Rosas selling points

[Tactical unit]

I guess in the deal I said was a slight overpay (Culver, 1st top 6 protected & 2nd).

I guess I was valuing draft picks to highly. Collins was the 19th pick which just show cases to me how valuable draft picks are. I also think its a rather large question as to weather or not Collins is worth close to max money? That's what he is going to want.

So what would be more realistic? Culver & Two protected 1sts

What type of overpay do you think Rosas would make for Collins or another significant trade move?

[Tactical unit]

Nowell and Beasley have similar skill sets so maybe Beasley in a Collins deal isn't far fetched if they believe Nowell makes Beasley expendable.

[Wolvesfan21]

Rosas isn't going anyplace anytime soon. His teams have been without one of their two highest paid players for virtually his entire time with the team. And now even without DLO and Beasley the team is showing signs of being competitive. And it's not as though anybody thinks the current roster is in any way what Rosas envisions.

I'm actually starting to have hope once again, but then again I'm a fool What is that saying about doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results? LOL

Because the Wolves are a toxic relationship for us. We just see a little hope and we jump on it. I do like though Wolves have won 2 of 3 when Kat hasn't needed a 30/15 game to lead them to a win

KAT is better without DLO now then DLO without KAT.

Culver, Vandy and a 1st top 10 protected while protection moves down in following years if not met.

Or Beasley and Vandy straight up for Collins.

It makes sense to include a PF in the deal and I'm not letting them have McDaniels. With Ant's last couple fairly good games I'm not letting him go either. Ant and McDaniels would be off the table.

[FNG]

Rosas isn't going anyplace anytime soon. His teams have been without one of their two highest paid players for virtually his entire time with the team. And now even without DLO and Beasley the team is showing signs of being competitive. And it's not as though anybody thinks the current roster is in any way what Rosas envisions.

I'm actually starting to have hope once again, but then again I'm a fool What is that saying about doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results? LOL

Because the Wolves are a toxic relationship for us. We just see a little hope and we jump on it. I do like though Wolves have won 2 of 3 when Kat hasn't needed a 30/15 game to lead them to a win

KAT is better without DLO now then DLO without KAT.

Culver, Vandy and a 1st top 10 protected while protection moves down in following years if not met.

Or Beasley and Vandy straight up for Collins.

It makes sense to include a PF in the deal and I'm not letting them have McDaniels. With Ant's last couple fairly good games I'm not letting him go either. Ant and McDaniels would be off the table.

Man, I would love to get Collins for the 2 deals you suggest, WF...I do either one in a nanosecond. The problem is I don't believe Atlanta is thinking like us. They see Collins as a young superstar, and I'm sure they don't see Culver, Beasley and Vando as superstars. I would love to be wrong, but I don't think we get the Hawks to pick up the phone without mentioning Ant or DLO. And I'm with everyone here...don't include Ant in any deal.

[Lipoli390]

Rosas isn't going anyplace anytime soon. His teams have been without one of their two highest paid players for virtually his entire time with the team. And now even without DLO and Beasley the team is showing signs of being competitive. And it's not as though anybody thinks the current roster is in any way what Rosas envisions.

I'm actually starting to have hope once again, but then again I'm a fool What is that saying about doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results? LOL

Because the Wolves are a toxic relationship for us. We just see a little hope and we jump on it. I do like though Wolves have won 2 of 3 when Kat hasn't needed a 30/15 game to lead them to a win

KAT is better without DLO now then DLO without KAT.

Culver, Vandy and a 1st top 10 protected while protection moves down in following years if not met.

Or Beasley and Vandy straight up for Collins.

It makes sense to include a PF in the deal and I'm not letting them have McDaniels. With Ant's last couple fairly good games I'm not letting him go either. Ant and McDaniels would be off the table.

Man, I would love to get Collins for the 2 deals you suggest, WF...I do either one in a nanosecond. The problem is I don't believe Atlanta is thinking like us. They see Collins as a young superstar, and I'm sure they don't see Culver, Beasley and Vando as superstars. I would love to be wrong, but I don't think we get the Hawks to pick up the phone without mentioning Ant or DLO. And I'm with everyone here...don't include Ant in any deal.

I think Atlanta views Collins as a very good player who's about to command a max salary that they're not willing to pay. The Hawks have repeatedly brought in centers and PFs since drafting Collins. This list includes Capella, Fernando, Okongwu, Hunter and Gallinari. Those were pretty big contracts or high draft picks. At the same time, Atlanta has reportedly been shopping Collins for the past year. So I don't think Atlanta views Collins as a premium value player for their team. Therefore, what the Wolves would have to give up for him turns on what other teams are willing to offer. The smart thing for the Wolves front office would be to decide what price they're willing to pay for Collins and stick to that price regardless of what other teams might be offering. If it's not good enough to get Collins then so be it. That's the only way to run a successful business of any kind, including an NBA franchise. I like Collins a lot, but obviously he's not Durant, Harden, LeBron, or AD - not even close. He'd be a nice piece to add, but he's not the holy grail.

[FNG]

Rosas isn't going anyplace anytime soon. His teams have been without one of their two highest paid players for virtually his entire time with the team. And now even without DLO and Beasley the team is showing signs of being competitive. And it's not as though anybody thinks the current roster is in any way what Rosas envisions.

I'm actually starting to have hope once again, but then again I'm a fool What is that saying about doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results? LOL

Because the Wolves are a toxic relationship for us. We just see a little hope and we jump on it. I do like though Wolves have won 2 of 3 when Kat hasn't needed a 30/15 game to lead them to a win

KAT is better without DLO now then DLO without KAT.

Culver, Vandy and a 1st top 10 protected while protection moves down in following years if not met.

Or Beasley and Vandy straight up for Collins.

It makes sense to include a PF in the deal and I'm not letting them have McDaniels. With Ant's last couple fairly good games I'm not letting him go either. Ant and McDaniels would be off the table.

Man, I would love to get Collins for the 2 deals you suggest, WF...I do either one in a nanosecond. The problem is I don't believe Atlanta is thinking like us. They see Collins as a young superstar, and I'm sure they don't see Culver, Beasley and Vando as superstars. I would love to be wrong, but I don't think we get the Hawks to pick up the phone without mentioning Ant or DLO. And I'm with everyone here...don't include Ant in any deal.

I think Atlanta views Collins as a very good player who's about to command a max salary that they're not willing to pay. The Hawks have repeatedly brought in centers and PFs since drafting Collins. This list includes Capella, Fernando, Okongwu, Hunter and Gallinari. Those were pretty big contracts or high draft picks. At the same time, Atlanta has reportedly been shopping Collins for the past year. So I don't think Atlanta views Collins as a premium value player for their team. Therefore, the Wolves would have to give up for him turns on what other teams are willing to offer. The smart thing for the Wolves front office would be to decide what price they're willing to pay for Collins and stick to that price regardless of what other teams might be offering. If it's not good enough to get Collins then so be it. That's the only way to run a successful business of any kind, including an NBA franchise. I like Collins a lot, but obviously he's not Durant, Harden, LeBron, or AD - not even close. He'd be a nice piece to add, but he's not the holy grail.

I would definitely offer the "see-if-they'll-bite" deals proposed here, Lip. But I don't think Atlanta will take them seriously. So here's the question: If they offer a sign-and-trade to us of Collins (at a near max) for DLO, do you take it? And further, does Atlanta?

[Coolbreeze44]

Rosas isn't going anyplace anytime soon. His teams have been without one of their two highest paid players for virtually his entire time with the team. And now even without DLO and Beasley the team is showing signs of being competitive. And it's not as though anybody thinks the current roster is in any way what Rosas envisions.

I'm actually starting to have hope once again, but then again I'm a fool What is that saying about doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results? LOL

Because the Wolves are a toxic relationship for us. We just see a little hope and we jump on it. I do like though Wolves have won 2 of 3 when Kat hasn't needed a 30/15 game to lead them to a win

KAT is better without DLO now then DLO without KAT.

Culver, Vandy and a 1st top 10 protected while protection moves down in following years if not met.

Or Beasley and Vandy straight up for Collins.

It makes sense to include a PF in the deal and I'm not letting them have McDaniels. With Ant's last couple fairly good games I'm not letting him go either. Ant and McDaniels would be off the table.

Man, I would love to get Collins for the 2 deals you suggest, WF...I do either one in a nanosecond. The problem is I don't believe Atlanta is thinking like us. They see Collins as a young superstar, and I'm sure they don't see Culver, Beasley and Vando as superstars. I would love to be wrong, but I don't think we get the Hawks to pick up the phone without mentioning Ant or DLO. And I'm with everyone here...don't include Ant in any deal.

I think Atlanta views Collins as a very good player who's about to command a max salary that they're not willing to pay. The Hawks have repeatedly brought in centers and PFs since drafting Collins. This list includes Capella, Fernando, Okongwu, Hunter and Gallinari. Those were pretty big contracts or high draft picks. At the same time, Atlanta has reportedly been shopping Collins for the past year. So I don't think Atlanta views Collins as a premium value player for their team. Therefore, the Wolves would have to give up for him turns on what other teams are willing to offer. The smart thing for the Wolves front office would be to decide what price they're willing to pay for Collins and stick to that price regardless of what other teams might be offering. If it's not good enough to get Collins then so be it. That's the only way to run a successful business of any kind, including an NBA franchise. I like Collins a lot, but obviously he's not Durant, Harden, LeBron, or AD - not even close. He'd be a nice piece to add, but he's not the holy grail.

I would definitely offer the "see-if-they'll-bite" deals proposed here, Lip. But I don't think Atlanta will take them seriously. So here's the question: If they offer a sign-and-trade to us of Collins (at a near max) for DLO, do you take it? And further, does Atlanta?

We do without hesitation, but Atlanta wouldn't. DLO is almost untradeable. Like I've said before, he finally landed with the head moron in Rosas.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

I'm not sure why there's any talk about D'Angelo Russell's involvement in a deal with Atlanta. The Hawks already have their D-Lo in Trae Young. The last thing the Hawks want is another high usage guard. It's simply not going to happen.

[Coolbreeze44]

As far as Rosas goes, I see a lot of rhetoric that his job is on the line. If it was up to me he would already be gone. But I really don't think he is in any trouble yet. The one thing that could change all that is if Glen sells the team. The new owner would probably want a fresh start with his own guy. So there is hope.

[Lipoli390]

Rosas isn't going anyplace anytime soon. His teams have been without one of their two highest paid players for virtually his entire time with the team. And now even without DLO and Beasley the team is showing signs of being competitive. And it's not as though anybody thinks the current roster is in any way what Rosas envisions.

I'm actually starting to have hope once again, but then again I'm a fool What is that saying about doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results? LOL

Because the Wolves are a toxic relationship for us. We just see a little hope and we jump on it. I do like though Wolves have won 2 of 3 when Kat hasn't needed a 30/15 game to lead them to a win

KAT is better without DLO now then DLO without KAT.

Culver, Vandy and a 1st top 10 protected while protection moves down in following years if not met.

Or Beasley and Vandy straight up for Collins.

It makes sense to include a PF in the deal and I'm not letting them have McDaniels. With Ant's last couple fairly good games I'm not letting him go either. Ant and McDaniels would be off the table.

Man, I would love to get Collins for the 2 deals you suggest, WF...I do either one in a nanosecond. The problem is I don't believe Atlanta is thinking like us. They see Collins as a young superstar, and I'm sure they don't see Culver, Beasley and Vando as superstars. I would love to be wrong, but I don't think we get the Hawks to pick up the phone without mentioning Ant or DLO. And I'm with everyone here...don't include Ant in any deal.

I think Atlanta views Collins as a very good player who's about to command a max salary that they're not willing to pay. The Hawks have repeatedly brought in centers and PFs since drafting Collins. This list includes Capella, Fernando, Okongwu, Hunter and Gallinari. Those were pretty big contracts or high draft picks. At the same time, Atlanta has reportedly been shopping Collins for the past year. So I don't think Atlanta views Collins as a premium value player for their team. Therefore, the Wolves would have to give up for him turns on what other teams are willing to offer. The smart thing for the Wolves front office would be to decide what price they're willing to pay for Collins and stick to that price regardless of what other teams might be offering. If it's not good enough to get Collins then so be it. That's the only way to run a successful business of any kind, including an NBA franchise. I like Collins a lot, but obviously he's not Durant, Harden, LeBron, or AD - not even close. He'd be a nice piece to add, but he's not the holy grail.

I would definitely offer the "see-if-they'll-bite" deals proposed here, Lip. But I don't think Atlanta will take them seriously. So here's the question: If they offer a sign-and-trade to us of Collins (at a near max) for DLO, do you take it? And further, does Atlanta?

Good question, FNG. I would definitely do that deal if I were the Wolves PBO. That's because I don't see DLO as a good fit here. He's a poor defender and our other max player isn't a good defender either. He's also a ball-stopper who stifles ball movement on the offensive end. He's a better fit off the ball, but Rosas brought him here to be our PG and that won't work well for us in my view.. Furthermore, he's only had one good season out of six. Of course, for all those reasons, I doubt the Hawks would do that deal.

Like you, I'd proposed a number fo see-if-they'll-bit deals and I'd include the DLO deal you suggested among them. But my bottom line is that I wouldn't include KAT, Ant, McDaniels, Nowell or a future 1st unless lottery protected, eventually converting to a 2nd round pick if not conveyed in 2 years. Note that I'm taken Beasley off my protected list. I'd still be very reluctant to include him in a deal for Collins and if we did, I definitely would not include a future 1st or DLO. So I'm not sure about including Beasley.