OT - Making Sense of Tragedy

[JasonIsDaMan [enjin:7981157]]

Yes. A bunch of scallywags taking advantage of a situation created by a bad apple, one of "Few".

Since the incident, Floyd's residence almost assuredly has been searched. Where's the printing press and the rest of his fake $20's?

Better yet, it takes less time to to inspect that $20 than it does to type this post. If that $20 was so phony, why haven't we heard? I mean, I know why we haven't heard it's clean. The safety of that clerk and and that owner are at stake. But not dirty?

He choked a handcuffed man. You people want Spielman fired for only winning one road playoff game a year, and Khans is "exhausted" from the Vikes drafting two CB's to replace the two shit CB's they refused to pay, but handcuffed guys getting choked BY ARMED POLICE (excuse me, bad apples) is a part of life?

I'm going to tell you a story from Florida: A while back, it was discovered that a man who used his constitutional right to complain about the federal government was also involved in a large scheme to acquire drugs he was not eligible to receive. The scheme hinged on a mexican woman forging Dr. signatures and then going to pharmacies and paying cash for the prescriptions, and when she complained that she didn't want to do it, he threatened to have her deported back to Mexico. I don't know if she was in fact in the U.S. illegally, and if she was working with her would be its own crime, but I'm sure for LEGAL mexicans getting back to the U.S. after being deported in error can't be fun. When the man was finally caught, they put those extra large handcuffs around his pudgy wrists and took him to lockup, where the federal prosecutor negotiated a plea deal that involved rehab but no jail, and when he was done with the rehab, he went right back to complaining about said government. Yes, some of you brighter bulbs have figured out I am talking about Rush. Compare and contrast. He extorted a woman to get WAY MORE THAN TWENTY DOLLARS WORTH of a very dangerous substance, all while bitching about "pot". The president, who he had nothing nice to say about up to and including questioning his heritage, insured he was treated in an equitable manner and signed off on his sweet plea bargain, and last but not least, although finding that neck might be a chore, NO ONE WAS CHOKED WHILE HANDCUFFED.

I've known all along that the majority of you people were white. Not from your avatars, but from the things you chose to busy yourselves complaining about. This is beyond the pale. A man is dead because another man felt like killing him. A man whose job was to keep the peace. Full stop. People are angry. I don't condone it, but I understand it. And judging by what I am reading on the newsites, the majority of the country, and the entire sports world, is in lockstep. So maybe some of you have some decisions to make. Hey, Khans can always be "exhausted" by Brad Pitt's next divorce, right?

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

Yes. A bunch of scallywags taking advantage of a situation created by a bad apple, one of "Few".

Since the incident, Floyd's residence almost assuredly has been searched. Where's the printing press and the rest of his fake $20's?

Better yet, it takes less time to to inspect that $20 than it does to type this post. If that $20 was so phony, why haven't we heard? I mean, I know why we haven't heard it's clean. The safety of that clerk and and that owner are at stake. But not dirty?

He choked a handcuffed man. You people want Spielman fired for only winning one road playoff game a year, and Khans is "exhausted" from the Vikes drafting two CB's to replace the two shit CB's they refused to pay, but handcuffed guys getting choked BY ARMED POLICE (excuse me, bad apples) is a part of life?

I'm going to tell you a story from Florida: A while back, it was discovered that a man who used his constitutional right to complain about the federal government was also involved in a large scheme to acquire drugs he was not eligible to receive. The scheme hinged on a mexican woman forging Dr. signatures and then going to pharmacies and paying cash for the prescriptions, and when she complained that she didn't want to do it, he threatened to have her deported back to Mexico. I don't know if she was in fact in the U.S. illegally, and if she was working with her would be its own crime, but I'm sure for LEGAL mexicans getting back to the U.S. after being deported in error can't be fun. When the man was finally caught, they put those extra large handcuffs around his pudgy wrists and took him to lockup, where the federal prosecutor negotiated a plea deal that involved rehab but no jail, and when he was done with the rehab, he went right back to complaining about said government. Yes, some of you brighter bulbs have figured out I am talking about Rush. Compare and contrast. He extorted a woman to get WAY MORE THAN TWENTY DOLLARS WORTH of a very dangerous substance, all while bitching about "pot". The president, who he had nothing nice to say about up to and including questioning his heritage, insured he was treated in an equitable manner and signed off on his sweet plea bargain, and last but not least, although finding that neck might be a chore, NO ONE WAS CHOKED WHILE HANDCUFFED.

I've known all along that the majority of you people were white. Not from your avatars, but from the things you chose to busy yourselves complaining about. This is beyond the pale. A man is dead because another man felt like killing him. A man whose job was to keep the peace. Full stop. People are angry. I don't condone it, but I understand it. And judging by what I am reading on the newsites, the majority of the country, and the entire sports world, is in lockstep. So maybe some of you have some decisions to make. Hey, Khans can always be "exhausted" by Brad Pitt's next divorce, right?

I mean your priorities are pretty fucking out of whack to use this situation as a chance to take pot shots at posters on this forum for sports takes when talking about a serious issue in real life. I literally said on page 1 people had justifiable rage and hurt over this issue and you are out here attacking me personally as not taking this issue seriously and claiming I am part of the group who said his death is "just a part of life". I never said that anywhere you piece of shit. Learn how to fucking read or get the fuck off this forum already because you literally add nothing of value here in any of your posts and all you do is attack other posters for their opinions on sports. There was absolutely nothing acceptable about George Floyd dying and that cop deserves to serve a life sentence for being so fucking inept at his job that he murdered an unarmed man who was already in custody. That is not "just a part of life" and should never be considered as such. Cops are not judge, jury and executioner and should face serious consequences for heinous actions such as this one. Go fuck yourself and don't ever respond to another post of mine again you garbage human being. Your bias against me is so fucked in your head that you are literally making shit up that I didn't say when it comes to an incredibly serious event while comparing fucking sports takes to that fucked up real life situation. Show me where I ever said "handcuffed guys getting choked BY ARMED POLICE (excuse me, bad apples) is a part of life". You can't because I didn't say it. Fuck you.

[TAFKASP]

In case it's not obvious I am right of center politically, the following video is by a well known person left of center, one who is clear in this video, and others that he strongly dislikes Trump. I only point this out to say the video is well worth a listen, and not because he parrots my views, but because he presents the actual statistics in a well considered manner. Yes, the video is almost two hours, it is worth the investment!

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[bleedspeed]

TheSP - Thank you for sharing. It was a very thoughtful and worthwhile podcat. My wife and I enjoyed it.

There is a lot to unpack here. Lots of strong points for open-minded people to absorb.

Anyone here experiencing the violent crime spike in Minneapolis and Saint Paul? The stuff the media fails to be reporting on? I have friends that are moving to the suburbs now because of it. Something they have not seen in 30 years.

[thedoper]

I don't know if any of you watched Spike Lee's movie Da 5 Bloods that just came out on Netflix. The movie was interesting but not great in my mind. It does bring up a great point about how Black soldiers served in Vietnam in a huge way relative to their population. This made me have some interest in current racial demographics in military at present. This trend continues now, likely not in as extreme measures since there isn't a draft.

https://www.cfr.org/article/demographics-us-military

Based on military service as a measure, black Americans demonstrate marked patriotism. Particularly when it comes to black women. Really interesting that blacks are being accused of disrespecting the flag, and long list of other violations against society, yet they're bearing a disproportionate burden of defending the country.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

I don't know if any of you watched Spike Lee's movie Da 5 Bloods that just came out on Netflix. The movie was interesting but not great in my mind. It does bring up a great point about how Black soldiers served in Vietnam in a huge way relative to their population. This made me have some interest in current racial demographics in military at present. This trend continues now, likely not in as extreme measures since there isn't a draft.

https://www.cfr.org/article/demographics-us-military

Based on military service as a measure, black Americans demonstrate marked patriotism. Particularly when it comes to black women. Really interesting that blacks are being accused of disrespecting the flag, and long list of other violations against society, yet they're bearing a disproportionate burden of defending the country.

The military is not an unusual path for many folks that come from middle/working class backgrounds, as college is often unaffordable or unappealing. To me, anyone that serves the country is a patriot and deserves respect, no matter what their color is.

I'm more interested in your second point. Where is it that people are accusing blacks in general for disrespecting the flag and what is the long list of other violations that people (other than overt racists) are singling out blacks for? Yes, some athletes have decided to kneel during the national anthem, but I'm not aware of this being a generalized phenomena.

[thedoper]

I don't know if any of you watched Spike Lee's movie Da 5 Bloods that just came out on Netflix. The movie was interesting but not great in my mind. It does bring up a great point about how Black soldiers served in Vietnam in a huge way relative to their population. This made me have some interest in current racial demographics in military at present. This trend continues now, likely not in as extreme measures since there isn't a draft.

https://www.cfr.org/article/demographics-us-military

Based on military service as a measure, black Americans demonstrate marked patriotism. Particularly when it comes to black women. Really interesting that blacks are being accused of disrespecting the flag, and long list of other violations against society, yet they're bearing a disproportionate burden of defending the country.

The military is not an unusual path for many folks that come from middle/working class backgrounds, as college is often unaffordable or unappealing. To me, anyone that serves the country is a patriot and deserves respect, no matter what their color is.

I'm more interested in your second point. Where is it that people are accusing blacks in general for disrespecting the flag and what is the long list of other violations that people (other than overt racists) are singling out blacks for? Yes, some athletes have decided to kneel during the national anthem, but I'm not aware of this being a generalized phenomena.

I think since black people have been speaking up as collective organizations (from the NAACP to Black Lives Matter) there has been a wealth of rhetoric against them. Watching Fox news for an hour and hear BLM being described as a terrorist organization. Here is the head of the Minneapolis police union doing just that:

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/minneapolis-police-union-head-defends-calling-black-lives-matter-a-terrorist-organization/

Is he an overt racist? Maybe not. But certainly drawing any connecting line between Osama Bin Laden and Black Lives Matter beyond being ridiculous is clearly an affirmation of a generalized phenomena and a growing false and problematic rhetoric.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

I think there is a difference between speaking out against an organization and its proposals and remedies (or a portion of their proposals and remedies) versus speaking out against blacks. I would submit that not all blacks are on board with everything BLM stands for and believes in. Same with the NAACP.

I'm not a fan of public unions, so a union boss using hyperbole is totally unsurprising to me. They are part of the problem and liberal governance has enabled them.

And Fox is Fox...of course they are going to speak out against BLM because BLM goals align almost uniformly with the progressive left and Fox is aligned to the Republican party. Good faith conservatives (not saying there are many on Fox, which exists to generate outrage and ratings, just like CNN and MSNBC) actually believe they have solutions that can help racial inequality.

[thedoper]

I think there is a difference between speaking out against an organization and its proposals and remedies (or a portion of their proposals and remedies) versus speaking out against blacks. I would submit that not all blacks are on board with everything BLM stands for and believes in. Same with the NAACP.

I'm not a fan of public unions, so a union boss using hyperbole is totally unsurprising to me. They are part of the problem and liberal governance has enabled them.

And Fox is Fox...of course they are going to speak out against BLM because BLM goals align almost uniformly with the progressive left and Fox is aligned to the Republican party. Good faith conservatives (not saying there are many on Fox, which exists to generate outrage and ratings, just l, like CNN and MSNBC) actually believe they have solutions that can help racial inequality.

I think there could be a difference in a healthy conversation with good ground rules, but unfortunately these news organizations and powerful problematic groups like unions are a manifestation of who we are and make it difficult to create healthy conversations. It's too convenient to hide behind this type of statement for the dysfunction of an organzation like a union or a news organization and say it has nothing to do with public sentiment. These statements are made to appease public sentiment. Yes BLM or the NAACP shouldn't be expected to speak for all black issues or for all black people, but I don't know any black people personally who disagree with BLM (and I know quite a few from this perspective) that think it is beneficial to call BLM terrorists.

[AbeVigodaLive]

I don't know if any of you watched Spike Lee's movie Da 5 Bloods that just came out on Netflix. The movie was interesting but not great in my mind. It does bring up a great point about how Black soldiers served in Vietnam in a huge way relative to their population. This made me have some interest in current racial demographics in military at present. This trend continues now, likely not in as extreme measures since there isn't a draft.

https://www.cfr.org/article/demographics-us-military

Based on military service as a measure, black Americans demonstrate marked patriotism. Particularly when it comes to black women. Really interesting that blacks are being accused of disrespecting the flag, and long list of other violations against society, yet they're bearing a disproportionate burden of defending the country.

The military is not an unusual path for many folks that come from middle/working class backgrounds, as college is often unaffordable or unappealing. To me, anyone that serves the country is a patriot and deserves respect, no matter what their color is.

I'm more interested in your second point. Where is it that people are accusing blacks in general for disrespecting the flag and what is the long list of other violations that people (other than overt racists) are singling out blacks for? Yes, some athletes have decided to kneel during the national anthem, but I'm not aware of this being a generalized phenomena.

I think since black people have been speaking up as collective organizations (from the NAACP to Black Lives Matter) there has been a wealth of rhetoric against them. Watching Fox news for an hour and hear BLM being described as a terrorist organization. Here is the head of the Minneapolis police union doing just that:

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/minneapolis-police-union-head-defends-calling-black-lives-matter-a-terrorist-organization/

Is he an overt racist? Maybe not. But certainly drawing any connecting line between Osama Bin Laden and Black Lives Matter beyond being ridiculous is clearly an affirmation of a generalized phenomena and a growing false and problematic rhetoric.

Bob Kroll could be an overt racist.

Never been a fan of his... I thought the former union head, John Delmonico, was a better person even if he also erred on the side of protecting his boys at every turn, too.