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lipoli390 wrote:
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"A defender, shooter who can play a versatile role for us and brings energy, brings defense," Rosas said of Prince. "The combination of him and Jarred at the four excites us. We can add some offense, some defense while addressing some of the team needs we have."


I was in favor of the trade last week that brought Taurean Prince and a draft pick to Minnesota, but that's because I liked that we upgraded the backup wing spot with a reliable shooter... I don't like that Gersson Rosas referred to Prince as a four in any capacity. It's the "Josh Okogie, power forward" situation all over again. Rosas is a mixed bag as far as good and bad decisions, in my opinion, but he needs to stop with this small ball bullshit.


I agree with you on the small-ball BS! At his draft day press conference, Rosas talked about the need to get bigger. But he doesn't seem to understand what that really means. I'm guessing that Finch told him they need to get bigger. I guess Finch will now need to explain exactly what that means. I see Prince as a backup wing behind McDaniels (assuming McDaniels picks up where he left off last season).


We're on the same wavelength Lip...

Finch to Rosas: "Let's test your knowledge Gersson: Player A is 6'9 245 lbs. Player B is 6"7 225 lbs. Now recalling our tutoring sessions from this offseason, can you tell me which one would be defined as the bigger player?"
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Q12543 wrote:
lipoli390 wrote:
Camden wrote:
"A defender, shooter who can play a versatile role for us and brings energy, brings defense," Rosas said of Prince. "The combination of him and Jarred at the four excites us. We can add some offense, some defense while addressing some of the team needs we have."


I was in favor of the trade last week that brought Taurean Prince and a draft pick to Minnesota, but that's because I liked that we upgraded the backup wing spot with a reliable shooter... I don't like that Gersson Rosas referred to Prince as a four in any capacity. It's the "Josh Okogie, power forward" situation all over again. Rosas is a mixed bag as far as good and bad decisions, in my opinion, but he needs to stop with this small ball bullshit.


I agree with you on the small-ball BS! At his draft day press conference, Rosas talked about the need to get bigger. But he doesn't seem to understand what that really means. I'm guessing that Finch told him they need to get bigger. I guess Finch will now need to explain exactly what that means. I see Prince as a backup wing behind McDaniels (assuming McDaniels picks up where he left off last season).


We're on the same wavelength Lip...

Finch to Rosas: "Let's test your knowledge Gersson: Player A is 6'9 245 lbs. Player B is 6"7 225 lbs. Now recalling our tutoring sessions from this offseason, can you tell me which one would be defined as the bigger player?"


Lip would demand to know their standing reach before he would answer!!! :)
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monsterpile wrote:
Q12543 wrote:
lipoli390 wrote:
Camden wrote:
"A defender, shooter who can play a versatile role for us and brings energy, brings defense," Rosas said of Prince. "The combination of him and Jarred at the four excites us. We can add some offense, some defense while addressing some of the team needs we have."


I was in favor of the trade last week that brought Taurean Prince and a draft pick to Minnesota, but that's because I liked that we upgraded the backup wing spot with a reliable shooter... I don't like that Gersson Rosas referred to Prince as a four in any capacity. It's the "Josh Okogie, power forward" situation all over again. Rosas is a mixed bag as far as good and bad decisions, in my opinion, but he needs to stop with this small ball bullshit.


I agree with you on the small-ball BS! At his draft day press conference, Rosas talked about the need to get bigger. But he doesn't seem to understand what that really means. I'm guessing that Finch told him they need to get bigger. I guess Finch will now need to explain exactly what that means. I see Prince as a backup wing behind McDaniels (assuming McDaniels picks up where he left off last season).


We're on the same wavelength Lip...

Finch to Rosas: "Let's test your knowledge Gersson: Player A is 6'9 245 lbs. Player B is 6"7 225 lbs. Now recalling our tutoring sessions from this offseason, can you tell me which one would be defined as the bigger player?"


Lip would demand to know their standing reach before he would answer!!! :)


Well, I already know. Prince has a standing reach of 8'6. McDaniels has a standing reach of 8'11. Vanderbilt 6'10.5
Pop quiz for Rosas: Based on that metric alone, which player is bigger?

Prince weighs 218 lbs. Vanderbilt weighs 245. McDaniels weighs 200.
Next question for Rosas: Is Prince bigger than Vanderbilt by this measure? Is he bigger than McDaniels by this metric?

Final question for Rosas is an essay question: How do you define the term "bigger" and does that term means something different when comparing basketball players than it means in other contexts? If so, please explain how and to what extent the meaning of that term differs in different contexts.
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lipoli390 wrote:
monsterpile wrote:
Q12543 wrote:
lipoli390 wrote:
Camden wrote:
"A defender, shooter who can play a versatile role for us and brings energy, brings defense," Rosas said of Prince. "The combination of him and Jarred at the four excites us. We can add some offense, some defense while addressing some of the team needs we have."


I was in favor of the trade last week that brought Taurean Prince and a draft pick to Minnesota, but that's because I liked that we upgraded the backup wing spot with a reliable shooter... I don't like that Gersson Rosas referred to Prince as a four in any capacity. It's the "Josh Okogie, power forward" situation all over again. Rosas is a mixed bag as far as good and bad decisions, in my opinion, but he needs to stop with this small ball bullshit.


I agree with you on the small-ball BS! At his draft day press conference, Rosas talked about the need to get bigger. But he doesn't seem to understand what that really means. I'm guessing that Finch told him they need to get bigger. I guess Finch will now need to explain exactly what that means. I see Prince as a backup wing behind McDaniels (assuming McDaniels picks up where he left off last season).


We're on the same wavelength Lip...

Finch to Rosas: "Let's test your knowledge Gersson: Player A is 6'9 245 lbs. Player B is 6"7 225 lbs. Now recalling our tutoring sessions from this offseason, can you tell me which one would be defined as the bigger player?"


Lip would demand to know their standing reach before he would answer!!! :)


Well, I already know. Prince has a standing reach of 8'6. McDaniels has a standing reach of 8'11
Pop quiz for Rosas: Based on that metric alone, which player is bigger?

Prince weighs 225 lbs. Vanderbilt weighs 245.
Next question for Rosas: Is Prince bigger than Vanderbilt by this measure?

Final question for Rosas is an essay question: How do you define the term "bigger" and does that term means something different when comparing basketball players than it means in other contexts? If so, please explain how and to what extent the meaning of that term differs in different contexts.


Ha! Good stuff.

Perhaps once Rosas graduates from Finch's class on the basics of height and weight, he can graduate to Lip's advanced studies on standing reach!
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Q12543 wrote:
lipoli390 wrote:
monsterpile wrote:
Q12543 wrote:
lipoli390 wrote:
Camden wrote:
"A defender, shooter who can play a versatile role for us and brings energy, brings defense," Rosas said of Prince. "The combination of him and Jarred at the four excites us. We can add some offense, some defense while addressing some of the team needs we have."


I was in favor of the trade last week that brought Taurean Prince and a draft pick to Minnesota, but that's because I liked that we upgraded the backup wing spot with a reliable shooter... I don't like that Gersson Rosas referred to Prince as a four in any capacity. It's the "Josh Okogie, power forward" situation all over again. Rosas is a mixed bag as far as good and bad decisions, in my opinion, but he needs to stop with this small ball bullshit.


I agree with you on the small-ball BS! At his draft day press conference, Rosas talked about the need to get bigger. But he doesn't seem to understand what that really means. I'm guessing that Finch told him they need to get bigger. I guess Finch will now need to explain exactly what that means. I see Prince as a backup wing behind McDaniels (assuming McDaniels picks up where he left off last season).


We're on the same wavelength Lip...

Finch to Rosas: "Let's test your knowledge Gersson: Player A is 6'9 245 lbs. Player B is 6"7 225 lbs. Now recalling our tutoring sessions from this offseason, can you tell me which one would be defined as the bigger player?"


Lip would demand to know their standing reach before he would answer!!! :)


Well, I already know. Prince has a standing reach of 8'6. McDaniels has a standing reach of 8'11
Pop quiz for Rosas: Based on that metric alone, which player is bigger?

Prince weighs 225 lbs. Vanderbilt weighs 245.
Next question for Rosas: Is Prince bigger than Vanderbilt by this measure?

Final question for Rosas is an essay question: How do you define the term "bigger" and does that term means something different when comparing basketball players than it means in other contexts? If so, please explain how and to what extent the meaning of that term differs in different contexts.


Ha! Good stuff.

Perhaps once Rosas graduates from Finch's class on the basics of height and weight, he can graduate to Lip's advanced studies on standing reach!


I'm imagining that every night Lip is importing standing reach numbers from every basketball player in the world. I'm pretty sure he hired someone to sneakily get mine but I thwarted them!!!

I'll say this about the measurements that I would throw them out the window to some extent if the player either had some strong stats like rebounding numbers or maybe clear advanced stats that said that despite them being underwhelming physically that they can play bigger than their size. I don't think that applies to Prince though. I think regardless of his measurements Prince has more potential to be a positive impact as a PF (or SF) than guys like Juancho or Layman because of his 3 point shooting ability. The real question in my mind is if/when Prince plays at PF is Finch and the coaching staff using him in a way that highlights his abilities and helps the team? I think that there could be some effective situation he can play there.

Also the other issue isn't Prince playing PF sometimes it's that the Wolves basically have 2 true kinda big guys in Towns and Reid so there is not many option If they had or added another lengthy or strong 6'9" or taller guy (with whatever standing reach Lip would approve of) it would be relatively fine but that's not the case...unless Nathan Knight surprises which could be possible. I'm only gonna be really disappointed if/when Hartenstein signs for the vet min with the Cavs or some other team that's probably not a contender. I'm kinda joking.
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monsterpile wrote:
Q12543 wrote:
lipoli390 wrote:
monsterpile wrote:
Q12543 wrote:
lipoli390 wrote:
Camden wrote:
"A defender, shooter who can play a versatile role for us and brings energy, brings defense," Rosas said of Prince. "The combination of him and Jarred at the four excites us. We can add some offense, some defense while addressing some of the team needs we have."


I was in favor of the trade last week that brought Taurean Prince and a draft pick to Minnesota, but that's because I liked that we upgraded the backup wing spot with a reliable shooter... I don't like that Gersson Rosas referred to Prince as a four in any capacity. It's the "Josh Okogie, power forward" situation all over again. Rosas is a mixed bag as far as good and bad decisions, in my opinion, but he needs to stop with this small ball bullshit.


I agree with you on the small-ball BS! At his draft day press conference, Rosas talked about the need to get bigger. But he doesn't seem to understand what that really means. I'm guessing that Finch told him they need to get bigger. I guess Finch will now need to explain exactly what that means. I see Prince as a backup wing behind McDaniels (assuming McDaniels picks up where he left off last season).


We're on the same wavelength Lip...

Finch to Rosas: "Let's test your knowledge Gersson: Player A is 6'9 245 lbs. Player B is 6"7 225 lbs. Now recalling our tutoring sessions from this offseason, can you tell me which one would be defined as the bigger player?"


Lip would demand to know their standing reach before he would answer!!! :)


Well, I already know. Prince has a standing reach of 8'6. McDaniels has a standing reach of 8'11
Pop quiz for Rosas: Based on that metric alone, which player is bigger?

Prince weighs 225 lbs. Vanderbilt weighs 245.
Next question for Rosas: Is Prince bigger than Vanderbilt by this measure?

Final question for Rosas is an essay question: How do you define the term "bigger" and does that term means something different when comparing basketball players than it means in other contexts? If so, please explain how and to what extent the meaning of that term differs in different contexts.


Ha! Good stuff.

Perhaps once Rosas graduates from Finch's class on the basics of height and weight, he can graduate to Lip's advanced studies on standing reach!


I'm imagining that every night Lip is importing standing reach numbers from every basketball player in the world. I'm pretty sure he hired someone to sneakily get mine but I thwarted them!!!

I'll say this about the measurements that I would throw them out the window to some extent if the player either had some strong stats like rebounding numbers or maybe clear advanced stats that said that despite them being underwhelming physically that they can play bigger than their size. I don't think that applies to Prince though. I think regardless of his measurements Prince has more potential to be a positive impact as a PF (or SF) than guys like Juancho or Layman because of his 3 point shooting ability. The real question in my mind is if/when Prince plays at PF is Finch and the coaching staff using him in a way that highlights his abilities and helps the team? I think that there could be some effective situation he can play there.

Also the other issue isn't Prince playing PF sometimes it's that the Wolves basically have 2 true kinda big guys in Towns and Reid so there is not many option If they had or added another lengthy or strong 6'9" or taller guy (with whatever standing reach Lip would approve of) it would be relatively fine but that's not the case...unless Nathan Knight surprises which could be possible. I'm only gonna be really disappointed if/when Hartenstein signs for the vet min with the Cavs or some other team that's probably not a contender. I'm kinda joking.


Monster -

I do know your standing reach, wingspan and weight. I also know your vertical. I'm keeping all those numbers confidential to preserve your dignity. :)

I agree that Prince will likely have a more positive impact than Juancho or Layman. The bar can't get much lower than that, though. :)

Bottom line is that a 218 pound guy with an 8'6 standing reach isn't an NBA power forward unless, perhaps, he's a terrific athlete with an outstanding vertical. Prince is not much of an athlete and doesn't appear to have much of a vertical. Moreover, there;s nothing in his performance stats to suggest he's a PF. He's a poor rebounder who offers no rim protection. In other words, he doesn't do the things that you expect PFs to do. I can see merit in the deal to acquire Prince based on his 3-point shooting and veteran experience along with the 2nd-round pick we received. But Rosas seems clueless when it comes to knowing what a true NBA PF is and is supposed to do. Fortunately, I think Chris Finch does understand and I trust that he'll use the players on his roster appropriately.
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