolves see Edwards on the Booker or Mitchell track...
Rubio played with both of them with decent success. And right now... decent is a HUGE step up for the Wolves organization.
Camden0916 wrote:If you want Anthony Edwards to develop into a lead guard or the main ball-handler, which is the best-case scenario for him as a player, then why on earth would you want to play Ricky Rubio next to him at any time? This is something I've never understood when watching Rubio play next to other lead guards in two-guard lineups. If he's not handling the ball, he's hurting your team offensively, in my opinion, because teams know that he can't shoot the basketball. At the very least, D'Angelo Russell is a very good shooter. He requires defensive attention if for nothing else besides his ability to make shots from the perimeter. That skill makes Edwards' job as a slasher much easier. It makes everyone's job easier, actually, but especially him in this case. Rubio standing in the corner or at the break with his defender ignoring him at the painted area means more traffic and less room for everybody.
Yes. Ricky is a back up PG at this stage in his career. We wont be able to trade him for anything but a loss until throwing him in as a salary dump at next year's trade deadline. I think the value he brings until then is as an overpaid back up PG who Ant respects.
Camden0916 wrote:If you want Anthony Edwards to develop into a lead guard or the main ball-handler, which is the best-case scenario for him as a player, then why on earth would you want to play Ricky Rubio next to him at any time? This is something I've never understood when watching Rubio play next to other lead guards in two-guard lineups. If he's not handling the ball, he's hurting your team offensively, in my opinion, because teams know that he can't shoot the basketball. At the very least, D'Angelo Russell is a very good shooter. He requires defensive attention if for nothing else besides his ability to make shots from the perimeter. That skill makes Edwards' job as a slasher much easier. It makes everyone's job easier, actually, but especially him in this case. Rubio standing in the corner or at the break with his defender ignoring him at the painted area means more traffic and less room for everybody.
Yes. Ricky is a back up PG at this stage in his career. We wont be able to trade him for anything but a loss until throwing him in as a salary dump at next year's trade deadline. I think the value he brings until then is as an overpaid back up PG who Ant respects.
On the lowe post podcast they mentioned Ricky in a trade scenario with the Clippers. They mentioned Pat Bev, Patterson, Oturu and a 2nd for Ricky. I'm guessing Ricky doesn't have a ton value
Camden0916 wrote:If you want Anthony Edwards to develop into a lead guard or the main ball-handler, which is the best-case scenario for him as a player, then why on earth would you want to play Ricky Rubio next to him at any time? This is something I've never understood when watching Rubio play next to other lead guards in two-guard lineups. If he's not handling the ball, he's hurting your team offensively, in my opinion, because teams know that he can't shoot the basketball. At the very least, D'Angelo Russell is a very good shooter. He requires defensive attention if for nothing else besides his ability to make shots from the perimeter. That skill makes Edwards' job as a slasher much easier. It makes everyone's job easier, actually, but especially him in this case. Rubio standing in the corner or at the break with his defender ignoring him at the painted area means more traffic and less room for everybody.
Yes. Ricky is a back up PG at this stage in his career. We wont be able to trade him for anything but a loss until throwing him in as a salary dump at next year's trade deadline. I think the value he brings until then is as an overpaid back up PG who Ant respects.
On the lowe post podcast they mentioned Ricky in a trade scenario with the Clippers. They mentioned Pat Bev, Patterson, Oturu and a 2nd for Ricky. I'm guessing Ricky doesn't have a ton value
Camden0916 wrote:If you want Anthony Edwards to develop into a lead guard or the main ball-handler, which is the best-case scenario for him as a player, then why on earth would you want to play Ricky Rubio next to him at any time? This is something I've never understood when watching Rubio play next to other lead guards in two-guard lineups. If he's not handling the ball, he's hurting your team offensively, in my opinion, because teams know that he can't shoot the basketball. At the very least, D'Angelo Russell is a very good shooter. He requires defensive attention if for nothing else besides his ability to make shots from the perimeter. That skill makes Edwards' job as a slasher much easier. It makes everyone's job easier, actually, but especially him in this case. Rubio standing in the corner or at the break with his defender ignoring him at the painted area means more traffic and less room for everybody.
Yes. Ricky is a back up PG at this stage in his career. We wont be able to trade him for anything but a loss until throwing him in as a salary dump at next year's trade deadline. I think the value he brings until then is as an overpaid back up PG who Ant respects.
On the lowe post podcast they mentioned Ricky in a trade scenario with the Clippers. They mentioned Pat Bev, Patterson, Oturu and a 2nd for Ricky. I'm guessing Ricky doesn't have a ton value
Id believe that when I saw it, that sounds like a haul for us. Lowe is a Ricky lover, so that may cloud his judgement on this one. Obviously, I would love to be wrong, I just dont see a ton of teams wanting Ricky. But if we can get anything of value for him do it.
Camden wrote:If you want Anthony Edwards to develop into a lead guard or the main ball-handler, which is the best-case scenario for him as a player, then why on earth would you want to play Ricky Rubio next to him at any time? This is something I've never understood when watching Rubio play next to other lead guards in two-guard lineups. If he's not handling the ball, he's hurting your team offensively, in my opinion, because teams know that he can't shoot the basketball. At the very least, D'Angelo Russell is a very good shooter. He requires defensive attention if for nothing else besides his ability to make shots from the perimeter. That skill makes Edwards' job as a slasher much easier. It makes everyone's job easier, actually, but especially him in this case. Rubio standing in the corner or at the break with his defender ignoring him at the painted area means more traffic and less room for everybody.
Because Edwards is playing his best basketball of his season next to Ricky. Moreover, Ricky keeps the ball moving and doesn't take shots away from Edwards who is primarily a scorer. It's not ideal and I'd view Ricky as a temporary lead guard until Edwards is ready to assume that role full time. On the other hand, if DLO converts fully to a 2-guard under Finch and primarily spots up for shots, then he might work better than Ricky alongside Edwards. But then what do we do with Beasley and where do Nowell and McLaughlin fit?
I think there is a problem with this wolves team that we're so bad anyone could think they should be a starter. The role people want in coming here is to finally showcase their individual talents, and fair enough, we stink. It would be nice to have two or 3 lunch pail vets who are just here to do their job.
thedoper wrote:I think there is a problem with this wolves team that we're so bad anyone could think they should be a starter. The role people want in coming here is to finally showcase their individual talents, and fair enough, we stink. It would be nice to have two or 3 lunch pail vets who are just here to do their job.
That's all part of an identity. And the Wolves are not close to having anything resembling that yet.
Even when all the talent is back on the floor... that's arguably the biggest question mark. The Wolves will have three young and brash shot-seeking gunners around arguably the best shooting big man in NBA history.
I predict some serious issues... hopefully, it gets sorted out eventually. But I think that means that one of those gunners is moved.
Camden0916 wrote:If you want Anthony Edwards to develop into a lead guard or the main ball-handler, which is the best-case scenario for him as a player, then why on earth would you want to play Ricky Rubio next to him at any time? This is something I've never understood when watching Rubio play next to other lead guards in two-guard lineups. If he's not handling the ball, he's hurting your team offensively, in my opinion, because teams know that he can't shoot the basketball. At the very least, D'Angelo Russell is a very good shooter. He requires defensive attention if for nothing else besides his ability to make shots from the perimeter. That skill makes Edwards' job as a slasher much easier. It makes everyone's job easier, actually, but especially him in this case. Rubio standing in the corner or at the break with his defender ignoring him at the painted area means more traffic and less room for everybody.
Yes. Ricky is a back up PG at this stage in his career. We wont be able to trade him for anything but a loss until throwing him in as a salary dump at next year's trade deadline. I think the value he brings until then is as an overpaid back up PG who Ant respects.
On the lowe post podcast they mentioned Ricky in a trade scenario with the Clippers. They mentioned Pat Bev, Patterson, Oturu and a 2nd for Ricky. I'm guessing Ricky doesn't have a ton value
I think I would take that deal, honestly.
I think I would strongly consider that deal too, but I think the Clippers don't. They are 27-16 and Beverly is arguably their 3rd most important player. He's an elite defender and making 42% of his threes this season (38% for his career). And while his assist numbers have never been very robust, has he ever really been allowed to be a true PG? It seems to me like his teams always have had wings who have been the primary facilitators. Rubio needs to have the ball in his hands, and he would be a terrible fit in LA with George and Leonard handling the ball all the time.
Camden wrote:Not that Ricky Rubio's the singular reason for this Wolves team losing or even at the top of that list, but how is this board not exhausted of watching them lose with him in uniform? This is his seventh season in Minnesota and they are 183-335 (.353) in those seasons and counting. Maybe he's just not the straw that stirs a winning drink. Frankly, I'd like this franchise to distance itself from the losers of its past and try anything different. Give me a team full of shooters. Give me a team full of rangy, explosive athletes. Give me a team that defends like crazy but struggles to score. Anything besides what we've seen from the past. And that includes Rubio.
Rubio without a doubt in my mind cost this team wins in the first half of the year. He was giving the team 4 points on terrible shooting, 4 turnovers and 1 assist night in and out. (ok not exact stats but in the ballpark)
You lose multiple games by 3-4 points and yes it's arguable that Rubio's terrible play resulted in more losses.
I'm sure we are all fine trading him for a pick and player if that is possible. Wether that pick is decent or player is younger with potential to be a player either is fine with me. Rubio is not a long term answer and his mediocre play and leadership are not enough for me to consider the future.
"Not exact stats but in the ballpark"...
Apparently, wolvesfan's ballpark is 1,038 feet down the foul lines.
This is not an endorsement of Rubio... only pointing out the shadiness of the post.
If you are going to debate my stats then do it by actually calculating them. Because I remember he was avg about 6 points a game and was joking how we could replace them and his turnovers.
So yes, my stats were in the ballpark unless you can prove otherwise.
Rubio was also turning the ball over more then any PG in the league based on per minute played, only one player was worse and it was McConnell!!!
So garbage points on terrible shooting and almost turning the ball over more then any other. I was being KIND in my first post!
We'd have 5-6 more wins if he was merely avg!!!!!
You wrote... "4 turnovers and 1 assist night in and out."
Then acted offended that I teased you on that ridiculous stat/hyperbole. So here you go big guy...
Ricky Rubio has not had a game with more TOs than assists this season.
Rubio in December:
4.5 assists / 1.3 TO
Rubio in January:
6.2 assists / 2.5 TO
Rubio in February:
6.9 assists / 1.8 TO
Rubio in March:
8.4 assists / 2.0 TO
Happy now?
[Note: Rubio is 14th best in the league in Assist/TO ratio... McConnell is 13th. I don't know what source you're using for your stats... but you might want to find a different one.]
Based on 100 possessions and the percent of time you turn it over.
Those goalposts are moving quickly.
1. You specifically wrote by minutes played.
2. And you specifically wrote "4 turnovers and 1 assist night in and out."
Neither one is true. Again... Rubio has not even had a single game this season with more TOs than assists.
[Note: None of this is to excuse Rubio's very shoddy play earlier this season. He was terrible. And the Covid excuse seems weird to me. When I hear "out of shape", I think poor conditioning. I also find in inexcusable for guys making $17M like Rubio or $7M like Hernangomez to come in out of shape. They should be ripped for that.]
I was flying by the seat of my pants. Hyperbole exposed! lol
He was still terrible by every measure though and we can at least be happy he's not playing that way anymore. Because I was hoping to see Dave Benz sub in for Ricky at times.
Fair enough.
So why fight it? Just write that the first time and move on.
