AbeVigodaLive wrote:Any preseason optimism was from conjecture.
Any pessimism right now is from actual performance.
Which one carries more weight?
[Note: Again, it's not impossible for the Wolves to improve with 87% of the season remaining... but it's more likely that the Wolves are closer to what we're seeing than what many predicted they would be.]
Yep gotta agree. The only offseason moves were for guys like Prince and Beverely and expectations rose based on those two moves. Seems ridiculous now. If we expected this team to be better based on a 10 wins / 14 loss stretch to end the season last year ( disregarding the other 50 games) then I think it's fair to see this team for what it is now going 3-7.
Many people thought the coach mattered as well. It was all Ryans fault. Finch was going to be the difference maker.
As of now, we are actually worse. It's still a long season though so I doubt this pathetic start holds all year.
Wolves now on pace for 24 wins.
Is that why the Lego man is a teacher now instead of Assistant or Head Coach somewhere?
It's a players league. Coaching doesn't matter all that much. Give me Giannis before Popavich.
I think my point was that Saunders was so inept he's not even in the league anymore.
Obviously I take Giannis over Pop but you can't look me in the face and tell me with this roster that Pop wouldn't have this team at least in the playoffs.
Edit: Also if a coach can't help win games he can sure help lose them. This is what I Complained about Saunders the most about. His rotational awareness was so bad that it was effecting the team.
I criticize finch this with Doper in the Memphis game saying there was no reason for Naz not to be in the game. I have no doubt in my mind if Naz was in the game we win that game instead of blowing it. I think Finch contributed them losing that game as much as Mcdaniels missing a point blank lay up did.
Naz can't guard Morant. Neither can DLO, Bease and probably not Ant. Run a 3-2 zone maybe, leave him open for a 3P? Maybe. I mean his most dangerous at the rim getting easy buckets.
So that's why JO was in the game. Despite being terrible on offense he is pretty good at slowing down guys like Ja.
It's purely speculation at best that the team would have won a ton more games with Finch all last year then Ryan. The team was majorly injured. Ant started the year raw and got better throughout the year.
I would say Pop could be one coach who could maybe get a guy like KAT to improve his weaknesses. We've seen a half dozen come in here with no change. Pop could possible get through to guys where 99% of coaches can't.
Eventually you simply have to blame the players, not the coach for not winning.
I'm simply saying there is little difference between Ryan and Finch and 90% of other NBA coaches. It's nearly all on the players to win or lose.
As far as Ryan not in the NBA. Not that many jobs to go around. It's not surprising.
Naz should've been for Mcdaniels to help with spacing which was the problem in the final 6 mins of that game. JO could've still been in to guard Morant.
Well just have to agree to disagree. But Ryan Saunders cost this team at least 5 games with bonehead rotations and not knowing what to do at the end of games with late substitutions and timeouts.
As for his Job there are Ton of schools out there and ton of assistant jobs. He got jobs cause of his father was not because of his basketball knowledge. These coaches at the NBA level are a fraternity and look out for each other and not one team said hey come sit at the end of my bench.
I have 5 years of Girls Varsity assistant basketball at a charter school in MN under my belt now. I should call the wolves and tell them to hire me for a fraction of the price. Since it doesn't matter who the coach is.
I thought Jaden fouled out and JO got subbed in. So you would have subbed in both Naz and JO? Naz isn't even a good defender though. Was Vandy in the game? I thought it was DLO/KAT/Ant/Beas and JO lineup.
I'm saying between NBA headcoaches it doesn't matter much. Ryan did have like 10 years in the NBA before getting the job, he was not just a HS coach.
Players are the ones we should be focusing on, versus the coach. Like I said I only maybe a coach like Pop could make a difference with some of our players like KAT and DLO. These guys have has a dozen HC's and not grown much as players.
I'm fairly confident we would have the same record if Coolbreeze was the HC. (No offense cool, might be a compliment actually). lol
Our old friend Kelan Martin is the latest example of the "Wolves Performance Discount" affect. Remember that he was one of our promising Summer League/G-League players a couple seasons ago? He had a sweet looking stroke in those contexts. Once with the Big League team though? Shot 26% from 3 over his 500 minutes played. Pppppffffffft.
Goes to Indiana last season. Since then, he's shot 43% on 3's in 400 minutes played! Of course he has!
I can go on and cite players with much larger sample sizes, but it makes me wonder how a guy like Jaylen Nowell (another one of our G-League darlings that can't fucking make 3's with the Wolves - career 30% shooter with us) will shoot when he eventually moves to a different team. I would be willing to bet a substantial amount of money that he easily exceeds that percentage within a few games and it will stay that way. He'd be a 37%+ 3-ball shooter on any other team.
Vegas originally set the line for the Wolves at 33.5 wins. They're 33 games into the season with 16 wins under their belt.
That means that Minnesota would have to go 18-31 (.367) or better over the remaining 49 games to hit the over. Betters who had faith should feel pretty good right now!
Well, Jester and FNG can now join the rest of us in the losers club!
Nooooo! This morning I'm announcing that I have hired Rudy Guiliani to represent me in the recount process. This thread is a hoax, and everyone here knows I am the actual winner.
Well, Jester and FNG can now join the rest of us in the losers club!
Nooooo! This morning I'm announcing that I have hired Rudy Guiliani to represent me in the recount process. This thread is a hoax, and everyone here knows I am the actual winner.
Wolves will need to finish 10-7 over their final 17 games of the season to hit my 46-win projection, which I share with Crazy and Sab. I'm feeling pretty confident in my prediction right now. And I'd be sorely disappointed by anything less than a 10-7 finish.
I'd love to see the Wolves go 14-3, which would hit SP's 50-win prediction. Even better if they finish 15-2, which would give our perennial opTimist some well deserved and long overdue vindication.
There are some on this board who are looking really bad right now. The prediction thread Hall of Shame awaits the likes of FNG, Q, Jester and some others. Abe has been in the Hall of Shame in multiple categories for years, so nothing new there. :) I'll be talking (posting) trash for a while in this thread. I just hope no one finds and posts prediction threads from prior season when I might not have been quite as prescient. :)
lipoli390 wrote:Wolves will need to finish 10-7 over their final 17 games of the season to hit my 46-win projection, which I share with Crazy and Sab. I'm feeling pretty confident in my prediction right now. And I'd be sorely disappointed by anything less than a 10-7 finish.
I'd love to see the Wolves go 14-3, which would hit SP's 50-win prediction. Even better if they finish 15-2, which would give our perennial opTimist some well deserved and long overdue vindication.
There are some on this board who are looking really bad right now. The prediction thread Hall of Shame awaits the likes of FNG, Q, Jester and some others. Abe has been in the Hall of Shame in multiple categories for years, so nothing new there. :) I'll be talking (posting) trash for a while in this thread. I just hope no one finds and posts prediction threads from prior season when I might not have been quite as prescient. :)
Go ahead and taunt all you want, lip, but after the recount is completed, we will see who has the last laugh. I have detected multiple instances of fraudulent activity, and am confident that when the process has been fully audited, the true winners will be revealed.
lipoli390 wrote:Wolves will need to finish 10-7 over their final 17 games of the season to hit my 46-win projection, which I share with Crazy and Sab. I'm feeling pretty confident in my prediction right now. And I'd be sorely disappointed by anything less than a 10-7 finish.
I'd love to see the Wolves go 14-3, which would hit SP's 50-win prediction. Even better if they finish 15-2, which would give our perennial opTimist some well deserved and long overdue vindication.
There are some on this board who are looking really bad right now. The prediction thread Hall of Shame awaits the likes of FNG, Q, Jester and some others. Abe has been in the Hall of Shame in multiple categories for years, so nothing new there. :) I'll be talking (posting) trash for a while in this thread. I just hope no one finds and posts prediction threads from prior season when I might not have been quite as prescient. :)
Go ahead and taunt all you want, lip, but after the recount is completed, we will see who has the last laugh. I have detected multiple instances of fraudulent activity, and am confident that when the process has been fully audited, the true winners will be revealed.
It seems odd to taunt or make fun of 45 and his voters given the current state of the U.S. and what's happening around the world. None of which occurred during the previous -- and much more successful -- administration. Given that the comments were made in jest, I don't want to make this a big deal. It just struck me as interesting timing.
